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    Default Myths regarding 660cc Cars

    Well, I have come across a lot of people who say " yaar 660 cc engine waali gaari nhn chahiye it's underpowered, small and bla bla ". I myself have two 660 cc's , one 1000cc and and 1 1300cc car. I have driven SUVs and other cars with big engines.
    So, I have come across a few myths that people have regarding 660 cc cars. It's just my option and people can disagree to that.

    1. 660 cc engine is underpowered : more Cubic Centimeters do not always mean the car is more powerful. Daihatsu Mira, for instance , has 58 bhp while Suzuki Mehran and Suzuki cultus have 35 and 55 HP respectively. So, a 660 Mira is a lot more powerful than 800cc Mehran and 1000cc cultus.

    2. 660 cc is not always fuel efficient: To some extent it's right, obviously a 660cc driven at higher RPMs will not give you any better mileage but a 660 cc car driven at lower RPM can obviously be more fuel efficient than a 1300cc with same the RPM , other factors remain constant.

    3. 660cc can't run on long routes: That's not true, I have driven so many cars, but it's just people's perception that smaller cars can't run on long routes. I have done something like 500 kms in one interval. The only problem I had with any car on long routes was Suzuki cultus. It had heating issues whereas, 660's didn't come up with any issues.

    4. Smaller cars, road grip issue : These dinkies can't be compared with Honda civic when it comes to road grip, but they are surely better than my 2007 corolla interms of road grip, believe me. But these cars are safer too with ABS and others safety features.

    5. Almost all the 660's are accidented when they come to Pakistan : Nope, not true. Some are accidented badly while others are totally genuine. Well to me, it doesn't matter if a part or two are changed or repaired due to some minor accidents because I pay lower price and the car that I get is obviously better than many new Pakistani cars.
    If the car is totally TOTALED ( idk how if that's the word used for fully accidented cars ) then we should refrain from it but if it has minor repairing done then we can have it. In normal life you don't actually think about that as far as the car is mechanically sound.

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    Quote Originally Posted by huzaifa.haroon View Post
    Just fuel economy is not to be looked at ...
    1000cc means bigger car
    Bigger engine
    Change in Class
    And thousands of more thing s are there.
    You also get a 660 under 1 million and if u keep the rest money in bank , you can get fuel free of cost for your lifetime ...

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    Lol brother, I wouldn't agree to that.
    Bigger engine - yes other cars will be more powerful , again I am not talking about cultus or alto. I am talking about passo and Vitz
    Change in class- nope, not really a change. Passo and Mira e:s have the same things offer. Infact Mira es does offer a few things better. Plus honestly there's not much change . But Mira if compared with cultus 1000cc would be an injustice to Mira.
    Features wise 660s have as many features as any 1000 - 1300cc car in jdm category. And u know that better.
    Why shouldn't we buy motorcycles or say a small car like FX or Mehran and keep all the money in the bank and it will finance their fuel as well as other Maintainance expenditure.
    See don't confuse engine size with features and class. It's just a wrong perception we all have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Faisalsaeed11 View Post
    Lol brother, I wouldn't agree to that.
    Bigger engine - yes other cars will be more powerful , again I am not talking about cultus or alto. I am talking about passo and Vitz
    Change in class- nope, not really a change. Passo and Mira e:s have the same things offer. Infact Mira es does offer a few things better. Plus honestly there's not much change . But Mira if compared with cultus 1000cc would be an injustice to Mira.
    Features wise 660s have as many features as any 1000 - 1300cc car in jdm category. And u know that better.
    Why shouldn't we buy motorcycles or say a small car like FX or Mehran and keep all the money in the bank and it will finance their fuel as well as other Maintainance expenditure.
    See don't confuse engine size with features and class. It's just a wrong perception we all have.
    You are just talking about features here.
    If i get a choice of choosing between mira eS and Passo , I would definitely go for Passo because both are having same price tags.
    Features : It depends on version.
    Comfart : Passo
    Engine : Passo
    If you are driving Passo or vitz or swift and you get an option of buying mira eS will you go for mira ?
    Passo gives 15 km/l and mira eS does 20-22 , if u want to get a small car then you can get pino and save extra 2-3 lacs for fuel


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    Quote Originally Posted by huzaifa.haroon View Post
    You are just talking about features here.
    If i get a choice of choosing between mira eS and Passo , I would definitely go for Passo because both are having same price tags.
    Features : It depends on version.
    Comfart : Passo
    Engine : Passo
    If you are driving Passo or vitz or swift and you get an option of buying mira eS will you go for mira ?
    Passo gives 15 km/l and mira eS does 20-22 , if u want to get a small car then you can get pino and save extra 2-3 lacs for fuel


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    Mira es is as comfortable as passo.
    See it's just our perception that since it's a 660 it wouldn't be as good as a 1000 cc engine.
    Mira e:s with more features is always better than simple passo or Vitz.
    Plus fuel efficiency is what matters for me . I would choose Mira any day.
    P.S passo and Mira are almost equally spacious!!! Engine is what makes the difference and our mentality is that passo is superior whereas a Mira with features will be superior to a simple passo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Faisalsaeed11 View Post
    Mira es is as comfortable as passo.
    See it's just our perception that since it's a 660 it wouldn't be as good as a 1000 cc engine.
    Mira e:s with more features is always better than simple passo or Vitz.
    Plus fuel efficiency is what matters for me . I would choose Mira any day.
    P.S passo and Mira are almost equally spacious!!! Engine is what makes the difference and our mentality is that passo is superior whereas a Mira with features will be superior to a simple passo.
    Have u even seen back seats of mira es ?

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    Mira back seats are uncomfortable if U compare it with passo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MADDYBOY View Post
    bhai jitni batein kar loun naye gari naye hoti ha

    yahan tu japani gari ma koi masla nikala aye tu himesha 2 reasons batye jate hain by the professionals experts :

    1 sir yahan par jo petrol ha naw vo mix ho kar ata ha yahan ka hi octane bhi pure nahi ha bla bla bla
    2 bhai yeh masla araha ha gari ma bhai yeh genion masla ha gari ma ais model ki yeh ap ki nahi sub hi gariyo ma ata ha bus ap bardash kare or aise chale

    yeh kia koi bakwas ha atnay paise bhi khrach doun or phr bhi phuti sidhi batein suno

    ais lia personal opinion ha always buy brand new car as compared to these accidental and high millage cars
    Yar agar nai gari nai hoti hai to karlo compare kisi bhi local gari ko 4 grade JDM se! Khud idea hojaega apko....

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    Quote Originally Posted by huzaifa.haroon View Post
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    No Huzaifa ive seen many people importing less mileage cars for their own use so your assumption is not correct here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gta View Post
    Yar agar nai gari nai hoti hai to karlo compare kisi bhi local gari ko 4 grade JDM se! Khud idea hojaega apko....
    Cultus 2014 or Mehran 2014 subh bekar hen!!! I mean ajeeb problems nikalti hen unme
    I am talkng about this 8-12 lacs category in particular

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    Quote Originally Posted by huzaifa.haroon View Post
    I sold my mira eS for 1140 , i told the person everything that this side is painted , side mirror is repaired , it was hit front underneath , i will remove cd player , the price is high , the denters and painters he bought couldn't recognise the rapired area .
    Still after a day he came and took the car , this bher chaal is going on , prius in hybrid , mira es in 660 it doesn't matter if u can get a better car , bigger car (Passo , corolla) in 11 50 k but people want mira es , it took me just a day to sell the car and i was amazed

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    Quote Originally Posted by huzaifa.haroon View Post
    Still its stupidity to pay more than a million for a 660cc car!

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    Top grade Mira Es costs aroung 11 lacs in japan and mind you its the one of the best selling cars there so the whole Japanese nation is stupid ? lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by umarkhan1 View Post
    it means that my 997cc 60 hp cultus efi can produce more power then a 1300cc car??
    Fiat Panda with 2 cylinders engine produces 85 hp ... more than or equal to our xli

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gta View Post
    No Huzaifa ive seen many people importing less mileage cars for their own use so your assumption is not correct here.
    You've seen many...but what percentage of people ? 1 ? 99 percent of people are being ripped off!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gta View Post
    Top grade Mira Es costs aroung 11 lacs in japan and mind you its the one of the best selling cars there so the whole Japanese nation is stupid ? lol
    If you can get me a top grade mira eS for 11 lack , I will handle you money today

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gta View Post
    Top grade Mira Es costs aroung 11 lacs in japan and mind you its the one of the best selling cars there so the whole Japanese nation is stupid ? lol
    In Japan price tag of mira eS is low and comparable with other 660cc cars ... It starts from 7 lac yen(Brand new car ) So this does not make them stupid

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    Quote Originally Posted by huzaifa.haroon View Post
    In Japan price tag of mira eS is low and comparable with other 660cc cars ... It starts from 7 lac yen(Brand new car ) So this does not make them stupid

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    Quote Originally Posted by huzaifa.haroon View Post
    If you can get me a top grade mira eS for 11 lack , I will handle you money today

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    I am talking about Japan.
    Why did you go for a 18 lac1300cc Semi hybrid when you could have easily gone for Civic hybrid. The car has bigger displacement isnt it ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Faisalsaeed11 View Post
    Obviously, as i stated this earlier that it's just 'my opinion'. But again, my opinion is based on certain experiences that I have come across. I have run a lot of 660s my self and that's where my opinion has come from.

    Firstly, high wear and tear will only come if you use the car harshly. See, it's not made for power obviously but these engines would last a lot if you use them the correct way. See, if you put a lot of stress on the engine like if you race or use the car harshly then obviously the wear and tear would be more. That applies to all the engines not just 660's.

    Secondly , i 660's have smaller engines but you should also consider the power to weight ratio. These cars are built smaller. The engine itself is smaller in weight. A 660cc car with 4 people sitting is not gonna put stress on the engine but if you accommodate 6 people then there will be a problem but again, its not gonna impact as much.

    Thirdly not all parts are expensive. You can get a sealed engine of Mira 660 in just under 30k. Other daily usage parts are not expensive. But, yeah, in general these parts are more expensive than locally made ones but then again, all the imported cars have this issue. Not just 660cc cars.
    Most of the 660 are with 3 speed fwd tranny . Talking about long route imagine driving ur car in 3rd gear all the way at motorway @ 120km/hr

    Still u say that engine will be stressed when it will be driven harshly? dont u think the engine would be crying for help/mercy at 120 km/hr in 3rd gear continuously?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dms664 View Post
    Most of the 660 are with 3 speed fwd tranny . Talking about long route imagine driving ur car in 3rd gear all the way at motorway @ 120km/hr

    Still u say that engine will be stressed when it will be driven harshly? dont u think the engine would be crying for help/mercy at 120 km/hr in 3rd gear continuously?
    Ever heard about CVT?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dms664 View Post
    Most of the 660 are with 3 speed fwd tranny . Talking about long route imagine driving ur car in 3rd gear all the way at motorway @ 120km/hr

    Still u say that engine will be stressed when it will be driven harshly? dont u think the engine would be crying for help/mercy at 120 km/hr in 3rd gear continuously?
    Firstly the auto tramission used in 660's with 3 speed fwd is different than running ur car on 3rd gear. 3 speed fwd transmission is different in these 660's. Aap 3rd gear pe 120 speed lagaen corolla pe for instance usme buht masla hoga but pino or Mira 3rd gear auto mein sahih chalogi Infact better chalegi. Inki setting inke engine k Lihaz se hui hoti hai.
    Secondly I never said they are ideal for long routes. I said you can take them like twice or thrice the year as they are safe. Plus they perform better than my Old shape 2007 corolla interms of engine performance and grip. Agar aapke paas sedan hai, then u can use that instead of these 660s.

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    Most of the cars now imported have CVTs or 4 speed fwd transmission. Just to let you know

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