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    Default Swift or Charade?

    I am going to buy one of these as a second car, for rough tough use, and even the car will be parked outside. We used to have a charade, I know thats a solid car but at the same price there are some khyber and swift availble in the market. Is swift 85-89 have different parts than khyber?

    I want to know which one is better in terms of performance, road grip, durability, spare parts, maintenance?

    I want the car should not be more than 1000cc
    It should run on CNG as well.

    Speed costs money. How fast do you want to go?

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    Parts wise kia fark ha khyber aur swift mein? yaar yeh bhi koi btade...abb
    Speed costs money. How fast do you want to go?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xulfiqar View Post
    There is a difference in maintaining a car at bare bones level and keeping it tip top, bare bones level maintenance cars end up in samad bonded carpets, puffed seats, twist tape wirings, cut screw adaptations and a general nuisance.

    But your choice of car upkeep maybe different than mine, hey - your money your car your choice.

    btw if you inspect the wiring to the A/C amp under the blower - it would be disconnected along with the low/high pressure safety switch and also the high engine temperature switch. The original Denso vane type compressor that is the first item to be tossed out by our A/C mechanics.
    Sir you got really superb knowledge from A to Z...! You are too good.
    Speed costs money. How fast do you want to go?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shariqak1 View Post
    Yeah my preference will be Cheaper and good condition. Lets see what comes in my destiny!
    yo.....!
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    Quote Originally Posted by immad100 View Post
    both got pro's and cons,charades are monsters when it comes to modding etc.
    swifts got relitively less potential as compared to charades.
    for you........grab the one you get first at reasonable nick+reasonable price.
    the G100 have a known weak point in the bodyshell that toyota tried to fix in the last of the G100s and in high performance G100s too. Do you know what is was?

    Its so important that the modding scene gets thrown out the window
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    ^^^no i don't know it.all i know is that ive seen turbo b16 g100's have seen h22 g100's 3sgte g100's 7afe g100's,no they dont have any ''axle rod breakage issue''
    seen emm running perfectly owsm.
    Atlast nothing is ''perfect'' in motorsports you know it well aswell.
    ''Peace is an unstable equilibrium,that can only be preserved by acknowledged supremacy and...equal power.'' ''We give up the fort when there is not a man left to defend it.''

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    what a comparison shrik

    charade vs swift really?

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    ^^^^not current swift,swift of 80's.
    ''Peace is an unstable equilibrium,that can only be preserved by acknowledged supremacy and...equal power.'' ''We give up the fort when there is not a man left to defend it.''

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    Quote Originally Posted by immad100 View Post
    ^^^no i don't know it.all i know is that ive seen turbo b16 g100's have seen h22 g100's 3sgte g100's 7afe g100's,no they dont have any ''axle rod breakage issue''
    seen emm running perfectly owsm.
    Atlast nothing is ''perfect'' in motorsports you know it well aswell.
    I can put a charade body around a mazda RX7 platform - and play circles around any boy racer, it doesnt make sense to me, placing large engines into small cars for drag racing is completely stupid and a waste of money. Anyway - the problem is that the bulkhead tears away from the front of the car's unibody, these tearaways then cause corrossion and eventual sagging at the front with an impossible to correct toe and camber angle. Toyota corrected it with adding a brace under the car in very late model cars. The brace was standard in GTti and G102 cars.

    Once the body has torn away there is no amount of "denting ustaad" time that can fix it, it needs a chassis jig to cold straighten it out only if the areas have not corroded.

    btw speaking of "running owsum" when I am in Karachi I would like you to bring a "swapped monster charade" and I'll bring my noisy diesel and we will drive to umm, lets say Bahawalpur or Sadiqabad and back, we can test the cars easily then and we will see the "owsum" in action.
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    ^^ôk here you go.
    bring your so called super fit diesel charade against a 4efte charade.there are many examples internationally,all arent duffers who go for such swaps,remember swaps arent always unplanned like you think(done by desi ustaads) bla bla bla.
    i told you earlier nothing is perfect in motorsports.
    arguing about this dsnt make any sense,u know well and i know too we can argue for days over this issue without deducting any healthy result.
    so take my posts li8ly instead of making emm base for argument.
    yes you are right too.do not confuse the things,do not make it complicated,let it be simple.
    many thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by immad100 View Post
    ^^ôk here you go.
    bring your so called super fit diesel charade against a 4efte charade.there are many examples internationally,all arent duffers who go for such swaps,remember swaps arent always unplanned like you think(done by desi ustaads) bla bla bla.
    i told you earlier nothing is perfect in motorsports.
    arguing about this dsnt make any sense,u know well and i know too we can argue for days over this issue without deducting any healthy result.
    so take my posts li8ly instead of making emm base for argument.
    yes you are right too.do not confuse the things,do not make it complicated,let it be simple.
    many thanks.
    You do know that all our denters use oxy acetylene to "weld and heat" sheet metal.. that is a BIG NO in any car built after 1975. So if you are cooking "qorma" but use a cheap oil as its base - its already ruined.

    BUT as the saying goes, your money, your choice.
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    @immad100

    r u serious

    what swaps r done in pakistan are for just straight line racing ....and you can never judge the performance and proper handling of cars in this

    all those hondas engine being swaped in charades destroy the weight distribution and handling of the car....

    it does not mean if you still can drive the car its awesome....

    and what examples you want to quote of international level

    those run new parts ..they reinforce the chassis ..and they pass the tests ..then they race

    we just swap here and go locking
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    @poster

    i have 84 charde for a resale purpose with a swaped engine and i use khyber swift as well

    you will find all parts of swift/khyber in any city ...but u wont find for charade

    as Xulfiqar has explained the situation

    plus khyber parts are as cheap ....you can even find kabli stuff......

    run it on CNg with AC you will get best fuel economy after cultus and mehran
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    Quote Originally Posted by rozzzzz View Post
    @immad100

    r u serious

    what swaps r done in pakistan are for just straight line racing ....and you can never judge the performance and proper handling of cars in this


    all those hondas engine being swaped in charades destroy the weight distribution and handling of the car....

    it does not mean if you still can drive the car its awesome....

    and what examples you want to quote of international level

    those run new parts ..they reinforce the chassis ..and they pass the tests ..then they race


    we just swap here and go locking
    its not my fault if they do it,we ''can'' do it aswell.
    are youuuuuuuu serious??
    you built your khyber for straight line drag?all arent alike chap,we had a b16 turbo charade,had no cornering issue,handling issue.yes i agree if you do the swaps like you fire stray bullets then for sure you gonna face the music.
    see oforomer's f20b swift,see d15 charades,see b16 charades.
    no one can deny the fact that things made from factory are reliable,if you are going to gain something you should be mentally prepared to loose somthing.

    many thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rozzzzz View Post
    @poster

    i have 84 charde for a resale purpose with a swaped engine and i use khyber swift as well

    you will find all parts of swift/khyber in any city ...but u wont find for charade

    as Xulfiqar has explained the situation

    plus khyber parts are as cheap ....you can even find kabli stuff......

    run it on CNg with AC you will get best fuel economy after cultus and mehran
    84 is something different.
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    Quote Originally Posted by waqassher View Post
    Well i would reccomend that you get a japanese Alto Or Peino , especially probox . Even though these cars are a bit more expensive but they are really really more durable .

    are you sure the prices are only A BIT EXPENSIVE??
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    Quote Originally Posted by rozzzzz View Post
    @immad100

    r u serious

    what swaps r done in pakistan are for just straight line racing ....and you can never judge the performance and proper handling of cars in this

    all those hondas engine being swaped in charades destroy the weight distribution and handling of the car....

    it does not mean if you still can drive the car its awesome....

    and what examples you want to quote of international level

    those run new parts ..they reinforce the chassis ..and they pass the tests ..then they race

    we just swap here and go locking
    The gentleman requiring the vehicle is not interested in swapping. He is merely opting for a cost effective solution.

    Having kept a swift and charade i would prefer a charade anytime due to my passion.

    It is not the best cost effective solution at hand I must warn you inadvance.

    A good charade will cost you around 3 lacks which includes a cng kit , ac , well maintained and not abused. The risk element is still there as genuine parts are scarce and taiwanese and chinese parts dont really perform well.

    Bodies will start to wear out due to age along with chasis and engine.

    Rebuilding a beat up charade will eventually end up in high stress and frustration not to mention financial setback

    i strongly recommend that you opt for a mehran . A good one will be available for 3 lacks. parts are dirt cheap. you can rebuild it easily , resale is no issue. In todays economic conditions this would be the best option. Other then that a cuore but then again your budget will have to stretched.

    I can suggest other cars as well however i must stress on mehran.

    hope you find a nice car.

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    please check my link for a helpful insight to mehran and charade

    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/mem...-my-new-ride-3
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    Quote Originally Posted by immad100 View Post
    its not my fault if they do it,we ''can'' do it aswell.
    are youuuuuuuu serious??
    you built your khyber for straight line drag?all arent alike chap,we had a b16 turbo charade,had no cornering issue,handling issue.yes i agree if you do the swaps like you fire stray bullets then for sure you gonna face the music.
    see oforomer's f20b swift,see d15 charades,see b16 charades.
    no one can deny the fact that things made from factory are reliable,if you are going to gain something you should be mentally prepared to loose somthing.

    many thanks.

    The daihatsu charade whether G11 or G100 in any form understeer like a pig, how can you drop a larger engine and expect a nose heavy car with a simple strut suspension and simple link steering to suddenly have cornering abilities.

    I think you have not actually swung a car around a corner, and because Pakistan thinks drifting is cornering then NO ITS NOT, cornering is how fast can your vehicle negotiate a sharp bend on the road without slide and without hop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xulfiqar View Post
    The daihatsu charade whether G11 or G100 in any form understeer like a pig, how can you drop a larger engine and expect a nose heavy car with a simple strut suspension and simple link steering to suddenly have cornering abilities.

    I think you have not actually swung a car around a corner, and because Pakistan thinks drifting is cornering then NO ITS NOT, cornering is how fast can your vehicle negotiate a sharp bend on the road without slide and without hop.
    who said drifting=cornnering?
    vague concept.
    let this thing apart what ive done or what ive not.
    take the example of 4efte charade i''never felt any torque steer feel,nothing like loss of grip''all of this happens when you do the swap like you p**.
    yes sir i do admit we do ''over powered'' useless swaps here,but yo...are arent alike.
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    who mentioned torque steer, you said it handled good, what are you calling handling then??? any G100 when pushed around a twisting road understeers like a pig. The car is nose heavy, all the weight literally sits infront of the front wheels.

    I have driven one of these swapped B16 charades and tried to negotiate the same bends I could throw cars around - guess what?? the car was understeering bad, white smoke from the front inner tire pouring and the car was not willing to turn unless I slowed down to a crawl. No amount of coil overs or alignment would correct it because the basic weight distribution was incorrect.

    Not to mention the massive body flex that was going on. When I have a toy car I actually WORK ON IT, not ask someone or some ustaad to do it.
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