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# Thread: Installation of CNG HTBRID SYSTEM in Suzuki Liana 2006 model

1. ## Installation of CNG HYBRID SYSTEM in Suzuki Liana 2006 model

Suzuki Liana 2006 original engined swapped with 5a-fe 1.6 corolla engine

picture's and test log's of CNG HYBRID SYSTEM are detailed below.
front view

engine bay

control panel of CNG HYBRID SYSTEM

new control panel
pictures are on page no 8

test result's
Suzuki Liana 2006
Log's And test Result's

Vehicle Fuel Average on Petrol is 10 km/L on long Route's Max
CNG Cylinder's Average on long route's is 150 km max as per our customer knowledge.

But when we check it's economy it was 110 km on full CNG tank.

The fuel price now a day's price of petrol is approx 103rs / L

Average Cost Calculation of petrol per km is 103rs / 10 km = 10.3 rs / Km

CNG Cylinder is filled in 700 rs

Average Cost Calculation of CNG per Km is 700 rs / 110 km = 6.363 rs / Km

After the installation of CNG hybrid System in this vehicle the petrol fuel was leaned out to 300 % ( leaned out ? petrol kam kar diya ).

Millage of petrol jumps from 10 km /L to 80 km /L which was 700% result.
Note : Please Read the detail log of test run to better understand this system.

It was an amazing experience with us that we were commanding the vehicle ECU to lean the fuel mixture to 300 % but the output was 700% we than tested the vehicle at this mode in a liter it gave us 80 km approximately but the CNG consumption was very high in this setting mode. So i decided to readjust the fuel mixture and decided to start from 50 % leaning. After several hour's of readjustment of fuel mixture we stabled it to 75% but again the result was 320 % and it gave us 40 km in a liter and the CNG consumption was better from the previous setting's. We drained all of the fuel from the fuel tank and started our test drive we filled only 3 liter of fuel in the tank to check the average of petrol once again on Factory setting the 3 liters ended on total 27 km distance from Chahsultan to Tarnol via Kashmir highway route. We filled it again with 5 liter and started our journey to Lawrence pur in the way we filled more 5 liter fuel for ease ( not to disrupt our journey) after reaching lawrance pur we came to know that CNG is available in Jandiyan chowk on route to Ghazi brotha which is 13 km from the main GT road. we filled our CNG tank from GHAZI CNG station in jhandiyan chowk. The pressure was bit low 120 bar's max total CNG tank filled in 500 rs.
My mechanic again drained all of the petrol from the tank to test the vehicle milage now with CNG HYBRID SYSTEM. We filled only 2 liter's of the fuel in the tank and started our journey to nowshera the 2 liter petrol ended on 83.4 km on the trip meter one thing i forgot to mention here our speed on GT road was max 140 km and normal 100km . We again refiled the petrol 2 liter's more and it lasts up to 80 km. The total distance we traveled from the CNG station to Nowshehra and back to pindi was 267 km and total petrol we filled in this distance was 6.67 liter's approx and the CNG cylinder still had 60 bar gas in it and according to our calculation the fully filled CNG cylinder in this car will last up to 433km on long route's and local route's calculation will be updated in few day's InshaAllah.
Here are the result's

We traveled total 267 km from the GAS station in Ghazi and the total distancewhich was showed on trip meter. And the total fuel consumed by this vehicle was 686.7 rs petrol + 310 rs CNG = 997 rs in 267 km distance.

Total cost average calculation
total Distance travelled 267 km + - 2 km
Total cost of fuel's consumed in 267km is : 997 rs

997 Rs / 267 km = 3.73 Rs/km.

If this trip is compared to other fuel's cost's

On Petrol total cost in 267 km are : Rs 3055.6667 Rs
On CNG total cost in 267 km are : Rs 1699.0909 Rs

Total saving in these trip's as compared to other fuel's are below.

PETROL:
3055 Rs - 997 Rs = 2058 Rs saved total 67.3 % saved as compared to Petrol price.

CNG :

1699 Rs - 997 Rs = 702 Rs saved total 41.7 % Saved as compared to CNG price.

NOTE: Another Advantage of our CNG HYBRID SYSTEM IS there is no harm to the vehicle engine at all as compared to CNG if we run an vehicle engine completely on CNG.

More Result's will be posted soon due to the shortage of time we cannot take the picture's and write up the test log's of the vehicle completed by our team.
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And one more important thing to mention here that no filling's need in the whole way and no speed limitation's to follow to get economy. As people says I drive at 60km/h and get 14 km/l and if he drives at 120 km/h he will get 10km/l or 9 km/l no limitation at all.

another advantage of our system is .there is no harm to the vehicle engine at all as compared if we run an vehicle engine completely on CNG.

Mod Edit: Closing thread. It has fulfilled its purpose.

2. Originally Posted by hameeds01
new invention of hameed and he is testing it lolzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

3. atta1111's Rocket Science

4. Originally Posted by atta1111
the phone no of the claimer is mentioned in the picture why dont you give it a call and tell us that it was fake
The Fuel less Engine Plans (1-350 hp )........Only \$70.00

Man \$70 is nothing for free energy, y dont u go for Fuel less Engine???

5. Originally Posted by atta1111
Assalam O alikum Booby saab you had getted nearer to our device and methord's used in our system yes we intercept the signal's generated from the ecu which are providing command's to different system's ( IGNITION, INJECTION PULSING , Total WDA ) then by interfering these signal's i modify these according to my demand's and then we test the whole vehicle on road to get the result's. You can say it is a piggy back ecu Type thing but it is designed for both of these fuel's to get economy and yet with limited resources I had designed it and improving it day by day. In some cases we had to go through to modify the input sensor's also but ussally we prefer to intercept the signal's generated from the ecu to reduce the onboard Diagnosis system complication's which in some cases can light up the check engine and return to fail safe operation map. that's it plz ask any more question so i can briefly clear out your concept of my system.
Regard's
Atta-Ur-Rehman
0311-5135516
Dude can u plz shed some light on how u guys r playing with Fuel/Ignition lookup Tables?? Do u hav any dynamometer stuff in ur wrkshp?? by altering jst the sensors value its almost impossible to lean out fuel without anecdotal the Ignition timings

6. runs on grass and water.

7. simple yarrr

Suppose:
you can drive 20km/kg on cng
10km/l on petrol

Petrol : CNG
if petrol cng ratio is 1L : 1KG
1L PETROL + 1KG CNG will go (20*1)+(10*1)= 20+10=30km

Max Millage that can achived:
Petrol:CNG
if petrol cng ratio is 0 L : 1KG

0L PETROL + 2kg CNG will go (20*2)+(10*0)= 40 km max if no petrol is used

TS is calming that by combining there is some supernatural reaction after that output>input lolx

8. IMO:

Hameed = Arrogant NUSTIAN that learns a few bits & thinks he has aql-e qul... SENIOR ENGINEOOOR.. "The more a person knows, the more humble he becomes!!!"

Atta = Something fishy for sure (system does not seam as efficient as claimed plus you will end up messing up your car. Though the system is not impossible or something super-natural as posed by SENIOR ENGINEOOOR but not as much benificial also as claimed). Everything is as per laws of thermodynamics but Mr. Atta is trying to make business by playing with words. I won't call him as a complete fraud but there isn't any super cost saving.

In simple words, Pehle ager ap 1 week mei pehle 4 din CNG ka aik tank aur aglay 3 din mei Patrol k 10 liter use krte thay to ye system lagwanay k bad ap 7 dinon mei CNG ka aik tank aur Patrol k 8-10 liter simultaneously use karo ge... Farq ye hai k dono fuel sath sath use honge... That's it.... But is 1-2 liter patrol ko bachanay k lye ap Car ki wiring ka jo hashar karo ge wo ap ko bad mei pata chalay ga.

Kaha suna maaf... Wrote all this to make things simple as per my little understanding. You guys carry on fight if you like, I am out & will visit this thread occasionally to see any comments from persons who actually installed this system... Goodluck

9. Originally Posted by hameeds01

There is another big stupid on this thread "@Naeem284" according to him "It is possible to generate Free Energy via Fuel less Engine & knows the real magic"
Dear hameed ! please indicate where and when i told you that i know the real magic ? I just informed that people in Pakistan are working even on Fuel Less Generators. If this sentence is irritating you then i seek apologize from you and next time will share information only with people who have interest in the topic. Hope you will cool down now.

10. Originally Posted by Naeem284
Dear hameed ! please indicate where and when i told you that i know the real magic ? I just informed that people in Pakistan are working even on Fuel Less Generators. If this sentence is irritating you then i seek apologize from you and next time will share information only with people who have interest in the topic. Hope you will cool down now.
I personally have met a guy who has designed a kit to run the engine on plain air. Seams stupid?? ... This was his FYP & he successfully did it. The idea was extremely simple that instead of injecting fuel, he removed the spark plugs, made few minor modifications, injected pressurized air to move the pistons. And instead of filling CNG in the tank, he filled plain air with same 200bar pressure & used the kinetic+potential energy of pressurized air to run the engine. Though the system was very much energy inefficient but still it was such an out of the box idea that many firms showed interests to sponsor for the refinement of his FYP

11. Originally Posted by AsadGhumman
I personally have met a guy who has designed a kit to run the engine on plain air. Seams stupid?? ... This was his FYP & he successfully did it. The idea was extremely simple that instead of injecting fuel, he removed the spark plugs, made few minor modifications, injected pressurized air to move the pistons. And instead of filling CNG in the tank, he filled plain air with same 200bar pressure & used the kinetic+potential energy of pressurized air to run the engine. Though the system was very much energy inefficient but still it was such an out of the box idea that many firms showed interests to sponsor for the refinement of his FYP
its 100% possible to run a special Engine on compressed AIR, in compressed Air Technology first u need to spend energy on Air in order to compress it, & then that energy drives the Engine Pistons,

where as @Naeem284 is talking about fuel less free energy stuff,

12. Originally Posted by Naeem284
Dear hameed ! please indicate where and when i told you that i know the real magic ? I just informed that people in Pakistan are working even on Fuel Less Generators. If this sentence is irritating you then i seek apologize from you and next time will share information only with people who have interest in the topic. Hope you will cool down now.

Fuelless Engine Model 2-Free Energy Motor
Hendershot Fuel Less Generator - Ashtar Command - Spiritual Community Network

13. Originally Posted by hameeds01
its 100% possible to run a special Engine on compressed AIR, in compressed Air Technology first u need to spend energy on Air in order to compress it, & then that energy drives the Engine Pistons,

where as @Naeem284 is talking about fuel less free energy stuff,
Dear Hameed ! It seems to be turning in a good discussion now. I was talking about Fuel less Generator and not working on it. Now you have told that you also met such person, who claimed to run the engine on compressed air. SO we both are now on the same boat.
The person is not claiming to develop such a generator, he is just working on BEDINI PULSE MOTOR to develop it into a fuel less generator. Now please, you guide me whether it is possible or not. Lots of Love for you.

14. Originally Posted by Naeem284
Dear Hameed ! It seems to be turning in a good discussion now. I was talking about Fuel less Generator and not working on it. Now you have told that you also met such person, who claimed to run the engine on compressed air. SO we both are now on the same boat.
The person is not claiming to develop such a generator, he is just working on BEDINI PULSE MOTOR to develop it into a fuel less generator. Now please, you guide me whether it is possible or not. Lots of Love for you.
Its impossible to run a motor without Energy,

"energy cannot be created or destroyed"

Bt u can convert it from one form to another eg in case of Compressed Air Engine, first u burn energy to compress Air then tht compressed air drives the Engine just like "Spring Mechanism"

15. Originally Posted by AsadGhumman
IMO:

Hameed = Arrogant NUSTIAN that learns a few bits & thinks he has aql-e qul... SENIOR ENGINEOOOR.. "The more a person knows, the more humble he becomes!!!"

Atta = Something fishy for sure (system does not seam as efficient as claimed plus you will end up messing up your car. Though the system is not impossible or something super-natural as posed by SENIOR ENGINEOOOR but not as much benificial also as claimed). Everything is as per laws of thermodynamics but Mr. Atta is trying to make business by playing with words. I won't call him as a complete fraud but there isn't any super cost saving.

In simple words, Pehle ager ap 1 week mei pehle 4 din CNG ka aik tank aur aglay 3 din mei Patrol k 10 liter use krte thay to ye system lagwanay k bad ap 7 dinon mei CNG ka aik tank aur Patrol k 8-10 liter simultaneously use karo ge... Farq ye hai k dono fuel sath sath use honge... That's it.... But is 1-2 liter patrol ko bachanay k lye ap Car ki wiring ka jo hashar karo ge wo ap ko bad mei pata chalay ga.

Kaha suna maaf... Wrote all this to make things simple as per my little understanding. You guys carry on fight if you like, I am out & will visit this thread occasionally to see any comments from persons who actually installed this system... Goodluck

dear Asad You had not visited our workshop and not yet tested our system so you cannot say that we are playing with the word's to spread our bussiness the result's were tested. and as you say we will mess with the vehicle wiring we are professional's in our work and we know how to handle on an vehicle's wiring loom. you had just sawn the picture's of our first testing unit on the post please visit page 8 for the newer installation thank's.

16. Quoted Mr ASAD about my system price and further device's which we had.

17. Returning back to the topic I was too busy in the past 2 days so cannot update the situation i had ordered 3 HHO kit's which were arrived on monday and both of the kit's were safe one of the kit was damaged due to unsafe handling of courier's. sended it back to the vendor and they will send me a new one in 2- day's.

these kit's are from an popular american manufacturer
A single unit can produce upto 3 liter's of HHo and only draw's 10 Amp's from the battery

18. Originally Posted by hameeds01
Dude can u plz shed some light on how u guys r playing with Fuel/Ignition lookup Tables?? Do u hav any dynamometer stuff in ur wrkshp?? by altering jst the sensors value its almost impossible to lean out fuel without anecdotal the Ignition timings

Hammed Bhai you should visit our workshop for briefer detail''s I cannot explain each and every step of our leaning procedure. As per your knowledge and what your are understanding that every leaning had an limitation. you are correct at that level what we are doing here we are actually leaning out the fuel mixture as per our demand or you can say we had an accurate control on each of the parameter's on which the engine is running. plz call for more detail's and then you can understand and let your knowledge be known by other's also. Thank's
Regard's
Atta-Ur-Rehman
0311-5135516

19. Originally Posted by hameeds01
its 100% possible to run a special Engine on compressed AIR, in compressed Air Technology first u need to spend energy on Air in order to compress it, & then that energy drives the Engine Pistons,

where as @Naeem284 is talking about fuel less free energy stuff,
brother Asad Hameed Man kind is trying to solve the many mysteries and yet developing the new methord's to control the energy conversion cycle's from one form to another and get the benifit's out of it as Naeem284 was saying he is right about the concept but there are also some miss concept's occur's in mind so please dont ask some one wrong try to clear his misconception. I know a whole team in the nust who are working on to build the fuel less engine But yet there should be some source behind that concept also. If you want to know about that team call me and I will let you know about them.

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