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    Question Swift or FAW V2?

    Need to make a decision.

    I want a car that's economical and fast (when I want it to be). City is not in my range (nor do I wanna buy a car which is getting a new facelift next year).

    I know about the resale problem, I don't really care much about that. I plan to keep this car for at least 5 years.

    Budget is about 11,00,000. Suggestions please.

    Also, I'd like to know if anyone here knows technical stuff about the V2 so I can get some tips and tricks if I do end up getting that car (there are a lot of Swift experts here so I was wondering).


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    V2 , go for it

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    Quote Originally Posted by abc1111 View Post
    @muradi seems like they're comparing chinese chowmein noodle with desi Biryani


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    Where "chow mein noodle" is actually affordable and leaves a good taste in mouth, not as quite as "Desi-Biryani" which is actually boiled rice sprinkled with some fried onions on the top.

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    DO NOT ASK ANY FURTHER AND JUST LISTEN TO ME

    buy FAW V2 for Rs. 1,069,000/-. You will save Rs. 231,000/- if swift DLX costs you 1,300,000/- plus more savings on registration / tax as Swift falls into 1500 cc category cuz of 1349 cc engine.

    now invest this amount 231k exactly as i would tell you. PM me for details. (or if you find it difficult to invest then you can simply let me invest for you.) by 2017 your savings would be doubled. and by that time if you want to ditch FAW v2 then you can sell it for a loss of 231k atleast.
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    Sounds Interesting. Vot are the Investment details?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NiGhTShAdE View Post
    Well unlike most i won't be suggesting FAW as i almost have a personal experience with FAW X-PV.
    On paper V2 looks strong but you need to consult someone on practicality of keeping both cars. If you talk about on paper thing Liana would edge out each and every 1.3L car of Pakistan specially Xli(in terms of engine performance, Cabin facilities) but does that mean you would prefer Liana over XLi, i wouldn't. Xli has easily availabe spares, mostly cheaper too, strong build and is easy to maintain car.
    Same goes for Swift and V2, Swift is a road proven car, V2 is mostly on paper in Pakistan. Faw spares are almost impossible to find. X-PV i talked about met an severe accident, though insured but parts are nowhere to be found.Even Authorized dealers dont have all parts. Same would be for V2. A car that is hard to maintain in definately NOT recommended no matter how good it is on paper and specially if you don't have money to experiment, then stay away from experiments. My colleague's X-PV experiment has costed him something that was even beyond his imaginations....
    I fully agree. My uncle's office had FAW's pickup Which Caught fire. It cost Two Hundred Thousand rupees and that too without its own parts.

    However, uncle still says it's a good car so even the Buggy would do good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NiGhTShAdE View Post
    Well unlike most i won't be suggesting FAW as i almost have a personal experience with FAW X-PV.
    On paper V2 looks strong but you need to consult someone on practicality of keeping both cars. If you talk about on paper thing Liana would edge out each and every 1.3L car of Pakistan specially Xli(in terms of engine performance, Cabin facilities) but does that mean you would prefer Liana over XLi, i wouldn't. Xli has easily availabe spares, mostly cheaper too, strong build and is easy to maintain car.
    Same goes for Swift and V2, Swift is a road proven car, V2 is mostly on paper in Pakistan. Faw spares are almost impossible to find. X-PV i talked about met an severe accident, though insured but parts are nowhere to be found.Even Authorized dealers dont have all parts. Same would be for V2. A car that is hard to maintain in definately NOT recommended no matter how good it is on paper and specially if you don't have money to experiment, then stay away from experiments. My colleague's X-PV experiment has costed him something that was even beyond his imaginations....
    don't forgot faw v2 have every single performance parts of vitz and cosmetic part not a problem you can get even a custom body kit made second we don't really have toyota japan/honda japan in pak all we have is AHL/IMC sharing my experience we bought new xli in 2010 at after 20 km on odo I had to call my friend to help me toe the car to nearest 3s becoz first gear was not engaging second the car was getting heat up and 3s ppl were like "sir engine naya hai abi garm hoga" I was like it will heat up but not up to h mark right I have to screw the management to get it inspected and a fuse in fuse box was fluctuating and after seeing this review I would never buy a IMC car for sure
    Tested my Grande on Sunday!!! Wallaahaaa its one awesome ride!!! Pretty good Pick and good response to driving style!!!!! crosses 100 Km/Hr quite soon and Triptonic Transmission on Steering Wheel is just pure love!!!!

    I was enjoying all the above, when i though to use the break!!! and there it goes!!!! Sab cheezon pay paani phir gaya!!! car shaked like hell!!! Actually i am used to 9th Gen Brakes, so no match to 9th Gen Brakes!!!!

    In the end i can say, Grande needs brake upgradation as soon as possible, otherwise, it is risk to so many lifes!!!!
    11th Gen Corolla:

    When I drove it for the first time, I thought I am driving my old 10th Gen Gli except that the smell was of new car. The drive, sound, comfort is just like the previous model. Felt no difference at all.

    The shape is where they have put all the efforts but just look at it from a side and you would want to fit your head in the rear tyre-fender gap. Just looks pathetic.

    Now coming to main thing; quality...

    As expected, Toyota has done it again. Just 5 days out of the showroom and m car had a metallic "tak" sound from the front right side of the suspension. Got it checked and found out some part broke that is connected to the right shock. Well, it was a shock in itself. Got it repaired.

    A few days back, the car was hit due to ABS malfunction. Younger brother was driving at 100-110 kmph on Kashmir highway and just when he pressed the brake the paddle didn't return. Front right wheel got jammed; yes jammed and the car skidded towards the green belt. there was a huge tyre mark of the right wheel only on the road and on the green belt. As far as I know, ABS prevents from locking the wheels but the wheel was locked so bad that it was dug in the greenbelt taking the grass with it and leaving a 1 tyre mark on it.

    Coming to the paint quality. Thinnest possible layer that would go off with a couple of detailing sessions.

    swift or faw v2 -1517975
    Mohtaram @aghazi Sahib,
    That's exactly what I've been writing about again and again. The quality of locally assembled cars, particularly from IMC (Indus Motor Company) and Pak Suzuki. Honda has a better quality but still not at par with international standards. The government should take a note of it and force these substandard car assemblers to close their business and allow better quality cars to be imported from Toyota Thailand. Toyota Australia is closing in 2017 and will import cars from Thailand. Pakistan can do the same. This will allow the end-user to have better quality. I don't know when our end-user will teach IMC its lesson. I went to a Toyota dealership in Islamabad to inspect their new 11th generation Corolla and dressed the management down. My focus was on the pathetic quality of the car. Now whenever I go there, I scare the pants off of everyone. They see me and the management vanishes. Whenever I get the chance I give them a good dressing-down. They deserve it. The very first day the 11th generation Corolla was launched, I went to the management and told them that I wanted a new car very badly and after going over the car with a detailed walk-around, I had come to the conclusion that their 11th generation Corolla was a big-time piece of garbage and that I would never waste a single rupee on it let alone a humungous amount of 2.3 million.

    In to gari nahi bananee atee, nahi atee, nahi atee, nahi atee, nahi atee aur jo in kay kartoot hain, in ko gari bananee kabhi nahin ayee gee. Yay lotairay hain aur pichlay kai saloon say sarfeen ko loot rahay hain. I won't pay them a single rupee for any of their cars because I don't have illicit money, mairay pass haraam ka paisa nahin. I won't even accept their car for free because I don't like driving garbage.

    We should raise our voice for a change in our government's auto policy. We should ask the government to allow the import of quality cars from abroad so that the end-users get to drive good cars. We are not animals but humans and want value for our money. Local car assemblers, wrongly called as manufacturers are churning out garbage. Just say no to them.

    No offence please and regards.
    so the story goes like this…


    Grande Bronze Mica - Booked on Aug 17 - Toyota Township
    PBO - Nov
    Got call yesterday to get delivery on Friday
    Went to get delivery - got back empty handed!


    Car was being washed. After washing they parked the car in one of their area which was under low light….only few tubes lights. My uncle and elder son was with me and I asked them to check the car specially body and looks for any scratches. During the final stages of documentation, I decided to check the car myself on parallel to save some time. I excused the gentleman who was working on documentation and went to check it. My uncle and son said that it’s absolutely scratchless. Awesome!


    Car was looking stunning I must say. I turned on led on my phone and decided to give a round myself. All was looking good until I reached passenger side fender, 5 white dots at random places. What the hell, must be some imperfection while painting which will go away with compound. When I touched the surface on dots, it was smooth. The dots were inside paint. I instantly knew that these will not go away whatever they do. After this I found 8-10 more dots on same side, doors, pillars and top. I also found light scratches and one brushed painted scratch on driver side.


    - I told them to stop the documentation immediately. At no cost, I will accept it
    - They asked me to give them 30 mins to fix this. I said ok. I knew they won’t be able to fix it though.
    - They compound the affected parts, as expected this made dots a bit bigger!
    - They polished it, even used zero sand paper. Utterly useless!
    - Then they took photos and said that they will contact IMC. They took me to warranty department.
    - I told them, why warranty? That car is not mine. I did not accept it so there is no question of warranty. They understood what I was walking about and accepted my stance.
    - I told them that I can give them only few days to replace it or fix it fully. I know they can not fix it. Door and fender can be replaced but not pillars and top.
    - If not, them I want my money back with 3.5 months of interest on that.
    - Now they will contact IMC and will resolve this.


    Some observations, during this ordeal, no one from manager to lower staff tried to force me to accept the car except that warranty trick. They were cordial and said they If I don’t accept it then be it is.


    Lesson: Check the car thoroughly, try to get it in day light. Check if with flash light if under dark.
    My cousin came to our home at iftaari, he just came back from toyota dealership.
    He said car really looks awesome from front, simply mind blowing when you see it in real life, back is okayish but that height kills the looks. Even he said the same thing about the tail lights not aligned properly plus interior quality was pretty bad, the stitching on the leather seats was not okay, steering seemed dull plus the sunroof area was looking pretty cheap. Though he really liked the interior.
    When he asked the salesman about the tail lights not aligned and interior not done properly guess what was salesman reply. "Sir jee ye display unit ha isi liay ismay ye issue ha, jab ap ki gaari ayegi wo ek dum theek hogi" -_-
    Then he asked about the immobiliser and salesman said "sir gaari ab choro ka beech famous hogaye to ab hum kya kar saktay ha?" XD
    And my told him about his car stolen from his bungalow due to immobiliser not being provided and salesman said "Sir MashAllah sa apka bungla ha, guard to apko rakhna chaye tha" -_-
    Then my cousin said leave it, issay behter to meri reborn ha and the salesman came with some paper that was comparing performance between new civic and corolla and the salesman said "Sir ap ye dekhe, hamari naye corolla ki performance kitni achi hogaye ha" And my cousin got angry and said performance achi hui hogi lakin behter nae, compare karna choro kam sa kam jo civic ma ha wo to do tum log and left!
    Literally when my cousin was telling this to me, I bursted into laughter. Illiterate and idiot salesman they have -_- seriously, was that salesman high on drugs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NiGhTShAdE View Post
    Well unlike most i won't be suggesting FAW as i almost have a personal experience with FAW X-PV.
    On paper V2 looks strong but you need to consult someone on practicality of keeping both cars. If you talk about on paper thing Liana would edge out each and every 1.3L car of Pakistan specially Xli(in terms of engine performance, Cabin facilities) but does that mean you would prefer Liana over XLi, i wouldn't. Xli has easily availabe spares, mostly cheaper too, strong build and is easy to maintain car.
    Same goes for Swift and V2, Swift is a road proven car, V2 is mostly on paper in Pakistan. Faw spares are almost impossible to find. X-PV i talked about met an severe accident, though insured but parts are nowhere to be found.Even Authorized dealers dont have all parts. Same would be for V2. A car that is hard to maintain in definately NOT recommended no matter how good it is on paper and specially if you don't have money to experiment, then stay away from experiments. My colleague's X-PV experiment has costed him something that was even beyond his imaginations....
    Brother I totally agree with you...almost every one here is recommending V2..but 99% have no idea about the built quality of the car...its performance, its safety features, how it drives and behaves and whether the spare parts are available or not...I am not a big fan of swift but here ill recommend you swift the only reason being it is a road proven car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ch.shamsher View Post
    only reason being it is a road proven car.
    mehran is more proven on road then swift why don't you recommend mehran to OP

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vajih102 View Post
    Sounds Interesting. Vot are the Investment details?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ASKnASK View Post
    Need to make a decision.

    I want a car that's economical and fast (when I want it to be). City is not in my range (nor do I wanna buy a car which is getting a new facelift next year).

    I know about the resale problem, I don't really care much about that. I plan to keep this car for at least 5 years.

    Budget is about 11,00,000. Suggestions please.

    Also, I'd like to know if anyone here knows technical stuff about the V2 so I can get some tips and tricks if I do end up getting that car (there are a lot of Swift experts here so I was wondering).
    Bro why swift and V2 ? why not another car ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vajih102 View Post
    Sounds Interesting. Vot are the Investment details?

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    Okay to make it even more interesting and promote this vehicle (and the auto industry of Pakistan) I am going up to the extent that I can offer upto 2 new purchasers of this vehicle the return on investment (in strict terms that I will provide, no matter what) of what I have said in the my above post. i.e. if x is the price difference between faw v2 and swift or even city then if x is deposited with me I will pay 2x after 2 years from the date of deposit.

    but only upto 2 persons as this whole investment scheme would be backed up by my own money. and I cant take more risk. the terms and conditions includes that the person should buy, register and use this vehicle for 1 year at least. and ofcourse should be a pakwheeler.

    its a good offer as I am giving out 50% RoI per anum. but ofcourse nobody would be availing it since i am a total stranger :p
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    no match whats this faw v2 go for swift
    adam aur dosri bad nasli gario ka kiya hashar kiya its very clear
    5 sall bad swift still 10 lakh ki ho gi atleast n isy kisi ny 2 lakh ka ni lena
    fx is stll selling around 1.5 n khyber 3 lakh joy ,qq ka ho hashar howa lolzzzz
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    Quote Originally Posted by abc1111 View Post
    @muradi seems like they're comparing chinese chowmein noodle with desi Biryani


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    tbh Faw V2 does look appealing, the car has every basic requirement for a price tag of 1070k which is surely quite cheap but at this point we can't say anything about reliability and quality, by looking at the paint job it seems quite good.
    On the other hand Swift is tried, Tested,Forced,Abused,R*ped,Screwed and what not and it can bear it.
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    My Vote is for Swift ..
    It's really a very nice car
    Have used it , for 20000 km and more than a year
    It was a really nice experience
    Brakes , shape , acceleration , interior , seats everything is good
    Looks outstanding with body kit

    Even if resale is not an issue for you
    But you would really hate and regret when you won't even get 30 percent of the money / cars value after 5 years ...
    If you want to keep it for 20 years or forever then go for it ..
    Yes I haven't used it
    But I can assure you , not only resale but swift is a better car overall
    Drive both and then decide
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    Quote Originally Posted by muradi View Post
    tbh Faw V2 does look appealing, the car has every basic requirement for a price tag of 1070k which is surely quite cheap but at this point we can't say anything about reliability and quality, by looking at the paint job it seems quite good.
    On the other hand Swift is tried, Tested,Forced,Abused,R*ped,Screwed and what not and it can bear it.
    the old imported charade know as "hi roof charade" in pak was manufactured by faw under daihatsu logo and that car is solid as brick I must say and at this time car is being marketed so it will be of much better quality

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    Quote Originally Posted by saboor73 View Post
    the old imported charade know as "hi roof charade" in pak was manufactured by faw under daihatsu logo and that car is solid as brick I must say and at this time car is being marketed so it will be of much better quality
    But it was manufactured under Daihatsu Logo and that logo holds resale
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    Quote Originally Posted by muradi View Post
    But it was manufactured under Daihatsu Logo and that logo holds resale
    as OPs said resale isn't a issue for him

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    I'd vote for FAW V2. Why? It's a cheaper solution with better features.

    I'm pretty sure most of the people claiming that it's quality is not good enough have not driven or seen this car in real life and the rest are Swift owners.

    The reason we are only stuck with a few options now and paying over 15 lakhs for a car with no power windows is this mentality. Our people keep asking and crying for something new and when it arrives here, they start discouraging people who want to try it.

    Sad part is that it is almost 2015 and we still have cars like Mehran, I mean no matter how economical the car is it is still a total rip off and literally a iron box on the road.

    And some of us will have to take the risk of giving this car a chance, which seems like a good competitor to what we have. So far I didn't notice or heard anything bad about this car so yes, my vote lies with FAW V2. Cheers.

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    Smile Swift!...

    Although I am a die hard fan of China and Chinese products but here I would advise the starter of this post to go for a Swift DLX. Although I am sure the V2 may be a nice car but 5 years down the line I do not know what the state of spares, reliability will be.

    I lived for a year in China and even there it was rare to see a local car. Most popular there were VW, Buick, Audi and to a lesser extent Hyundai and Kia. Even Toyota and Honda were very rare. This should give you an indication of which car to buy now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haris.K View Post
    I'd vote for FAW V2. Why? It's a cheaper solution with better features.

    I'm pretty sure most of the people claiming that it's quality is not good enough have not driven or seen this car in real life and the rest are Swift owners.

    The reason we are only stuck with a few options now and paying over 15 lakhs for a car with no power windows is this mentality. Our people keep asking and crying for something new and when it arrives here, they start discouraging people who want to try it.

    Sad part is that it is almost 2015 and we still have cars like Mehran, I mean no matter how economical the car is it is still a total rip off and literally a iron box on the road.

    And some of us will have to take the risk of giving this car a chance, which seems like a good competitor to what we have. So far I didn't notice or heard anything bad about this car so yes, my vote lies with FAW V2. Cheers.
    totally agreed with you statement

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