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    Default Liana, success or failure?

    Suzuki Liana was launched with very high hopes in Pakistan back in 2005 (started assembling in 2006) .. was also called as the best Suzuki ever produced in Pakistani market. Though its about 3 years Liana is present in the market but somehow unable to grasp the market. Although it offers so much in a comparatively low price tag, the worst quality issues from PakSuzuki are very frequently found in the Lianas. Rxi is the only version which is somewhat being sold. other versions like LXI, Eminent & Sport have seen a tough time here. Competitors like Xli and City are the other main factors.. but even globally Liana's life is too short.. it was launched in 2001 and was 'discontinued' globally in 2006, just when it started to assemble in Pakistan

    What could be the reason that this car (which seems very nice in its package) couldn't do well both locally and globally? or we should wait more and see if it gains its repo...??

    if tc=p then hc=m where tc is equal to toyota corolla and p is equal to paindu, and hc is equal to honda civic and m is equal to moron

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    lol!!! both the model and the car are unreliable
    Hail to the King Baeeeebay!!!!

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    lollz @retro... but if u remember back in 98 when honda city was first launched, Honda made a complete song on honda city, featuring a silver city and amna haq was model in that video, did plenty of romantic shots with the car which were later edited (or should i say censored ).. paksuzuki is just following honda's footsteps by taking amna haq's help to sell their cars
    if tc=p then hc=m where tc is equal to toyota corolla and p is equal to paindu, and hc is equal to honda civic and m is equal to moron

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    she was very reliable back then
    Hail to the King Baeeeebay!!!!

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    lolz!...
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    another useful review at:http://www.mynrma.com.au/cps/rde/xch...002_1000km.htm

    Suzuki builds cheap, practical cars at affordable prices. The Liana mini people mover, which replaces the Baleno, sticks to the formula.

    Value for money

    Pricing
    At $19,990, the Liana is the cheapest car in the compact people mover class. A four-speed automatic is a $1,900 option.

    Warranty
    Three years/100,000 km, which is average.

    Standard features
    You get plenty of gear for your money. Airconditioning, two front airbags, CD player and power windows and mirrors.

    Retained value
    The Liana is new, so has no resale history as yet.


    Design and function

    Ergonomics
    The deep dash cowl means you're a long way from the windscreen; apart from the fact that you can't see the bonnet at all, vision is excellent around the car.

    Taller drivers will use all the seat travel, but head room throughout the Liana is sufficient for basketball players. The instruments are housed in a weird slot-style panel, with a large digital speedo and bar tachometer. Oddment storage space is minimal.

    Clarion audio head units often have too many tiny buttons; the Liana's has relatively few, but they are still too small to easily locate without taking your eyes off the road.
    Innovation
    The Liana's mini people mover one-box styling, like Honda's Civic Vi and Mazda's Premacy, is designed to extract maximum interior space from a small platform, and provide greater versatility than a conventional hatch.

    Safety
    The Liana has not yet been independently crash tested.

    Security
    Remote central locking/immobiliser security and a panic alarm are standard.

    Comfort
    The driver sits high in a height-adjustable captains chair, proportioned for large physiques. The seat is comfortable enough, but quite flat and smaller occupants will get no upper body support.

    Space and practicality
    The back seat is only wide enough for two adults, but has easy access and plenty of leg room, even with the front seats set back. Occupants also sit high, on a comfortable, contoured-for-two 60/40 split seat. There's a lap-only belt and no centre head restraint; the outboard head restraints, like those on the front seats, are too far back to be effective against whiplash injury. Three child restraint anchors (one centre clip, two points which need accessory bolts) are located under the tailgate, so carrying young kids will compromises the load area's usefulness.

    The load floor is relatively small, but adequate for most suburban day to day needs. If you're taller than 180 cm, you'll bash your head, hopefully only once, on the tailgate latch. Like the absence of spots to put your bits and pieces up front, the lack of shopping bag hooks is an inconvenient omission. At least you get a full-size spare.

    The back seat double folds to create a 1.45 metre floor, with a big step in the middle. The front seats retain most of their travel in this configuration.

    Build and finish quality
    Interior fit and finish is average, but some flex was apparent in the test car's body, and a few rattles as well.


    On the road

    Fuel efficiency
    The Liana is very economical, using 6.3 litres/100 km on the open road and 8.8 litres/100 km in town.

    Performance
    The Liana is powered by an all alloy 1.6 litre four- cylinder engine, which produces 76 kW of power and a healthy (by 1.6 standards) 144 Nm of torque.

    It's an economical punchy powerplant. Mid range performance is quite strong when the car is unladen, but fill it with people and gear and, like other 1.6s, you're looking at much slower progress.

    Similarly, while the engine is fine around town, a load requires significantly greater use of the five-speed gearbox. An automatic is optional, but probably would struggle to deliver reasonable performance.

    The gearbox is a bit loose in action, and the 4-5 shift is occasionally reluctant.

    Ride
    Undulations cause some bounce and float, more so when loaded. Both ends absorb large bumps and potholes quite well; smaller irregularities are less effectively dealt with, as the suspension lacks some initial compliance.

    Handling and steering
    At suburban speeds, and cruising at 80-100 km/h, the Liana sits quite securely on the road, has decent grip from the Bridgestone tyres, and is untroubled by bumps. Tight corners induce plenty of understeer and body roll.

    The steering is extremely vague and remote, with inconsistent rack and pinion gearing which often requires mid-corner adjustments. It is prone to being kicked around on rough roads, and on anything but the smoothest bitumen the wheel often trembles in your hands. It is also feather light, so parking and shopping centre manoeuvres are no problem.

    Braking
    The disc/drum brakes are fine, with good feel at the pedal and resistance to lockup.

    Smoothness and quietness
    Engine smoothness is quite good, due to liquid filled mounts. However the tyres generate above average noise levels on coarse bitumen, while some transmission noise is also apparent at times.


    Summary

    The Suzuki Liana is nothing flash, but it doesn't pretend to be the greatest. At the price, it is reasonable value for well equipped, spacious and economical transport.

    Test by Bill McKinnon, March 2002.

    The writer of this report does not necessarily represent the views of the NRMA and this report is provided for you as an alternative to our own NRMA car reviews.
    if tc=p then hc=m where tc is equal to toyota corolla and p is equal to paindu, and hc is equal to honda civic and m is equal to moron

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    good and unbiased report^.
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    @wahaj & newton

    i have heard something from a dealer about Liana engine that its complicated and even paksuzuki engineers are not capable to fix it, they are in the process of being trained and this will take some time. if anything goes wrong for engine then it takes a long time to get fixed, how much of this is true?
    if tc=p then hc=m where tc is equal to toyota corolla and p is equal to paindu, and hc is equal to honda civic and m is equal to moron

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    @lotus

    I didnt get ur point ? its a normal engine and any body can fix it and usually new cars dont have any problem in their engine.

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    @lotus: Been hearing different things related to engine, ECU and CNG, but never confirmed.

    I think mechanics are used to the old engines with carburetors, most of them don't have experience/expertise with EFI systems and electronic components, as some of these require settings via computer.
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    Lianas are also used as radio cabs, and i have often seen them standing on roads with their bonnets open, never seen an Xli like this even if its thrice in number than a liana
    if tc=p then hc=m where tc is equal to toyota corolla and p is equal to paindu, and hc is equal to honda civic and m is equal to moron

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    the question is, is the M13A engine really that complex?
    if tc=p then hc=m where tc is equal to toyota corolla and p is equal to paindu, and hc is equal to honda civic and m is equal to moron

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    @lotus:

    maybe u r right but have never seen one

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    secondly, how would u compare the M13A which is vvt for sure, with honda's L13A idsi used in Honda City
    if tc=p then hc=m where tc is equal to toyota corolla and p is equal to paindu, and hc is equal to honda civic and m is equal to moron

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    Liana is a gud car great value for money. Though it has some quality issues those need to be addressed. My friend has one which i drove excellent pickup for a 1300cc car. and also performance CNG is good.

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    I have seen XLI broken down and being pushed, but not Liana. Liana bumpers become loose and deformed easily, though...seen a lot of that.

    Liana has DOHC meaning more power, IDSI has fuel economy.
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    some info about the engines from wikipedia:

    Liana M13A:
    The M13A displaces 1.3 L (1,328 cc); bore is 78.0 mm and stroke is 69.5 mm. It has a 9.5:1 compression ratio and has two variants:
    one with variable valve timing (VVT) valvetrain (as found in Suzuki Jimny, Suzuki Ignis), the other without (Suzuki Swift).

    City L13A:
    # Sold as a 1.3 in the Japanese Fit and only available with the standard CVT. European version marketed as a 1.4 for the Jazz and City, and available with either 5-speed manual or CVT with 7-speed mode. Use in Australia Jazz GLi (base model) with 5-speed manual or stardand CVT. Available in other markets as well. European Civic 1.4 i-DSI has a standard 6-speed manual with an available 6-speed automated manual I-SHIFT transmission.
    # For 7gen Civic, City, Fit & Jazz

    * Displacement: 1339 cc
    * Bore x Stroke: 73.0 x 80.0 mm
    * Compression Ratio: 10.8:1
    * Horsepower: 63 kW (84 ps) @ 5700 rpm
    * Torque: 119 N·m (88 lbf·ft) @ 2800 rpm
    * Variations: L13A1 (Fit/Jazz), L13A7 (European market Civic), L13A8 (European market City)
    if tc=p then hc=m where tc is equal to toyota corolla and p is equal to paindu, and hc is equal to honda civic and m is equal to moron

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    according to wikipedia, the M13A engines has two variants one with VVT and one without. Liana in Pakistan has vvt or not?
    if tc=p then hc=m where tc is equal to toyota corolla and p is equal to paindu, and hc is equal to honda civic and m is equal to moron

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    @wahaj:

    bumpers deformation is due to low visibility of front and back of the car and the front ground clearence of liana is pretty low thats y it almost hits every where secondly they are soft and if you hit some thing its easy to fix them unlike rolla they broke and u have to change the whole thing.

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    Liana in the US (incidental spotting, picture by Ateekt):

    Its called "Aero" over there...

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    yesterday i saw in Dawn classified, 2 liana rxi of 2006 model with cng one was asking 5.85 while the other 6 lac.. such low resale of a 2006 model car??? one of them was just 12000km driven only
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