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# Thread: Installation of CNG HTBRID SYSTEM in Suzuki Liana 2006 model

1. ## Installation of CNG HYBRID SYSTEM in Suzuki Liana 2006 model

Suzuki Liana 2006 original engined swapped with 5a-fe 1.6 corolla engine

picture's and test log's of CNG HYBRID SYSTEM are detailed below.
front view

engine bay

control panel of CNG HYBRID SYSTEM

new control panel
pictures are on page no 8

test result's
Suzuki Liana 2006
Log's And test Result's

Vehicle Fuel Average on Petrol is 10 km/L on long Route's Max
CNG Cylinder's Average on long route's is 150 km max as per our customer knowledge.

But when we check it's economy it was 110 km on full CNG tank.

The fuel price now a day's price of petrol is approx 103rs / L

Average Cost Calculation of petrol per km is 103rs / 10 km = 10.3 rs / Km

CNG Cylinder is filled in 700 rs

Average Cost Calculation of CNG per Km is 700 rs / 110 km = 6.363 rs / Km

After the installation of CNG hybrid System in this vehicle the petrol fuel was leaned out to 300 % ( leaned out ? petrol kam kar diya ).

Millage of petrol jumps from 10 km /L to 80 km /L which was 700% result.
Note : Please Read the detail log of test run to better understand this system.

It was an amazing experience with us that we were commanding the vehicle ECU to lean the fuel mixture to 300 % but the output was 700% we than tested the vehicle at this mode in a liter it gave us 80 km approximately but the CNG consumption was very high in this setting mode. So i decided to readjust the fuel mixture and decided to start from 50 % leaning. After several hour's of readjustment of fuel mixture we stabled it to 75% but again the result was 320 % and it gave us 40 km in a liter and the CNG consumption was better from the previous setting's. We drained all of the fuel from the fuel tank and started our test drive we filled only 3 liter of fuel in the tank to check the average of petrol once again on Factory setting the 3 liters ended on total 27 km distance from Chahsultan to Tarnol via Kashmir highway route. We filled it again with 5 liter and started our journey to Lawrence pur in the way we filled more 5 liter fuel for ease ( not to disrupt our journey) after reaching lawrance pur we came to know that CNG is available in Jandiyan chowk on route to Ghazi brotha which is 13 km from the main GT road. we filled our CNG tank from GHAZI CNG station in jhandiyan chowk. The pressure was bit low 120 bar's max total CNG tank filled in 500 rs.
My mechanic again drained all of the petrol from the tank to test the vehicle milage now with CNG HYBRID SYSTEM. We filled only 2 liter's of the fuel in the tank and started our journey to nowshera the 2 liter petrol ended on 83.4 km on the trip meter one thing i forgot to mention here our speed on GT road was max 140 km and normal 100km . We again refiled the petrol 2 liter's more and it lasts up to 80 km. The total distance we traveled from the CNG station to Nowshehra and back to pindi was 267 km and total petrol we filled in this distance was 6.67 liter's approx and the CNG cylinder still had 60 bar gas in it and according to our calculation the fully filled CNG cylinder in this car will last up to 433km on long route's and local route's calculation will be updated in few day's InshaAllah.
Here are the result's

We traveled total 267 km from the GAS station in Ghazi and the total distancewhich was showed on trip meter. And the total fuel consumed by this vehicle was 686.7 rs petrol + 310 rs CNG = 997 rs in 267 km distance.

Total cost average calculation
total Distance travelled 267 km + - 2 km
Total cost of fuel's consumed in 267km is : 997 rs

997 Rs / 267 km = 3.73 Rs/km.

If this trip is compared to other fuel's cost's

On Petrol total cost in 267 km are : Rs 3055.6667 Rs
On CNG total cost in 267 km are : Rs 1699.0909 Rs

Total saving in these trip's as compared to other fuel's are below.

PETROL:
3055 Rs - 997 Rs = 2058 Rs saved total 67.3 % saved as compared to Petrol price.

CNG :

1699 Rs - 997 Rs = 702 Rs saved total 41.7 % Saved as compared to CNG price.

NOTE: Another Advantage of our CNG HYBRID SYSTEM IS there is no harm to the vehicle engine at all as compared to CNG if we run an vehicle engine completely on CNG.

More Result's will be posted soon due to the shortage of time we cannot take the picture's and write up the test log's of the vehicle completed by our team.
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And one more important thing to mention here that no filling's need in the whole way and no speed limitation's to follow to get economy. As people says I drive at 60km/h and get 14 km/l and if he drives at 120 km/h he will get 10km/l or 9 km/l no limitation at all.

another advantage of our system is .there is no harm to the vehicle engine at all as compared if we run an vehicle engine completely on CNG.

Mod Edit: Closing thread. It has fulfilled its purpose.

2. Holy Cow 80Kmpl on 5A-FE....!! this is fake

brother this is not a fake you are in rawalpindi just spare some time and see yourself

3. Originally Posted by chaudhary9
hahaha
well in start he mentioned liana but in end he mentioned

still 1.6L car cant get this much average,y prius doesnt gets same mileage then

because posters magical hand didnt touched the prius yet as soon as poster will touch prius it will start giving 300km?/L

brother we also tested our LPG HYBRID SYSTEM in a PRIUS 2007 ISI motor it had 1NZ-FE engine with hybrid drive train it gave us 54 on highway's. still cant contact with my customer will contact him soon and take picture's of that vehicle and also post the average log's of that vehicle.

4. Ok how much KG of gas car consumes when it's gives you 80km/l?

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6. @ALL

The poster is claiming an economy of 41%, not 700%. Please try to think and understand and give him a chance. This claim cannot be refuted without testing. OR I may have completely misunderstood what he tried to say.

As far as I understand, his claim is that he is saving 44% cost when moving from petrol to CNG and a further 41% on the reduced cost when moving to his hybrid system which I don't understand is about mixing fuels or using them intermittently as required.

@atta1111

Originally Posted by atta1111
After the installation of CNG hybrid System in this vehicle the petrol fuel was leaned out to 300 %
300%of what? Please also expain what you mean by "leaned out".

Originally Posted by atta1111
It was an amazing experience with us that we were commanding the vehicle ECU to lean the fuel mixture to 300 % but the output was 700% we than tested the vehicle at this mode in a liter it gave us 80 km approximately but the CNG consumption was very high in this setting mode.
Are you trying to say that you mixed petrol and CNG to get a much more efficient air-fuel mixture. Please use ratios or percentage of complete mixture.

Also please elaborate on your "system", its parts, how it mixes fuel, how the fuel is fed to the engine and the sequence of things etc.

At what ratio of petrol and CNG did you find to be most efficient.

I have yet to understand what you are trying to say.

7. Originally Posted by hasooboy
Ok how much KG of gas car consumes when it's gives you 80km/l?

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only sensible comment I have seen here.

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10. normal 5afe>>10 km/l + ((poster's magical device)) = 80km/l
please clarify that this 80 figure has not units km/l , but 80 km/(1litre petrol and xkg of cng) and please give the value of xkg... your car ran 80 km with one litre of fuel + some of cng.

11. if u could have explained in layman terms that in this setup
CNG and petrol is used together at the same time
so many question would not come up

basically cars without emulators do the same but the ratio of consumption cannot be controlled
and your tests are to find the optimum ratio. pretty cool

12. Dear fello pakwheel member's the question ehich is asked by many fellow member's the answer of those question's are in the test result's please study it again and it's true i am using both fuel's at the same time. the term Leaned out mean's in urdu. petrol ki airfuel ratio ko ziyada kar diya. abhi bhi samjh nahe aaye sada ilfaaz mein petrol ko 300 % kam kar diya.

14. dear chaudhary9 yes of cource the CNG or LPG is the most important part of this system to run an engine on both fuel's on the same time. or agar kisi tarah gari mein CNG khatam hoo jati hai to switch panel mein button moojood hai jis say gari ko petrol factory mode mein laya jaa sakta hai .

15. so u mean this system wont work if there's no cng installed
n also if there's cng installed but either of cng or petrol is finished,n so this means you mix both fuels to increase mileage?

dear
chaudhary9 now you understand it yes we do mix petrol + CNG to get the extreme mileage. and also the saving.

16. poster i will bring all of my car's to you, might you tune them and they start giving 80kmp/l, my vti doesnt give more then 10kmp/l and city exis gives about 12-13kmp/l. As your 5A-FE is giving 80kmp/l so my city should give 200kmp/l? lol 5A-FE most economical engine ever built...

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20. 80km/L................................................. ...............

21. AOA 2 AlL !!After reading so many posts from Mr., Atta1111.... I have some Question?s!!As they claimed this kit is for EFI engines, All EFI engines have electric injectors for manage fuel quantity as per command from ECM,ECM take electronic signals from TPS, MAP, RPM & lambda sensors then ECM calculate the fuel requirement of the engine & send signals to Fuel injectors in pulses,- like injector opening time in m/seconds for one 360 cycle of crank shaft- If we work on Suzuki liana?s engine (M13) its 1328cc. on idle condition without any electrical load on engine the petrol injection time is 3.7 m/seconds ~ 4.7 m/seconds. It?s checked with (Auto boss engine scanner) by myself. So if you are going to reduce the original petrol mileage from 15Km/liter To ??Km/liter how can you manage the original ECM programing,Please explain

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AOA 2 AlL !!After reading so many posts from Mr., Atta1111.... I have some Question?s!!As they claimed this kit is for EFI engines, All EFI engines have electric injectors for manage fuel quantity as per command from ECM,ECM take electronic signals from TPS, MAP, RPM & lambda sensors then ECM calculate the fuel requirement of the engine & send signals to Fuel injectors in pulses,- like injector opening time in m/seconds for one 360 cycle of crank shaft- If we work on Suzuki liana?s engine (M13) its 1328cc. on idle condition without any electrical load on engine the petrol injection time is 3.7 m/seconds ~ 4.7 m/seconds. It?s checked with (Auto boss engine scanner) by myself. So if you are going to reduce the original petrol mileage from 15Km/liter To ??Km/liter how can you manage the original ECM programing,Please explain

MashaAllah bari knowledge hai aap ko agar mazeed maloomat chaheye to mujh say aaa kar mill lein ya apna pata bata dein mein nay 25 april ko karachi aana hai beth kar discussion kar letay hain pata chal jai ga aap ko.

25. Originally Posted by gujar96
poster i will bring all of my car's to you, might you tune them and they start giving 80kmp/l, my vti doesnt give more then 10kmp/l and city exis gives about 12-13kmp/l. As your 5A-FE is giving 80kmp/l so my city should give 200kmp/l? lol 5A-FE most economical engine ever built...
bara gharoor hoo raha hai bhai aap ko PINDI mein hain to aa jaien khud dekh lein aa kar

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28. thread seems interesting...bravo poster that you are still replying with a gentle touch seriously itna koi criticise kare main to sar pan doon :p @bobbylink i guess he is not playing with time instead minimising the fuel injected during that time.any volunteer can correct me if wrong.

29. Hmmmm what is the net cost per km. And the cost of the system. . . Pm me both since I won't be able to follow the complete thread from the cellfone.

30. Its easy to critcise on the internet. Poster is very boldly inviting everyone to visit him. Whatever poster is doing or claiming............he atleast desrves some respect UNLESS SOMEONE VISITS HIM AND FINDS OUT WHAT REALLY IS GOING ON?
I would definately had visited him if I had CNG or if I was intrested In fuel saving. I am happy with my consumption and can alhumdulilah easily afford it.
And people relating unichip with fuel efficiency here..............Unichip is not meant for fuel efficiency........its for performance.........fuel efficency is its added advantage and not its objective.
I request someone ......... Anyone .........to visit him and post reviews here so that either he gets credit or gets lost from here.
Hope you guys will understand.

31. ^ sir ji agreed.. But aap may khudh tu chip laga li hay aur humain economy per laga rahai hain.. Kia yeh khula tazad nahi?? Just joking ;-)

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