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    Default Hypermiling (Getting unbelievable mileage on Petrol)

    Hypermiling
    So basically ever since I posted the snaps/videos of getting 22.8 Kilometers/L and then 23.6 KPL I really think its time to share some of the driving habits I carry with me and learn about your driving habits too and see how we can all get the best mileage we can get from our cars and save a lot of fuel and money.

    How much saving are we looking at?
    Some people may think that the money we'll save this way is so less that its almost irrelevant. Its actually just the opposite. You can save yourself up to 50,000 Rupees a year if you're a good hypermiler (that's like buying a CNG kit every year!)

    If you're really good, you can get Petrol mileage which costs you even less as compared to CNG.

    There are hypermiling contests that take place in the west. People who win that contest have got up to 106 Miles per gallon (45 Kilometers per liter!!) at the end of the contest.

    Some hypermiliers in their daily routine get up to 21 Kilometers per liter in Honda Accord (I have a video of a person who gets this average that I will share) -- that's twice of what Honda Promises.

    My experience of Hypermiling is only with Petrol. But I am almost 60% sure that all these techniques do apply to CNG as well. So yes, you can also get phenomenal fuel averages regardless of which fuel you are running.

    Modify yourself, not your car
    As a hypermilier you must understand that there isn't alot you can do with your car that will save fuel, besides removing some useless load from it and checking tire pressure. The actual modification is in your own driving habbit, I'll explain what I mean by this below:

    How we do it

    If you have a 'real time fuel consumption graph' you will see that the most fuel is burnt when you are accelerating. In Honda City and the new XLi/GLi these things come in built from the factory (you can suggest more cars if you have in mind and I will add them in the list which do have these small gadgets). For a hypermiler these are a 'must have' If your car didn't come with one, you can purchase one that plugs into the OBD port and gives you the milage you're getting.

    Alternately you can carry 2 - 3 liters of petrol in a bottle and calculate average by emptying the tank.

    1. Manual Transmission is the best
    If you're going to Hypermile, you will want to try doing this preferably on a manual transmission car, one with a clutch. Manuals will get you a better average as compared to an automatic one.

    2. Slower acceleration

    The basic idea is to drive calm, less aggressive. If you're going to accelerate, do it slowly. I personally shift gears on 2000 RPM. Accelerating "too slowly" could also hurt your gas mileage. So I think the ideal revs to shift would be 2000.

    In an Automatic car, you should try to maintain RPM at 2000 and leave the rest on the car.

    3. Coasting
    You guys must have heard about 'gliding.' Gliding is something when the aeroplanes are flying but their engine's aren't working, or perhaps they don't have one.

    In cars, this phenomenon is called "coasting." In a MT car (Manual Transmission) you can put the car in neutral when you're not wanting to accelerate and that would be coasting for you.

    4. Drive like you're riding a bicycle
    This really really explains the fuel saving in car. Think as if you're on a bicycle. If you have to immediately go from zero to 20 kilometers per hour in a bicycle, you know that you will get tired very quickly because you'll have to give a lot of energy to it.

    Think of "energy" as "fuel" when thinking about car.

    But if you have to go from zero to 20 in, say, 10 minutes? You will reach that speed and still be fresh (meaning you will have lost lesser energy and reached that speed too).

    That's the same way it is with cars. If you're going to accelerate and do it slowly, you will save fuel and energy and still reach a particular speed.

    5. Avoid Breaks
    Remember that every time you are pushing the accelerator or your'e pushing the breaks, you're wasting fuel.

    When the car is 'coasting' and you hit breaks, you are actually loosing all the potential energy that your car has which is later going to cost you fuel when you want it back.

    6. Looking as far as you can
    As a hypermiler, you're going to want to look as far ahead on the road as you can. If you can see a red light at about 400 meters from you, you don't have to race to that point and then abruptly hit breaks. In Pakistan a lot of times there are road blocks, what most people do is that they hit breaks and stop one inch before the blocks (which reduces the probability of clearing of the road block).

    If you can see you're going to have to stop in about 500 meters, what you do is put the car in neutral and let it coast all the way for you. When the car is in neutral and its coasting/gliding, the average you're getting is about 50 - 60 kilometers per liter. This puts a big impact on the overall average of your car.

    I do this every time I reach a toll plaza on the motor way. People sometimes get passed by me at high speeds and then break right in front of the lane. Since I am slow, I get the chance to choose the lane that has the least amount of traffic in it.

    7. Drive below speed limit
    Within the city the speed limit generally is around 60 Km/h, and on the highway its 100 Kph, and on motor way its 120.

    I drive at between 90 - 100 on Motorway and easily get 22 KPL at the end of the journey.

    Lets us see if this speed really wastes a lot of time.

    The distance from the Peshawar toll plaza to Rawalpindi toll plaza is about 151 Kilometers. If you're driving on 120, you'll get an average of 16 KM/L. Basically there is a huge drop in average as soon as you go above 105 KM/H (I don't know why).

    Now, if your'e driving at 120 KM/H and you have to travel a distance of 151 KMs, you will do that in:
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    151/120 x 60 = 75 Minutes
    If you travel the same distance in 100 Kilometers/H the difference would be:

    Code:
    151/100 x 60 = 90 Minutes
    That's just a difference of 15 minutes? Not at all a huge difference? Right? For just the difference of 15 minutes in a 1.5 hour journey, you can save yourself up to 400 rupees per trip.

    So there is just a psychological effect in driving slow. People may over take you a lot of times and you may feel "Arrrggg!!" in the begging, but this feeling ends up as soon as you see the savings you're making. I personally have started feeling uneasy with 120 Km/h. I feel the most comfortable when I am at 90.

    As I wrote, its all about changing 'driving' habits. This is one of them.

    Slower speeds are much safer. You're almost completely in control of your car. Above 120, you really don't know what you're doing. If anything comes in front of you, even with ABS its going to take a while for the car to stop. At 90, it will be much more safe and easy to drive.

    Driving below speed limit also saves you from getting a chalan on the motorway. And best of all, its 'Good for the Engine." Making your engine cry on every trip probably will cost its life at the end of 200,000 Kilometers. But going slow really gives the time for the engine to breath and not over heat etc.

    The theory is that the less you push it, the happier it will be.

    8. You don't have to necessarily turn off the AC
    If the weather is not that bad, cloudy, or you're driving at early morning or evening, I think it is not difficult to drive without AC. Turning on the fan and setting it to fresh air mode should do it for you.

    But if you're driving in the middle of the day, you shouldn't turn off the AC. It does consume fuel but hypermiling is also about remaining as practical as one can be.

    What I personally do is that I put the fan speed to 4 for the first 10 minutes, and then immediately put it to 1 with AC on. When the fan is on 1x, it makes the AC trip a lot more often as compared to higher fan speeds. This keeps the temperature of the car reasonable and you can go ahead with the hypermiling as well.

    Remember it is always the best to close the windows and open it only when it is absolutely necessary. Turn on the AC if you want cold air or use the fan in the fresh air mode. Opening the windows increases drag that you would really want to reduce.

    9. Loose useless weight
    Sometimes there is some luggage inside your trunk that you haven't noticed. Its always the best to remove all the unnecessary stuff from the car.

    Also remember that if you've got yourself a CNG kit, you should try hypermiling WITH CNG and not with Petrol because the cylinder that you have in the trunk is 'heavy' and you're not really going to save alot with that thing still inside the car.


    10. Use factory settings for your car
    The more you modify your car, the more fuel you loose. Putting huge alloys, useless air intake and air filters, spoilers etc. All of these things will hurt your fuel average. Try your best to leave the car on factory settings for the longest possible time.

    My car has 100% factory tires with factory rims. I haven't got it tuned from any one besides changing the oil etc. I didn't let any body touch any other setting in the engine.

    12. Change Air Filter/Engine Oil/Oil filter on time
    Air filter specifically helps. Although when I got 22.8 KPL I had not changed any of these things in the past 5000 kilometers. But when I did, I got 23.6 KPL. So surely these things help. Make sure you change Air filter every 6 months. It does not hurt the savings. On petrol its normal to change Engine oil/oil filter after 6000 kilometers. Don't be miser about putting the best Engine oil out there.

    13. Maintain the momentum
    Another thing you would want to do is maintain the momentum. This is very important and effects about 30% of your fuel efficency. Accelerating and decelerating again and again is a very bad habit of driving. Try to maintain a particular speed for the longest possible time. Again consider cycling. If you're on 20 KM/H on cycling, you're hardly pushing the pedals but the cycle is going at a nice speed. Same goes for cars, they will drink very less fuel and save a lot of money for you.

    14. Some extreme hypermiling techniques that I don't recommend:
    Some crazy hypermilers go to extreme with saving fuel and do a few things that are not advisable to everyone. Only the most experienced people should practice these.

    These include putting more air in your tires than usual. This reduces the drag on the tire.

    Drafting behind bigger trucks. Some trucks on the motor way are going at 100 KPH. Drafting behind them does safe fuel. When you drive behind them, the resistance of the air that your car faces when there is no one in front of it is gone because then the truck will face that resistance and you're car will have to put less effort to drive.

    Thirdly, some extreme hypermilers turn off the engine when they are going on a down stream. Obviously when the car is off and you're going down stream, you are getting infinite kilometers per liter. But this is not at all recommended by me. May be you guys could do some research on this on your own and come back with the results and share it here.

    Some people even remove the spare tire to reduce weight.. again this is one of the extreme steps.

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    This is all I can think of for now. Please do come with your findings and let us all know how much you've saved. I'll be posting a video as well about hypermilers and their interviews momentarily.

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    Quote Originally Posted by misteek View Post
    please elaborate what a turned off engine has to do with the safety, when you are using gears, not driving in neutral
    this is i guess sumthing different
    I haven't experimented that on this New City, but when I had an alto before this one, its breaks would not work if the engine is powered off. I could hit it once, and the next time the break pedal would not press and get stuck. So I had to turn the engine back on for it to work.

    I am pretty sure most cars are like that. I haven't tested this in City, but City's breaks would be even more dependent on a started engine as they are ABS and need much more power as compared to what normal battery could provide.
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    Quote Originally Posted by muhaqpk View Post
    Bilal I must congratulate you. You have written an excellent article. I have been driving all over Pakistan (being posted to various cantonments) as well as in Saudi Arabia since 1983. The tips you have mentioned are not only fuel saving but life saving as well. In our country safety is given the least priority not only by the local vehicle manufacturers but also by the drivers. The gauge of metal sheet being used at present especially by Pak Suzuki is simply pathetic. Air bags are being provided only in top models of Civic and Corolla and consdered as luxury. Smilarly ABS is being provided in Corolla GLI and not in XLI. In the end I will advise the young drivers that when you are on the road please keep in mind that other drivers have the same right on the road as you have. Overspeeding and frequent change of lanes not only puts your life at risk but also jeopardises the life of others. If somebody dies or is crippled because of your negligent driving it will ruin your as well as your parents'life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by misteek View Post
    please elaborate what a turned off engine has to do with the safety, when you are using gears, not driving in neutral
    this is i guess sumthing different
    you turn of the engine..and you get hard stearing and low brake pressure..which can result in accident
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    Quote Originally Posted by BilalYusrat View Post
    Lots of YouTube videos, articles on the internet, personal experience, experimenting with my car. Mostly YouTube videos and my personal experiences. I have posted two of the videos here too.

    By the way, like most of our fellow men, I didn't copy and paste this whole thing right away.. I wrote it down myself: http://www.copyscape.com/?q=https://...mileage-petrol


    Yes Bilal you are right. I can verify that you did not copy the whole stuff. Good effort with adding your personal experience additions.

    For the benefit of all here is the originating article, I guess. You can get all of this stuff plus much more in one article. No need to do extensive research on YouTube or other sites.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rozzzzz View Post
    you turn of the engine..and you get hard stearing and low brake pressure..which can result in accident
    In Mehran that wouldn't matter alot!

    Its steering is hard all the time
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khawar View Post
    Yes Bilal you are right. I can verify that you did not copy the whole stuff. Good effort with adding your personal experience additions.

    For the benefit of all here is the originating article, I guess. You can get all of this stuff plus much more in one article. No need to do extensive research on YouTube or other sites.

    100+ Hypermiling / ecodriving tips & tactics for better mpg - EcoModder.com
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    Quote Originally Posted by BilalYusrat View Post
    He was putting the car in gear while the engine was off?

    I'm having difficulty understanding this part
    yes he was like driving his car but his engine was turned off...he used to downshiftrs to slow down his car when needed...otherwise he kept his car in 4th gear, with the engine off

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    Quote Originally Posted by rozzzzz View Post
    you turn of the engine..and you get hard stearing and low brake pressure..which can result in accident
    it was a mehran brother....

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    Quote Originally Posted by BilalYusrat View Post
    I haven't experimented that on this New City, but when I had an alto before this one, its breaks would not work if the engine is powered off. I could hit it once, and the next time the break pedal would not press and get stuck. So I had to turn the engine back on for it to work.

    I am pretty sure most cars are like that. I haven't tested this in City, but City's breaks would be even more dependent on a started engine as they are ABS and need much more power as compared to what normal battery could provide.
    there is a huge difference between alto and mehran

    in mehran everything is Mechanical, nothing electronic....sometimes the ignition also, lolz

    and CITy is ofcourse not supposed to be driven in anyway with engine off, or one can face a real big problem, electronics matter here

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    Excellent information.

    Drafting, as u put it, is a very useful technique.

    Often on the motorway from Hyderabad to Karachi, the wind is very strong, so strong in fact that u can go down a steep incline and still decelerate!
    No matter what u do, there's always going to be this one dude in a Corolla or Civic who'll push his car to keep up the speed.

    If I cant find someone of this sort, i am happy with doing 80km/h. Excruciatingly slow, but hey, there's little load on the engine.

    If i find someone like the above mentioned, i oblige by sticking to their rear bumper and enjoying their car's aerodynamics

    Coasting is something my dad taught me to do when I am out of fuel, but i practice it more often cuz its actually fun. The car goes all quiet, silent and peaceful :p
    and ur saving fuel.

    Its like that childhood act, asking someone else to push ur swing and enjoying swinging without effort :p

    and turning the car off IS NOT RECOMMENDED since most cars these days lock up brakes and the power steering and other electronics turn off. Highly unsafe at highway speeds of around 100km/h.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BilalYusrat View Post
    Hypermiling
    Drafting behind bigger trucks. Some trucks on the motor way are going at 100 KPH. Drafting behind them does safe fuel. When you drive behind them, the resistance of the air that your car faces when there is no one in front of it is gone because then the truck will face that resistance and you're car will have to put less effort to drive.
    The drivers in indicar and F1 use it to effect (-tive pressure to pull, move out and then speed away). Motorcyclist in PK do it to stay away from SARDI in winter months and perhaps rain as well but I will not recommend anybody to do it in PK for reasons
    a) Reduce your visibility ahead and any sudden brakes by the 'followed' will result in you are stuck in his BEHIND.

    b) The amount of WATTAY (The stones, chips and dirt) those bouncy trucks and buses (even on motorways) throw are good enough to kill you and your car. (I am a victim of half a kilo stone been thrown at my cars' windscreen by the truck while driving at the speed of 20KPH on a under construction road at Kalabagh)

    Coasting, yes I do it but very carefully in gear, ensuring the speed gained is compensated by the right gear.

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    Great work I must say, hats off to Bilal

    BTW, you have great patience to write up a detail documentry man

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    very informative article.. thnks

    i do try the same things with my automatic vitz... but avg is too low (11km/l with ac in city).. i think the CAT converter might be choked... still havent found someone who can remove it for me...

    or the petrol I am getting here in karachi is crap!

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    Quote Originally Posted by liberalkid View Post
    Great work I must say, hats off to Bilal

    BTW, you have great patience to write up a detail documentry man

    Best regards / Asif
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    Quote Originally Posted by misteek View Post
    it was a mehran brother....

    even in mehran brakes have low pressure while engine is off.....dont do this thing..this will kill you

    And for strearing..most of the cars are power stearing or EPS...and in that situation that plays it part..no issue for mehran
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    Bilal bhai.. its a nice job u did... and inshallah mother nature will reward you for your deeds....

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    Quote Originally Posted by BilalYusrat View Post
    I don't think they even have a clue of what hypermiling is. The taxi drivers, high-ace drivers belong to the same race. High-ace drivers are the worst fuel wasters I have ever come across. Useless overtaking, started engine and giving jerks to the car thinking this is productive..

    I don't think they are hypermilers at all.. really.

    The thing is that we need a lot of patience for hypermiling. Unfortunately Pakistanis have none.

    They Do bro!! though not abt tht hypermiling term . Specially here in Rwp, taxi drivers dn even touch the gas. They just keep so annoyingly slow pace. I was told by one that the do more than 200kms on 300rs cng!! Rest u do the math!!

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    wow... this is a great great thread... i wud rate it the best in quite some time on pw, bcuz its about being practical.i loved the way u wrote all this.the best of them is coasting i guess, i ve done it a few times n it really saves a lot of gas... thanx for making such a nice thread...!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by haris_taurus90 View Post
    They Do bro!! though not abt tht hypermiling term . Specially here in Rwp, taxi drivers dn even touch the gas. They just keep so annoyingly slow pace. I was told by one that the do more than 200kms on 300rs cng!! Rest u do the math!!
    they DONT...!!! i ve used rwp/isb taxis extensively in the last 1 yr, most of them dont even know anything about saving gas.some might drive slow but thats just due to their habbits....
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    they DONT...!!! i ve used rwp/isb taxis extensively in the last 1 yr, most of them dont even know anything about saving gas.some might drive slow but thats just due to their habbits....
    For the people driving Hi-ace, I am pretty sure they are far beyond hypermiling.

    They keep the car started on the station (from where they pick up all the sawaris) for at least 30 minutes.

    I mean they don't even consider the least possibility that they amount of fuel they are wasting would probably cost them alot more money than the sawari they are waiting for!
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