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    Default Strange Noise of Chir Chir in Gear Box of Suzuki Khyber in Winters...?

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    I am experiencing strange sound Chir Chir in the Gear box in morning or the times when it is cold enough outside...But when the Car gets bit warm, it normally goes off...One aspect was that one has to put over level of gear oil...I have done that...But still then now even when i drive the car, it comes in gears too which earlier just came when the car was cold in winter and after getting warm, it normally went out...

    I want to say that i have recently poured Warco SAE-90 oil in Gear Box just a week ago...The oil grade is as it is suggested by the car manual Then wot can be the possible reason of this sound while on drive in gears...?

    Need your valuable suggestions on this.

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    bro m facing same prob in my lets wait for experts....

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    this aint a problem...this is sound of clutch and is perfectly normal..
    when sound is comming try pressing clutch and sound will go away instantly, upon the release of clutch it will come again until car gets abit warm.
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    mAin tE h0nDa hE lAisAn...

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    Actually last season when it came, i added more gear oil and made the level over as i was being told by mechanic that in Khyber and Margalla, one has to over the gear oil level, then the problem went away and i was so pleased...
    But now in this season the sound again came, so i went to sultan ka khou and got open gear oil which was too think i guess and added to the present gear oil level But i was surprised keh the sound which just came only while the car got start up in cold weather and when it got warm, sound went away But after adding the open oil, The sound started coming while the car was on drive in 1st and 2nd gears...I again went to mechanic and asked him to replace the oil wholly and add the fresh Gear oil by (Warco SAE-90) 3 litres oil...Now i am surprised as i have poured totally fresh gear oil (SAE-90 ) which is being recommended by the manufacturer in car manual...But i am still having that "CHIR CHIR CHIR" sound in 1st,2nd gears while the car is on drive...I am sure that this is the same voice which came last year...But why now it is coming while the car is on drive...?

    Xulfiqar bhae, i would appreciate if you could comment please...
    I would also request the other members who had the same issue at some stage...

    Thanking you all in anticipation,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naveed539 View Post
    Actually last season when it came, i added more gear oil and made the level over as i was being told by mechanic that in Khyber and Margalla, one has to over the gear oil level, then the problem went away and i was so pleased...
    But now in this season the sound again came, so i went to sultan ka khou and got open gear oil which was too think i guess and added to the present gear oil level But i was surprised keh the sound which just came only while the car got start up in cold weather and when it got warm, sound went away But after adding the open oil, The sound started coming while the car was on drive in 1st and 2nd gears...I again went to mechanic and asked him to replace the oil wholly and add the fresh Gear oil by (Warco SAE-90) 3 litres oil...Now i am surprised as i have poured totally fresh gear oil (SAE-90 ) which is being recommended by the manufacturer in car manual...But i am still having that "CHIR CHIR CHIR" sound in 1st,2nd gears while the car is on drive...I am sure that this is the same voice which came last year...But why now it is coming while the car is on drive...?

    Xulfiqar bhae, i would appreciate if you could comment please...
    I would also request the other members who had the same issue at some stage...

    Thanking you all in anticipation,
    You know you should never do that. The max level set by the manufacturer is there for a reason. NEVER overfill fluids.

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    same problem with my beleno in winter season.....but i dont think its a serious issue.....just go with it

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    the sound is of the fifth gear needle bearing. The gear oil when cold, its thick and do not reach the needle bearing and thus produces the sound. Check level of gear oil first. If its ok, then i think there is no other solution without splitting the gear box. When i faced the problem in my khyber, i over comed it like this: Do not rev engine at start up. If revved once the sound starts and will continue till warm up. Let it warm up at just idle. Then drive slowly so that the rpm remains low. When on main road you can then drive normally.

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    Dont forget that used up thick gel like gear oil wont help, change it out every 2 years. And always start the engine with clutch pressed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by metalhead View Post
    the sound is of the fifth gear needle bearing. The gear oil when cold, its thick and do not reach the needle bearing and thus produces the sound. Check level of gear oil first. If its ok, then i think there is no other solution without splitting the gear box. When i faced the problem in my khyber, i over comed it like this: Do not rev engine at start up. If revved once the sound starts and will continue till warm up. Let it warm up at just idle. Then drive slowly so that the rpm remains low. When on main road you can then drive normally.
    yes on road in 3rd gear sound vanishes .
    and this sound occurs only in winter season

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xulfiqar View Post
    Dont forget that used up thick gel like gear oil wont help, change it out every 2 years. And always start the engine with clutch pressed.
    so u mean use thin oil for gear ?
    plz tell some grade(s) for gear oil

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    API GL3 or GL44 SAE 75W90 mineral oil - also perfect for your charade application, Any Honda user - please do not pour gear oil in your gearbox unless you like your gear lever to feel like its set in cement.
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    @ Xulfiqar bhae...
    I have already changed the gear oil and replaced that with Varco SAE-90 grade oil...But still the sound is coming...?

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    Your 5th idler is rattling, cant help it short of a tear down and repair. I would never use that "Warco" branded product - its very very dodgy in Pakistan. I have seen 2 to 10 no. copies of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xulfiqar View Post
    Your 5th idler is rattling, cant help it short of a tear down and repair. I would never use that "Warco" branded product - its very very dodgy in Pakistan. I have seen 2 to 10 no. copies of it.
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    xulfiqar , what gear oil would u recommend for cultus carby and rating 75w90 would suit cultus transmission and 3 litres would be exact to pour in ?
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    mobil, ZIC, FUCHS, Emarat, Liqui moly - all sell good products to suit your requirements. The reason small shops dont stock them is price and credit
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    Same awaz coming from my cultus in winter season.
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    @ Xulfiqar
    People used to say abt Zic 75W-85 that it is as thin as water and it wil not suit old cars like suzuki khyber or so rather it is best suited for brand new cars gear boxes...Wot would you say upon this Xulfiqar bhae...Should we still then useb Zic 75W-85 in My Khyber 1998...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naveed539 View Post
    @ Xulfiqar
    People used to say abt Zic 75W-85 that it is as thin as water and it wil not suit old cars like suzuki khyber or so rather it is best suited for brand new cars gear boxes...Wot would you say upon this Xulfiqar bhae...Should we still then useb Zic 75W-85 in My Khyber 1998...?
    Those people need to get out of the steam engine era. Oil is used per spec not by "mota tael se set chalay ga"

    Hondas spec engine oil in their gearboxes
    many european manual gears use ATF

    both the above are way way thinner than 75W85 gear oil. It does not mean that they were crazy to spec it. I have repaired a stiff shifting Land Rover Discovery just by draining out the SAE 140 + grease + STP oil from the gearbox and filling up with ATF - the owner and his driver had also heard, never change gear oil and use the thickest available, When I drained and started filling ATF he was bhai aap ko kaam aata nahin hai - yeh danda gear hai aatometik nahin - to which I told him to sit down and be quiet. Once I was done I drove the truck with him for 40 kms. The problem had rectified itself, the reason to drive so long was to show him that the gear is not siezing or doing anything stupid what he was fearing from the thin ATF.

    Using a super thick oil will cause damage as it cannot move fast enough in the gears and will also churn due to added friction and heat up. So please use the correct spec if you want reliable service.
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    so it means that i can use zic 75w-85 in my Khyber comfortably irrespective of the extream thinness of this oil...?
    2ndly as per your latest reply, it will be childish to think in this way that as if oil is thin, it would not really help for old cars like khyber etc...?

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    the viscosity of oil is dictated by the manufacturer to match the specific requirements as they actually designed it too - they did not do it on wild guess
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