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    Default Need honest feedback regarding PakSuzuki Wagon R behaviour on Motorway

    Friends my brother is looking for a new car and has a budget of about 1.1 million. He is looking into the wagon r option as his past ride was cultus (also brought new is 2010) and now he wants to try another car. He will be making atleast 1 trip per month to Pindi from the M2. I think that while Wagon R has more features and less price than cultus, I am not sure how it would behave on motorway at speeds of 120km/h. Especially given how windy it can get on an open road like M2. I am just thinking if the car will not be able to maintain motorway speeds on those long curves of the road, especially with windy conditions. A little body roll is expected on a tall car like Wagon r but I want to know how much is the swing. is it light swing or does the car feel like 'tilting over' in high speed and strong winds. I am looking for honest reviews so please let me know friends as it will be very helpful. I have gone through all wagon r paksuzuki club pages but didnt find any specific answer.

    Please no discussion of other cars in the range like faw v2 or JDM imports as there are many threads already on such topics. I just want to know the behaviour of PakSuzuki Wagon R on motorways and highways.

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    Wagon R body shape does not show modern design elements if you look at JDM 1000cc cars you will understand what i am trying to explain here, body look and shape should be design in such a way that there should be less air and car body friction otherwise you will always have road grip issue on such cars on highways!

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    Suzuki kheyber and cultus have excellent road grip if they are in original stock conditions!

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    Quote Originally Posted by shani7494 View Post
    Cultus has an excellent road grip just came from sargodha in 1 hours 45 min on 2012 cultus top speed I went to 140km/h. Its road grip is good and solid.
    140km/h be safe bro I know who ridiculous car it is when it comes to handling and breaking if something suddenly come in your way it almost impossible to avoid accident

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    Quote Originally Posted by saboor73 View Post
    Define "JUNK" the parts of wagon r 98% imported it build quality is excellent it engine is of same tech of JDM alto and if shape is the only negative point you have in your mind then I can say I am seen much uglier JDM than PKDM wagon r
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    Quote Originally Posted by saboor73 View Post
    height?? seriously when I was buying liana every one was like it tall it looses road grip above 100km/h but I have taken these car to 180km/h and it didn't wobble or swing wagon r is heavier than cultus with better suspension road grip is much better than cultus
    Better suspension? Mate, Cultus has 4 wheel independent suspension, and while it's not exactly a Honda Double Wishbone experience, it's quite sticky and well balanced on its own right, nothing to be compared with something called 'Wagon'.

    And something called 'Wagon' is bound to be dodgy at high speeds. Tall cars generally have bad aerodynamics and higher centre of gravity- those are the laws of physics, no arguing about that.

    You don't have to have driven both to deduce that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by muradi View Post
    Yar app Suzuki ke Brand Ambassador ho Kya??
    LOL I will be getting my Cheque my tomorrow if not then I won't be any more

    note:the above statement is just a joke don't take it seriously

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    Quote Originally Posted by uiv View Post
    Better suspension? Mate, Cultus has 4 wheel independent suspension, and while it's not exactly a Honda Double Wishbone experience, it's quite sticky and well balanced on its own right, nothing to be compared with something called 'Wagon'.

    And something called 'Wagon' is bound to be dodgy at high speeds. Tall cars generally have bad aerodynamics and higher centre of gravity- those are the laws of physics, no arguing about that.

    You don't have to have driven both to deduce that.
    sir I know a tall car will face more resistance but how tall wagon r is I have taken a BOLAN dabaa from hyd to khi and it didn't swing or wobble so I think wagon r will perform better

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    I have a colleague who has a a wagon-R, he regularly drives it on motorway and Multan Road due to professional reasons, he has taken it to 150km/h on Faisalabad/LHR motorway without any issues....Just need to change the tyres and your a good to go....My cousin takes it to 120km with stock tyres and there was no issues with grip or braking...

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    Quote Originally Posted by saboor73 View Post
    sir I know a tall car will face more resistance but how tall wagon r is I have taken a BOLAN dabaa from hyd to khi and it didn't swing or wobble so I think wagon r will perform better
    Bolan and other vans cannot be compared to front-engine cars. Bolan was mid-engined and extremely stable because the engine was very low down.
    An argument in the 7-seater minivan vs 7-seater SUV war is that SUV engine is higher so the centre-of-gravity is higher and the car is front-heavy also, so it is more prone to rollover.

    Now Wagon R has same profile as Bolan but engine up front so it will be different.

    And also Bolan is very stable compared to what you may feel when you see it, but it does not mean it doesn't swing or wobble.
    Going towards Karachi the wind direction is from 2 o'clock, or from the front right of the car. So the car keeps going left. You need to have permanent counter-steer. Just turn the steering a little to the right otherwise the wind will gradually blow you in the left track.
    Specially when overtaking dump truck (they have only 8-9 ton load so they run at around 90 kph), it is a problem, because of the flat front they are pushing a lot of air to the side, if you attempt overtaking from the left, not only the car is difficult to control, it can overturn because the effect of west wind and the effect of wind pushed to the side by the truck is maximized. One day Bolan came off 2 of its wheels (right hand side in the air), but then stabilized itself due to pure luck and due to quick-minded steering/accelerator manipulation and also due to mid-engine and the engine is also very low to make it stable!

    If a bus overtakes Bolan or Bolan overtakes bus then there is the same problem too.

    In another case, there was Suzuki Ravi trying to overtake a dump truck. The Ravi had much difficulty overtaking the dump truck, since Ravi and Bolan both are very thin Bolan went between the dump truck and Ravi to overtake both of them! But Bolan did not take into account the wind effect blowing from the front of the dump truck! So the the wind pushed the Bolan 3-feet to the right! But the Ravi was already on the right! But the Ravi did not have any load so it was pushed even more, creating an even bigger space for Bolan!

    But a lot of counter-steer is required to keep Bolan in place. Overtaking a truck, Bolan on the right, have to turn the steering too much to the left just to negate the effect of wind. Otherwise the direction of car will change. But if it starts lifting this side in the air then ease a little bit, it will create distance between the truck and Bolan and the wind pressure will be reduced a lot, but you need to have margin on the right for this. If you keep struggling in the same position, then the wind will lift and turn the Bolan turtle.

    There is a reason why luxury cars are so heavy, to make the driver more comfortable, to reduce the tiredness which would happen because of continuous steering correction. And to make the overtakes more effortless without thinking all the time which destabilizing effect is going to come in from which side!

    Drive very carefully ... it is famous for being unstable, but it is very stable when you drive it ... that's why people drive it like mid-engine RWD racer! But the wind effect can easily destabilise it if you are not extremely alert. Because of the slab-sided body shape.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saboor73 View Post
    the pkdm cultus is just not for highway I have very bad experience taking a cultus to highway
    my cultus is 110k kms driven MA and never had any bad experience on highway.what kind of problem you encountered?
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    Quote Originally Posted by muradi View Post
    Yar app Suzuki ke Brand Ambassador ho Kya??
    bhai Liana hai ak pakistan main best

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    i own khyber , have 2002 city , 2005 vti! but i can still feel that khyber has awesome road grip and its a very good hatchback for highway! what an old piece of beauty it is! i totally love khyber! @op .....city 2009-10 will be much better for you! just my opinion btw wagon r has alot of advantages in city driving

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    Quote Originally Posted by umarkhan1 View Post
    my cultus is 110k kms driven MA and never had any bad experience on highway.what kind of problem you encountered?
    the break and handling pathetic once we (me and my friend) were going to hyderabad from karachi my friend was driving and car was somewhere near 95-100km/h and suddenly a truck tried to come on the road from other side friend flashed light horned but the driver didn't responded and came a head the and it gave us a heart attack as the break and handling was so pathetic that we harldy escaped a bad crash

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    Quote Originally Posted by saboor73 View Post
    the break and handling pathetic once we (me and my friend) were going to hyderabad from karachi my friend was driving and car was somewhere near 95-100km/h and suddenly a truck tried to come on the road from other side friend flashed light horned but the driver didn't responded and came a head the and it gave us a heart attack as the break and handling was so pathetic that we harldy escaped a bad crash
    the only thing which i hate in cultus is brake and cabin noise.rest handling is awesome.your car might be at some fault. e.g spacers/bad alignment,bad tires result in bad handling.i have personally kept mehran,alto,santro and cultus has got the best driving experience.
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    @OP incrise ur budget and buy an Axxio for 12.5 to 14 lacs
    do not buy wagon r for motorway use
    tall boy = more wind resistance
    simple physics
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    I think Suzuki APV is also tall but it has no issues on the highway. however it is heavier too. I would request owners who have taken their cars to motorway or highways to comment please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ekdrifter View Post
    @OP incrise ur budget and buy an Axxio for 12.5 to 14 lacs
    do not buy wagon r for motorway use
    tall boy = more wind resistance
    simple physics
    tall isn't the only factor if a car is too much bulky with very less weight it will suffer the same way a tall car does

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    Quote Originally Posted by saboor73 View Post
    LOL I will be getting my Cheque my tomorrow if not then I won't be any more

    note:the above statement is just a joke don't take it seriously
    i hope that cheque bounces
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    Quote Originally Posted by harib4u View Post
    bhai Liana hai ak pakistan main best
    Liana is the best car made in the history of the World,
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