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    Default 05 Se Saloon or 05 Civic vti

    just for info want to know which car is better in all aspects among the two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mubeenshahid View Post
    ^thats almost near to impossible
    Explain please?
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    Quote Originally Posted by airomerix View Post
    Explain please?
    ignore it bro, it's rocket science. humare bus ki baat nai
    VTEC did not kicked in ooooo

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    fr me
    civic has better exterior only and
    se saloon has betr interior + engine + fuel consumption + ac + road clearence + suspension + hard body + durability and its cheaper than 05 vti.
    now choice is urs
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    For Comfort and intercity drive go for vti civic 05
    BUT for FUEL EFFICIENCY and low maintainance go for Corrolla 05

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    Simple comparasion


    Exteriors

    Toyota Corolla 2005

    05 Se Saloon or 05 Civic vti -301495

    Honda Civic 2005

    05 Se Saloon or 05 Civic vti -301496


    Interior

    Toyota Corolla 2005

    05 Se Saloon or 05 Civic vti -301497

    Honda Civic 2005

    05 Se Saloon or 05 Civic vti -301498

    Instrument Cluster's

    Toyota Corolla 2006

    05 Se Saloon or 05 Civic vti -301499

    Honda Civic 2005

    05 Se Saloon or 05 Civic vti -301500

    Civic Pro's

    1) Better styling (In my opinion)
    2) More powerful/Fun to drive
    3) Better handling/Grip
    4) More responsive/Top Speed
    5) Better interior quality
    6) Sunroof
    7) Retractable door mirrors
    8) Seat height adjuster

    Corolla Pro's

    1) Better fuel consumption
    2) Suitable for PINDS/High road clearance
    3) SRS Airbag (Which never practically worked)
    4) Cheaper parts

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    ^^

    Civic Pro's

    1) Better styling (In my opinion) : To others SE Saloon with side skirts and stock rims looks more appealing than compact looking civic; though civic alloys are good too.

    2) More powerful/Fun to drive : Both are 1.6 ltr; you would hardly feel any difference in power. On CNG SE Saloon may lead the civic.

    3) Better handling/Grip : SE Saloon has 4 wheel disc brakes and there is abosultely no issues with the grip or handling if tires are in good condition.

    4) More responsive/Top Speed: SE Saloon has very good pick. Top Speed is irrelevant for a family sedan but both have the potential to achieve 200 or above, if properly maintained.

    5) Better interior quality: Disagree; people who have kept both the cars would agree with me that SE Saloon has better build quality; be it exterior or interior. Wooden panels, stitched leather steering wheel and gear lever give you rich feeling, when you operate the car plus it has better component sound system. I have heard both the systems; sound is more pronounced and clear in SE Saloon with default system.

    6) Sunroof : Agreed; available in basic vti ?

    7) Retractable door mirrors : Agreed; available in basic vti ?

    8) Seat height adjuster: Corolla offers a very optimal driving posture. There is no need for height adjustment.


    Corolla Pro's

    1) Better fuel consumption : Huge factor for those who are conscious about the mileage. SE Saloon with hard peddle can give you 9-11 Km/ltr and on CNG you can easily get around 115 -125.

    2) Suitable for PINDS/High road clearance: Even on our semi carpeted roads it suits better. NO comparison to SE Saloon's suspension. In my case even after 8 years of use, it is maintenance free.

    3) SRS Airbag (Which never practically worked) : WRONG; It can easily pop out with moderate impact.

    4) Cheaper parts: Cheaper parts and easily available mechanics in every street and corner contribute towards Corolla's big success.

    PICTURES YOU HAVE POSTED ARE NOT DOING JUSTICE.

    • BLUE COROLLA IS NOT SE SALOON.
    • CIVIC PIC AND INSTRUMENT CLUSTER IS NOT OF PAKISTANI CIVIC.
    • SE SALOON OPTITRON METER AND INTERIOR PICS ARE NOT CLEAR.

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    Basic vti has retractable sideview mirror.

    Corolla is more comfortable and more roomy but it has zero road grip and feels like you are sitting in van . corolla is better if you are a passenger.

    Civics' ride is hard , bumpy on city roads but it sticks to the road and has awesome brakes . For driving pleasure civic , no doubt

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    Quote Originally Posted by sial_ali View Post
    Basic vti has retractable sideview mirror.

    Corolla is more comfortable and more roomy but it has zero road grip and feels like you are sitting in van . corolla is better if you are a passenger.

    Civics' ride is hard , bumpy on city roads but it sticks to the road and has awesome brakes . For driving pleasure civic , no doubt
    It's not Corolla vs Civic or Toyota vs Honda. It's SE Saloon Vs Vti so please dont involve Xli/Gli or Altis in here and Corolla is not that bad as you are portraying else it wouldnt have been the most selling car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pyromaniac View Post
    It's not Corolla vs Civic or Toyota vs Honda. It's SE Saloon Vs Vti so please dont involve Xli/Gli or Altis in here and Corolla is not that bad as you are portraying else it wouldnt have been the most selling car.
    brother in a city like hyderabad i would definately choose se saloon as it is more comfortable and roomy. whether it is xli or altis ,shape chassis is same so same characteristics .

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    [QUOTE=airomerix;3012934]Simple comparasion


    Exteriors

    Toyota Corolla 2005

    05 Se Saloon or 05 Civic vti - 301495.

    its not the pics of se saloon bro specially interior. se has beautiful 3spoke sterng n white meters.
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    [QUOTE=airomerix;3012934]Simple comparasion




    Toyota Corolla 2005




    Interior

    Toyota.
    its nt se saloon interior bro
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    SE Saloon with stock rims and show grill.

    05 Se Saloon or 05 Civic vti -301524 05 Se Saloon or 05 Civic vti -301525

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    agr gari ka khayal rakhne ka time hai tu civic, but agr ragarne k lie leni hai, khado wale road pe chalani hai tu corolla lelein!

    my vote is for civic btw, areee is it just me or kya sub ko nai corolla ka front civic 05 jaisa lagta hai? especially night time ma samne se lights dekho tu
    I appreciate a good body regardless of the make

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    Quote Originally Posted by pyromaniac View Post
    SE Saloon with stock rims and show grill.

    05 Se Saloon or 05 Civic vti - 301524 05 Se Saloon or 05 Civic vti - 301525
    05 Se Saloon or 05 Civic vti -301573 05 Se Saloon or 05 Civic vti -301574
    I appreciate a good body regardless of the make

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    se saloon all the way.
    yes!!!

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    vti anytime bro
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    Quote Originally Posted by pyromaniac View Post
    ^^

    Civic Pro's

    1) Better styling (In my opinion) : To others SE Saloon with side skirts and stock rims looks more appealing than compact looking civic; though civic alloys are good too.
    Again its YOUR opinion. And I gave mine

    2) More powerful/Fun to drive : Both are 1.6 ltr; you would hardly feel any difference in power. On CNG SE Saloon may lead the civic.
    Wrong once again. 3ZZGE is no match to D16 Stage 3 VTEC when it comes to power band. Se Saloon is atleast 100kg heavier then VTi and still has 109hp 3zz ge where as VTi has 130hp. This VTi is the same car which gives Altis (2006-2008) run for its money!

    So kindly put up the FACTs rather than xyz

    3) Better handling/Grip : SE Saloon has 4 wheel disc brakes and there is abosultely no issues with the grip or handling if tires are in good condition.
    Try taking the Se saloon above 160 on Motorway and you'll know whats the issue. I have seen Xli''s of the same shape crashing just after 130 due to extensive aerodynamic design flaws which make the car unsuitable for highspeeds. Se Saloon is NO DIFFERENT.

    For that matter VTi has 4 Wheel Disc Brakes with ABS and EBD.

    BEAT THAT!


    4) More responsive/Top Speed: SE Saloon has very good pick. Top Speed is irrelevant for a family sedan but both have the potential to achieve 200 or above, if properly maintained.
    Agreed but for the sake of argument VTi will smoke Se Saloon in 'any' drag race or roll on runs due to higher power output and BETTER design aesthetics.

    5) Better interior quality: Disagree; people who have kept both the cars would agree with me that SE Saloon has better build quality; be it exterior or interior. Wooden panels, stitched leather steering wheel and gear lever give you rich feeling, when you operate the car plus it has better component sound system. I have heard both the systems; sound is more pronounced and clear in SE Saloon with default system.
    2005 Se Saloon came with Cassette player. Please update your information. Now dont tell me that cassette player is any better then Honda's Kenwood 10 CD Changer.

    6) Sunroof : Agreed; available in basic vti ?
    The poster has not mentioned the trim he is getting. But you know whats the best part? Se Saloon doesnt have it AT ALL!

    7) Retractable door mirrors : Agreed; available in basic vti ?
    Yes Retractable mirrors are available in basic VTi. What next?

    8) Seat height adjuster: Corolla offers a very optimal driving posture. There is no need for height adjustment.
    Now you are getting biased here. For that matter once can say there is no need of cruise control because it is useless in intra city driving. What ever Honda and Toyota have offered, they get merits and demerits for it. Hence Se Saloon lacks this component aswell which is USEFUL for short heighted people.

    Corolla Pro's

    1) Better fuel consumption : Huge factor for those who are conscious about the mileage. SE Saloon with hard peddle can give you 9-11 Km/ltr and on CNG you can easily get around 115 -125.
    Agreed. In fuel consumption corolla takes the lead but if the person can live with 9-10 km/l then whats the whole point of getting a Corolla?

    2) Suitable for PINDS/High road clearance: Even on our semi carpeted roads it suits better. NO comparison to SE Saloon's suspension. In my case even after 8 years of use, it is maintenance free.
    It is because your Se saloon has TORSION Beam rather then McPherson Struts. Torsion is even available in Mehran which makes it less complicated and this is where Se Saloon looses the edge in sharp cornering. Ask youself, will you pull a sharp turn at 100kph SAFELY in your corolla? Yes i can pull one in Civic!

    3) SRS Airbag (Which never practically worked) : WRONG; It can easily pop out with moderate impact.
    All these years, ive NEVER witnessed an SE Saloon/2D Saloon with a popped out airbag. Sorry!

    4) Cheaper parts: Cheaper parts and easily available mechanics in every street and corner contribute towards Corolla's big success.
    Even Mehrans are more sucessful for that matter. If one is living in Lahore, Multan, Karachi, Islamabad, Peshawar, Quetta etc then there is no need to worry about parts. No?

    PICTURES YOU HAVE POSTED ARE NOT DOING JUSTICE.

    • BLUE COROLLA IS NOT SE SALOON.
    • LOLz! You mean Se saloon came with some different more flashy shape of something?

    • CIVIC PIC AND INSTRUMENT CLUSTER IS NOT OF PAKISTANI CIVIC.
    Every sane person knows that we dont get readings in miles. Minus those calibrations and then see which is better. Simple isnt it?

  19. SE SALOON OPTITRON METER AND INTERIOR PICS ARE NOT CLEAR.
You mean there is some sort of Inner Beauty in Se Saloon which is not visible in pics? Really?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pyromaniac View Post
    SE Saloon with stock rims and show grill.

    05 Se Saloon or 05 Civic vti - 301524 05 Se Saloon or 05 Civic vti - 301525
    You are rejecting that picture just because it has different RIMS and GRILL?

    The picture i posted is of SE Saloon. Kindly note the side skirts and fog lamps. Every second corolla guy has changed his grill and rims for that matter.

    Otherwise its not our fault if they gave same shape to a 8lac Xli and a 14 lac Altis.

    Period!

    p.S

    This corolla has even more boring grill. Thanks for posting.
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    Whatever i'm going to say is based upon my own and some other peoples experience who own corolla:

    9th Gen Corolla is famous for having extremely poor brakes (xli/gli) and is also very famous for being very unstable at speeds of 120+km/h (applies to all trims).
    The road grip of the car is next to Zero, when at speeds of 120+km/h it feels like a PIA Plane is going to take off and makes our heart beatings fast while in civic at speed of 120+km/h the car feels very stable like its attached to the road and at speed of 120km/h it feels like its being driving at speed of 80km/h.
    If i have to choose between a corolla and civic, i'll definitely pick civic over corolla even if it is an Altis.

    There's no issue of ground clearance in 7th gen civic, although civic is little lower than corolla but that is a plus point because lower ground clearance makes the car more stable and increases the road grip

    Good luck.

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    Let me correct you here.
    Corolla 9th gen has way better interior quality than civic eagle eye.It has more smooth plastics while civic has hard plastics more and with wooden interior and 4spoke leather steering it looks much more luxury and better.

    @airomerix and altis 06 gives a run for its money to reborn in drag also.It does 0-100 in less than 9 seconds equilant to civic 1.8.
    Stability and brakes of Civic are much better.Control is great.Seats and suspension is normal .And it is more spacious than se saloon.1 thing more .Civic Vti is more expensive than same se saloon.
    A good VTi is somewhere btw 10-12 lakhs where se saloon can easily be found in 9-10 lakhs.And runs awesome on CNG.
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