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    Default Hypermiling (Getting unbelievable mileage on Petrol)

    Hypermiling
    So basically ever since I posted the snaps/videos of getting 22.8 Kilometers/L and then 23.6 KPL I really think its time to share some of the driving habits I carry with me and learn about your driving habits too and see how we can all get the best mileage we can get from our cars and save a lot of fuel and money.

    How much saving are we looking at?
    Some people may think that the money we'll save this way is so less that its almost irrelevant. Its actually just the opposite. You can save yourself up to 50,000 Rupees a year if you're a good hypermiler (that's like buying a CNG kit every year!)

    If you're really good, you can get Petrol mileage which costs you even less as compared to CNG.

    There are hypermiling contests that take place in the west. People who win that contest have got up to 106 Miles per gallon (45 Kilometers per liter!!) at the end of the contest.

    Some hypermiliers in their daily routine get up to 21 Kilometers per liter in Honda Accord (I have a video of a person who gets this average that I will share) -- that's twice of what Honda Promises.

    My experience of Hypermiling is only with Petrol. But I am almost 60% sure that all these techniques do apply to CNG as well. So yes, you can also get phenomenal fuel averages regardless of which fuel you are running.

    Modify yourself, not your car
    As a hypermilier you must understand that there isn't alot you can do with your car that will save fuel, besides removing some useless load from it and checking tire pressure. The actual modification is in your own driving habbit, I'll explain what I mean by this below:

    How we do it

    If you have a 'real time fuel consumption graph' you will see that the most fuel is burnt when you are accelerating. In Honda City and the new XLi/GLi these things come in built from the factory (you can suggest more cars if you have in mind and I will add them in the list which do have these small gadgets). For a hypermiler these are a 'must have' If your car didn't come with one, you can purchase one that plugs into the OBD port and gives you the milage you're getting.

    Alternately you can carry 2 - 3 liters of petrol in a bottle and calculate average by emptying the tank.

    1. Manual Transmission is the best
    If you're going to Hypermile, you will want to try doing this preferably on a manual transmission car, one with a clutch. Manuals will get you a better average as compared to an automatic one.

    2. Slower acceleration

    The basic idea is to drive calm, less aggressive. If you're going to accelerate, do it slowly. I personally shift gears on 2000 RPM. Accelerating "too slowly" could also hurt your gas mileage. So I think the ideal revs to shift would be 2000.

    In an Automatic car, you should try to maintain RPM at 2000 and leave the rest on the car.

    3. Coasting
    You guys must have heard about 'gliding.' Gliding is something when the aeroplanes are flying but their engine's aren't working, or perhaps they don't have one.

    In cars, this phenomenon is called "coasting." In a MT car (Manual Transmission) you can put the car in neutral when you're not wanting to accelerate and that would be coasting for you.

    4. Drive like you're riding a bicycle
    This really really explains the fuel saving in car. Think as if you're on a bicycle. If you have to immediately go from zero to 20 kilometers per hour in a bicycle, you know that you will get tired very quickly because you'll have to give a lot of energy to it.

    Think of "energy" as "fuel" when thinking about car.

    But if you have to go from zero to 20 in, say, 10 minutes? You will reach that speed and still be fresh (meaning you will have lost lesser energy and reached that speed too).

    That's the same way it is with cars. If you're going to accelerate and do it slowly, you will save fuel and energy and still reach a particular speed.

    5. Avoid Breaks
    Remember that every time you are pushing the accelerator or your'e pushing the breaks, you're wasting fuel.

    When the car is 'coasting' and you hit breaks, you are actually loosing all the potential energy that your car has which is later going to cost you fuel when you want it back.

    6. Looking as far as you can
    As a hypermiler, you're going to want to look as far ahead on the road as you can. If you can see a red light at about 400 meters from you, you don't have to race to that point and then abruptly hit breaks. In Pakistan a lot of times there are road blocks, what most people do is that they hit breaks and stop one inch before the blocks (which reduces the probability of clearing of the road block).

    If you can see you're going to have to stop in about 500 meters, what you do is put the car in neutral and let it coast all the way for you. When the car is in neutral and its coasting/gliding, the average you're getting is about 50 - 60 kilometers per liter. This puts a big impact on the overall average of your car.

    I do this every time I reach a toll plaza on the motor way. People sometimes get passed by me at high speeds and then break right in front of the lane. Since I am slow, I get the chance to choose the lane that has the least amount of traffic in it.

    7. Drive below speed limit
    Within the city the speed limit generally is around 60 Km/h, and on the highway its 100 Kph, and on motor way its 120.

    I drive at between 90 - 100 on Motorway and easily get 22 KPL at the end of the journey.

    Lets us see if this speed really wastes a lot of time.

    The distance from the Peshawar toll plaza to Rawalpindi toll plaza is about 151 Kilometers. If you're driving on 120, you'll get an average of 16 KM/L. Basically there is a huge drop in average as soon as you go above 105 KM/H (I don't know why).

    Now, if your'e driving at 120 KM/H and you have to travel a distance of 151 KMs, you will do that in:
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    151/120 x 60 = 75 Minutes
    If you travel the same distance in 100 Kilometers/H the difference would be:

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    151/100 x 60 = 90 Minutes
    That's just a difference of 15 minutes? Not at all a huge difference? Right? For just the difference of 15 minutes in a 1.5 hour journey, you can save yourself up to 400 rupees per trip.

    So there is just a psychological effect in driving slow. People may over take you a lot of times and you may feel "Arrrggg!!" in the begging, but this feeling ends up as soon as you see the savings you're making. I personally have started feeling uneasy with 120 Km/h. I feel the most comfortable when I am at 90.

    As I wrote, its all about changing 'driving' habits. This is one of them.

    Slower speeds are much safer. You're almost completely in control of your car. Above 120, you really don't know what you're doing. If anything comes in front of you, even with ABS its going to take a while for the car to stop. At 90, it will be much more safe and easy to drive.

    Driving below speed limit also saves you from getting a chalan on the motorway. And best of all, its 'Good for the Engine." Making your engine cry on every trip probably will cost its life at the end of 200,000 Kilometers. But going slow really gives the time for the engine to breath and not over heat etc.

    The theory is that the less you push it, the happier it will be.

    8. You don't have to necessarily turn off the AC
    If the weather is not that bad, cloudy, or you're driving at early morning or evening, I think it is not difficult to drive without AC. Turning on the fan and setting it to fresh air mode should do it for you.

    But if you're driving in the middle of the day, you shouldn't turn off the AC. It does consume fuel but hypermiling is also about remaining as practical as one can be.

    What I personally do is that I put the fan speed to 4 for the first 10 minutes, and then immediately put it to 1 with AC on. When the fan is on 1x, it makes the AC trip a lot more often as compared to higher fan speeds. This keeps the temperature of the car reasonable and you can go ahead with the hypermiling as well.

    Remember it is always the best to close the windows and open it only when it is absolutely necessary. Turn on the AC if you want cold air or use the fan in the fresh air mode. Opening the windows increases drag that you would really want to reduce.

    9. Loose useless weight
    Sometimes there is some luggage inside your trunk that you haven't noticed. Its always the best to remove all the unnecessary stuff from the car.

    Also remember that if you've got yourself a CNG kit, you should try hypermiling WITH CNG and not with Petrol because the cylinder that you have in the trunk is 'heavy' and you're not really going to save alot with that thing still inside the car.


    10. Use factory settings for your car
    The more you modify your car, the more fuel you loose. Putting huge alloys, useless air intake and air filters, spoilers etc. All of these things will hurt your fuel average. Try your best to leave the car on factory settings for the longest possible time.

    My car has 100% factory tires with factory rims. I haven't got it tuned from any one besides changing the oil etc. I didn't let any body touch any other setting in the engine.

    12. Change Air Filter/Engine Oil/Oil filter on time
    Air filter specifically helps. Although when I got 22.8 KPL I had not changed any of these things in the past 5000 kilometers. But when I did, I got 23.6 KPL. So surely these things help. Make sure you change Air filter every 6 months. It does not hurt the savings. On petrol its normal to change Engine oil/oil filter after 6000 kilometers. Don't be miser about putting the best Engine oil out there.

    13. Maintain the momentum
    Another thing you would want to do is maintain the momentum. This is very important and effects about 30% of your fuel efficency. Accelerating and decelerating again and again is a very bad habit of driving. Try to maintain a particular speed for the longest possible time. Again consider cycling. If you're on 20 KM/H on cycling, you're hardly pushing the pedals but the cycle is going at a nice speed. Same goes for cars, they will drink very less fuel and save a lot of money for you.

    14. Some extreme hypermiling techniques that I don't recommend:
    Some crazy hypermilers go to extreme with saving fuel and do a few things that are not advisable to everyone. Only the most experienced people should practice these.

    These include putting more air in your tires than usual. This reduces the drag on the tire.

    Drafting behind bigger trucks. Some trucks on the motor way are going at 100 KPH. Drafting behind them does safe fuel. When you drive behind them, the resistance of the air that your car faces when there is no one in front of it is gone because then the truck will face that resistance and you're car will have to put less effort to drive.

    Thirdly, some extreme hypermilers turn off the engine when they are going on a down stream. Obviously when the car is off and you're going down stream, you are getting infinite kilometers per liter. But this is not at all recommended by me. May be you guys could do some research on this on your own and come back with the results and share it here.

    Some people even remove the spare tire to reduce weight.. again this is one of the extreme steps.

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    This is all I can think of for now. Please do come with your findings and let us all know how much you've saved. I'll be posting a video as well about hypermilers and their interviews momentarily.

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    Where have you been lost Mr. BILAL

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    Quote Originally Posted by cracked View Post
    now BILAL,the man...
    MAN U MADE ME SICK...ima need some fresh air...bhai gari ap ke comfort k liay hoti hy,ap gari ke comfort k liay nae...
    if u want epic mileage,gari sar py utha lo ,unlimited mileage..or better yet,gari ghar khari kr k rozana us ka tyre ghumaya kro,ull b amazed with wwat mileage u get!
    EPIC FAIL bro...thts wat i'd say to ur genius-ness ....there was also another boy who said he changes gear like this...
    2nd on 20,3rd on 30,4th on 40 n 5th on 50 KMPH... i thought he is alone in this world but damn,he got company...LOL
    * he wants to slap but still he shakes his head n tries to b calm*

    since wen did u lost ur sense of gettin some sarcasm???dosent seems like to b lately!

    road anticipation! HAHA
    ok wat else u said..
    leme chk
    ahan coasting till red signals...chalo thts a valid point.ill give tht much to u...i do the same like 1nc in 3-4 times...yeay...full day to write the story n total one line of some sense...UR A GENIUS!!!
    Ab is jahalat ka to koi ilaaj nahi hai.. Tumhari sui udher he phansi hoi hai jidher Mehran walay larkay ki thi ke "Whats the use of buying a good car if you can't REV IT UP?"

    Gari aap ki comfort ke liye hoti hai.. good.. to tumhain 140 par chala kar comfortable feel hota hai? Ya Red light par ja kar gadhon ki terha brake marne par comfort feel hota hai?

    Kiya yar who is this guy?!?

    Aram sae chalao waqa'ee comfort chahiye to, just because you have an immature self that doesn't feel the 'kick' if you're driving at 100 doesn't mean you feel comfortable at 140. It just means you're immature, really.

    Aur again, this is something we have talked about 'alot' of times in this thread.. ITS NOT JUST MILEAGE Or saving money.. its about lowering dependency on foreign oil, its about being environment friendly, it has all the reasons for which we put CNG in our cars, but since some people (like me) believe CNG installation is like a heart transplant for our cars, we prefer hypermiling.

    Eik to tum logon ki yeh choti see aqal money saving par he phansi hoi hai.

    What does this even mean:
    bhai gari ap ke comfort k liay hoti hy,ap gari ke comfort k liay nae...
    Kiya shandaar hawai fire kiya hai.. toh why are people keen about changing oil at time, keeping the car clean, caring for the engine etc? Why do people do all these things?

    Hazrat aap ka demag set hai?
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    Guys: Please remember this is in the Professional section, so ACT ACCORDINGLY.

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    roffl..
    n im actually ROLLING ON THE F-ing FLOOR LAUGHIN,..
    i never said k car rev kro,i just plainly said dont do THE SO CALLED COASTING thingy..
    thts dangerous..
    which part of it didnt catch u???
    i dont drive car above 80,or 100 in rare cases but i dont MANIAC-ally do the coasting...ur thinkin pattern is lyk
    "
    hay my car is goin on 100 now i should get my thinkin cap on,ill coast..hurray..
    n ill put my car to neutral n will enjoy how car COASTS...
    "
    i mite hav short memory loss,so plz can u tell whr i said rev car hard?

    any nerd wud hit the brake on just close to red signal,i dont knw which part pakistan u live,but here v have YELLOW signals before red comes on so any SCIENTIST can knw the signal is about to get red so i can slow up...
    wat a freakshow..!
    now plz DO pick SARCASM in my post b4 literally takin em seriously...

    you wrote n i quote"Kiya shandaar hawai fire kiya hai.. toh why are people keen about changing oil at time, keeping the car clean, caring for the engine etc? Why do people do all these things?

    Hazrat aap ka demag set hai?"
    ppl do it becuz there aint no way out...trust me if it wasnt necessity,no one wud b gettin em changed...
    there r things tht u can avoid n things u cant..
    u cant avoid changin em,but u can AVOID COASTING...
    hope i made my point clear..i tried me best not to get offensive...but if i failed,NO OFFENSE was meant!

    but trust me,the talkin u did,DAMAGH SET HY n GADHA RED SIGNAL K QAREEB BRAKE MARTA HO GA was a bit loud,try keep ur volume down or some will do it for you..!
    REAL men drive manual cars!

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    well u r right.we should save nature and environment.AUr koi bhi 1300cc car 140 pe comfortable nayi hoti bcoz rpm ziada hota ha 4000 or engine ziada sound krta ha isliye 80 ya 90 pe engine muted rehta ha yeh engine ke liye bhi ziada acha or iski life + save money
    Quote Originally Posted by BilalYusrat View Post
    Ab is jahalat ka to koi ilaaj nahi hai.. Tumhari sui udher he phansi hoi hai jidher Mehran walay larkay ki thi ke "Whats the use of buying a good car if you can't REV IT UP?"

    Gari aap ki comfort ke liye hoti hai.. good.. to tumhain 140 par chala kar comfortable feel hota hai? Ya Red light par ja kar gadhon ki terha brake marne par comfort feel hota hai?

    Kiya yar who is this guy?!?

    Aram sae chalao waqa'ee comfort chahiye to, just because you have an immature self that doesn't feel the 'kick' if you're driving at 100 doesn't mean you feel comfortable at 140. It just means you're immature, really.

    Aur again, this is something we have talked about 'alot' of times in this thread.. ITS NOT JUST MILEAGE Or saving money.. its about lowering dependency on foreign oil, its about being environment friendly, it has all the reasons for which we put CNG in our cars, but since some people (like me) believe CNG installation is like a heart transplant for our cars, we prefer hypermiling.

    Eik to tum logon ki yeh choti see aqal money saving par he phansi hoi hai.

    What does this even mean:


    Kiya shandaar hawai fire kiya hai.. toh why are people keen about changing oil at time, keeping the car clean, caring for the engine etc? Why do people do all these things?

    Hazrat aap ka demag set hai?
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    dont ever do in neutral its very dangerous
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    i agree with cracked that car is for ur comfortability and not the other way around. if u really want nice average then here is good tip for BilalYusrat. attach a donkey infront of ur car. i guarantee that this will give u infinite mileage on petrol and on cng also if u r stuck in traffic then it is best to turn off the engine and push the car. this will also save fuel and you will enjoy fresh air from exhausts of 2 stroke riksahws an diesel trucks
    bhai BilalYusrat, Ap ko main Eid mubarak wish karta hoon aur app se yeh kehta hoon keh gaari bande ke aaram ke liye hoti hai. if u cannot afford the fuel then get cng or get a smaller car. it is useless and impractical to do almost all that u suggest (few points I agree with but they dont fall under hypermilling, they come under sensible road driving). and what mubeenshahid has said is true, neutral mein car bilkul free ho jaati hai, and sometimes brakes can even fail if u try to stop ur car while it is in neutral gear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by navidzafar View Post
    Mr Bilal

    What a great thread!
    I couldn't stop myself reading the whole thread in a single sitting. And it answered most of my questions.

    My personal experience with my Vitz 05 is, whenever I fill its fuel tank upto neck it gives low average. But when I fill it for Rs.1,000 it gives better average. what do you say?

    And an other point about Hypermiling, should we switch off the engine at signals?

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    I don't know about others, but I tend to turn my engine off if the signal isn't expected to open for more than 75 seconds.

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    I followed these tips on a 350km track and a city 2010. I surely saved some petrol (AVG 19/20km) however i got a serious headache at the end of the day due to frequent looking at speedometer consumption scale. .

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    Very nice tips, will surely try to follow them.

    And Bilal please stop it with cracked, your better than that. Let him be.
    '3/4 of the Earth's surface is water, and 1/4 is land. It is quite clear that the good Lord intended us to spend triple the amount of time fishing as taking care of the car.'

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    U cam take out best performance from a machine by using and caring it in recommended way, Poster effort is superb in educating driving habbits. In my point of view u can get both comfort or headache from ur car by altering ur drive and care
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    waqastariq,...
    gee well i never tried to b better than him or WATEVER...
    there was a topic in FSC named MOMENTUM..have ever read it?
    it is momentum =MASS * VELOCITY
    ok now hear this,u have 5-6 passenger in normal car,like xli gli for instance..
    u r goin on 80 or 100 speed ..now u put ur car on neutral to get average better,in this way ur riskin the life of all...its a commmon sayin tht the more the momentum ,the more force will b required to stop it,SIMPLE INERTIA YAR>.ae samjh ab..
    high momentum wont stop will just peety brake fella,engine brake is must!period!
    REAL men drive manual cars!

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    i have seen many taxi wallas doing hypermiling when they are crossing a traffic signal they run very slow having a gap of more than 100feet b/w their car and the next car ....jis ki waja sy signal band and another 2 mins waiting at the signal with engine off.....
    http://www.speedtest.net/result/558676757.png

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    Are we finished with hypermiling?

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    I actually have done plenty of hypermiling in my Camry given that it is a 3.5 liter V6. And yes I also occasionally do the three that you recommended not doing. Usually if im far away from a stop light, i coast and if i'm really far away and I know the stop light will not turn green for a while, I turn the car off while it's still in motion in nuetral. Also, while at a stop light, if I know that the wait on the light is more than one minute, i turn the engine off. As for drafting, I rarely take my car on the highway but whenever I do, i drive behind 18 wheelers. But there is a PRO and a CON to it. Yes it's good that there is less air resistance behind a big truck. BAD part is big 18 wheelers generally tend to throw small rocks and grinded material from the road behind them and driving behind them hit's your car which chips off the paint. But usually the roads i drive on are clean. Anywho, by doing all this, keeping regular oilchanges, using high octane gasoline, and an K&N intake (im actually getting better mileage with aftermarket intake), and proper inflated tires, driving at 60 MPH on highway (100KMH), not to mention the 6 speed transmission really helps which keeps me at 1700 RPM at 60mph, I managed to get 38MPG (20.3 KM/L) from a 3.5 liter V6 car. I think that is AMAZING!!
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    Should we switch off the engine at signals? What is the ideal time for it?

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    Great Thread.I already have followed these Steps and have Improved the Fuel Efficiency Of my Civic.Before applying these rules i usually drive on 120-140 and got around 14km/h but when followed these steps i drove around 90-120 and minimum breaking and light foot got around 15.5 km/h from 1.8 Litre Vtec.

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    so today broked the record MashaAllah my city 10 covered 673kms in 26.3litres on highway though i cant still blieve it

    for driving usualy shift around in 3 4k rpms n also touched limiters yesterday.no stupid overfilling of tyres though going wth OE recomended presures and car got Rota light weightrims wth stock euro stars

    New city is simply amazing
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    Great info

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