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    Default Self Tuning - Khyber G-10 (Plugs, valve clearance, spark gap etc)

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    I own a khyber 1996. Recently overhauled its engine completely at home by myself except the mechanist part. It has its first oil change at 1100Km yesterday and i am planning to tune it. I have following query for the learned members/experts

    Q.1. recommended spark plugs for khyber g-10 on CNG
    Q.2. Recommended spark plug gap?
    Q.3. Recommended tappet setting Hot/cold?
    Q.4. Running was on petrol with Caltex Havoline formula and now i have switched to CNG with Shell helix HX7 10-40W (synthetic) , is shell HX7 ok?

    What else should i do or check to get max output and efficiency from my g-10?

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    after-note: In addition to the above queries, this thread also contains info on carburetor, AC, electrical, cooling system, brakes & gear issues related to khyber G-10.

    Special thanks to following experts :
    Xulfiqar, Fas133, Margallar, Ahsanzs, wasay_Ahmad, Xplorer, jz, Daniyal
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    ^^^
    Ok thanks for the input.
    Should I go for compression check now?
    I think computerized tuning centers have this machine.
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    I have a problem in Khyber. Whenever I park my car in rain, water gets inside the beams under the doors.
    Self Tunning - Khyber G-10 Plugs valve clearance spark gap etc -201734

    I have checked it by inserting a finger in the wholes on inner sides of the beams.
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    I don't know from where does it enter there. About 10mm water struck there and there is no drainage also, it vanishes because of evaporation only.
    I am worried about it because the moisture is ideal for creating rust.
    Pls suggest some solution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xplorer View Post
    I have a problem in Khyber. Whenever I park my car in rain, water gets inside the beams under the doors.
    Self Tunning - Khyber G-10 (Plugs, valve clearance, spark gap etc) - 201734

    I have checked it by inserting a finger in the wholes on inner sides of the beams.
    Self Tunning - Khyber G-10 (Plugs, valve clearance, spark gap etc) - 201735

    I don't know from where does it enter there. About 10mm water struck there and there is no drainage also, it vanishes because of evaporation only.
    I am worried about it because the moisture is ideal for creating rust.
    Pls suggest some solution.
    the water might be getting there from front mud flap. to check remove the mud flap and check for any passage.

    If there is any way for water to get in then to get it out put the car on a slope facing down. The water will get out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by speedster_101 View Post
    ^^^
    Ok thanks for the input.
    Should I go for compression check now?
    I think computerized tuning centers have this machine.
    Yes you can if you are interested in actual data/diagnosis. if you do , then do share the results of All three cylinders with pics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smijaz View Post
    the water might be getting there from front mud flap. to check remove the mud flap and check for any passage.

    If there is any way for water to get in then to get it out put the car on a slope facing down. The water will get out.
    Its not entering from there because if there is some passage there then water will get in only when car is being driven on a wet road.
    In my case it enters even if it is just parked in rain.

    Is it possible that it enters through these wholes?
    Self Tunning - Khyber G-10 Plugs valve clearance spark gap etc -201790

    Is not it a design fault in khyber? because most of the 15-20 years old khybers have got these beams completely corroded :-(

    Standing the car on slope does not work because there is no drain on either side.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smijaz View Post
    Yes you can if you are interested in actual data/diagnosis. if you do , then do share the results of All three cylinders with pics.
    Ok, I will go to ENERCON Islamabad for compression test within a few days and will try to capture the pics of their monitor screen during test.
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    Quote Originally Posted by speedster_101 View Post
    ^^^
    Ok thanks for the input.
    Should I go for compression check now?
    I think computerized tuning centers have this machine.

    its a very simple analogue gauge with a one way valve and bleed - not a machine
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xplorer View Post
    Its not entering from there because if there is some passage there then water will get in only when car is being driven on a wet road.
    In my case it enters even if it is just parked in rain.

    Is it possible that it enters through these wholes?
    Self Tunning - Khyber G-10 (Plugs, valve clearance, spark gap etc) - 201790

    Is not it a design fault in khyber? because most of the 15-20 years old khybers have got these beams completely corroded :-(

    Standing the car on slope does not work because there is no drain on either side.

    thats the wiper tray - and it has 2 drains on the sides of it - pour some water and see where it goes - you can also completely remove the panel and unblock the drains and service the wiper system too - this water is sometimes also admitted from a leaking windshield sealant joint or corrossion
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xulfiqar View Post
    its a very simple analogue gauge with a one way valve and bleed - not a machine
    +1, it will look like a tire pressure checking analog guage , the one with a needle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xplorer View Post
    Its not entering from there because if there is some passage there then water will get in only when car is being driven on a wet road.
    In my case it enters even if it is just parked in rain.

    Is it possible that it enters through these wholes?
    Self Tunning - Khyber G-10 (Plugs, valve clearance, spark gap etc) - 201790

    Is not it a design fault in khyber? because most of the 15-20 years old khybers have got these beams completely corroded :-(

    Standing the car on slope does not work because there is no drain on either side.
    Oh I miss understood, if the water is getting in car cabin or that particular area you mentioned while just standing in the rain then it is most definately coming from the wiper tray.

    As Mr. Xulfiqar has said, it has two drain holes on either side (driving & passenger) which lead the water down to the side foot panel from there it goes out on the road from back of the mud flap area. In your case the water is going out of the wiper tray but it is not going out of the door foot panel completely but rather ending up in the cabin. You can consult a good body shop or denter he will clear up the passage. Also get a rubber cap for that hole in the cabin side wall.

    Yes its a design fault in khyber, as my previous 91 khyber had the whole tray rusted badly allowing the water from that outer grill directly in cabin. One can not access most areas of that tray in khyber even by removing the wiper motor in case some thing get pass the upper grills. In cultus for instance there is removable plastic grill on that area so one can get it clean or serviced but in khyber and mehran they had sealed the area and also made it the most crucial chassis area by placing the manufacturer plate there. thats y it cannot be completely repaired if ever gets rust and subsequent leaks.

    Avoid the rust in that area by not allowing leaves or small branches getting in that area which usually do when we park the car under a tree. they block the drain, keep water along with dirt in and hold moisture within longer, A perfect recipe of rusty disaster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xulfiqar View Post
    its a very simple analogue gauge with a one way valve and bleed - not a machine
    I thought its a machine and you can see the results on computer monitor.
    Where can I check my car's compression now?
    I mean, mostly the local mechanics here don't have this analogue gauge.
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    you buy it yourself and use it accordingly - If mechanics had these sort of tools in Pakistan we wouldve had cars light years ahead in upkeep and maintenance
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    Quote Originally Posted by smijaz View Post
    Oh I miss understood, if the water is getting in car cabin or that particular area you mentioned while just standing in the rain then it is most definately coming from the wiper tray.

    As Mr. Xulfiqar has said, it has two drain holes on either side (driving & passenger) which lead the water down to the side foot panel from there it goes out on the road from back of the mud flap area. In your case the water is going out of the wiper tray but it is not going out of the door foot panel completely but rather ending up in the cabin. You can consult a good body shop or denter he will clear up the passage. Also get a rubber cap for that hole in the cabin side wall.

    Yes its a design fault in khyber, as my previous 91 khyber had the whole tray rusted badly allowing the water from that outer grill directly in cabin. One can not access most areas of that tray in khyber even by removing the wiper motor in case some thing get pass the upper grills. In cultus for instance there is removable plastic grill on that area so one can get it clean or serviced but in khyber and mehran they had sealed the area and also made it the most crucial chassis area by placing the manufacturer plate there. thats y it cannot be completely repaired if ever gets rust and subsequent leaks.

    Avoid the rust in that area by not allowing leaves or small branches getting in that area which usually do when we park the car under a tree. they block the drain, keep water along with dirt in and hold moisture within longer, A perfect recipe of rusty disaster.
    remove the wiper motor and plate then see what you can clean up inside - I dont remember new khybers but I also have these grills on my VW Golf bonnet which are above the open mouth (plastic covered wiper tray) - and they have 2 plastic mesh pieces on them - I bought them from a UK junkyard to resist leaves and twigs getting into the louvres - the older RWD corollas had them too
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    From the last couple of weeks I am hearing a noise of khar khar from front left side of the car. The noise is more prominent when the road is uneven and bumpy. But there is no noise when I get out of the car and try to move it up and down. Showed the car to two mechanics and they said that suspension is OK, no problem with it. And I think that this sound is coming from the left door. Can this part be the culprit?

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    When the door is fully opened, it is tight but when the door is half opened, it is loose, I mean you can move it a bit on left//right side. Is it normal or faulty. Please check it on your own vehicles and reply.
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    ^^^
    Sorted out the problem, its the left door which is making that khar khar noise on uneven roads. Also when I open the front door of my car (left or right) and push it up from its edge, it moves up and down, like there is a ply in it. Like the hinges are loose. Can anyone tell me that should I take my car to denter? Will he open the door and will it affect car's resale as in case of dented/repaired vehicles?
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    Quote Originally Posted by speedster_101 View Post
    ^^^
    Sorted out the problem, its the left door which is making that khar khar noise on uneven roads. Also when I open the front door of my car (left or right) and push it up from its edge, it moves up and down, like there is a ply in it. Like the hinges are loose. Can anyone tell me that should I take my car to denter? Will he open the door and will it affect car's resale as in case of dented/repaired vehicles?
    it is common problem in old suzuki cars. the hinges pins get loose. in mechanics term "derwazay ki pinnai loose ho gai hain". The lathe worker will fix the hinges. no repair on door so No impact on resale as such.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smijaz View Post
    it is common problem in old suzuki cars. the hinges pins get loose. in mechanics term "derwazay ki pinnai loose ho gai hain". The lathe worker will fix the hinges. no repair on door so No impact on resale as such.
    Thanks brother for the reply, tell me that the denter will remove the doors and send it to Khiradia?
    Any idea of cost? (all 4 doors)
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    i have question regarding PCV...
    to the air filter compartment,one pipe comes from air filter to tappet cover,n other comes from PCV to join to the tappet-to-air filter pipe..
    my query is the PCV sucks air in,so does the pipe goin to air filter from tappet cover gives out air?
    i m not gettin how they 3 work..
    plz elaborate..ive bought pcv cuz old one gave noise on low rpm like tik tik..pcv valve costed 200 n its kabli,cudnt find new one..
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    The PCV sucks in at closed throttle to reduce emmissions and closes off gradually as you open the throttle blade. You should also be seeing blowby at the valve cover top breather (this is because at idle speed the piston rings are not loaded up and do not seal properly and the airflow into the engine is very minimal) - this blowby should go away as soon as you rev the engine to about twice idle speed.

    I can buy new PCV valves from very good parts suppliers (not the usual jacka$$ shops that only sell whats running and hot) - I also knew of a guy who collected odd bits and bobs from scrap (including, grommets, strange pipes, vacuum pots, PCV, injectors, O2 sensors etc) pack them in small boxes and sold them to workshops as needed - good honest person he was
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    Quote Originally Posted by speedster_101 View Post
    Thanks brother for the reply, tell me that the denter will remove the doors and send it to Khiradia?
    Any idea of cost? (all 4 doors)

    In all japanese cars - the doors are removed, then the hinges are removed from the doors to be refurbished by a lathe shop.

    In some cars the hinges are not removable - those cars have (hinge pin spare part) and can be installed quickly and easily, though not found in Pakistan because the shops selling parts are not actually official parts importers, they buy from other shops in the UAE, China or Singapore - and only buy HOT running items
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