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    Assalam o Alaikum Everyone.
    From the past few days a hot argument is going on between Wagon R Owners and Jdm Owners which is doing nothing but creating hatred and in the end jdm owners r accused of being so called " DEALERS " and afraid of their cars not being sold due to the amazing Success of Wagon R (LOL)
    Similar many examples r available and r creating alot of Misconceptions and Confusing potential Buyers.

    Japanese Cars:
    There is absolutely no doubt on the fact that these cars r very much advanced then the local cars manufactured here. Have a lot of attractive features and are light on fuel aswell.
    The Goods of Jdms:
    1. Much Advanced Cars with very good built quality
    2. Much Stronger.
    3. Alot of Safety Features.
    4. More Spacious
    5. Light on fuel
    6. More Reliable.
    7. Easy to drive ( in case of 660cc )
    8. Have even more features than a top of the line civic at almost half the cost
    The Bads:
    1. Side Mirrors, ( They r easily removable and expensive. Although local car mirrors arent safe as well i.e Corolla )
    2. Parts r Considerably Expensive. ( Although market cars like Mira and Alto have spares priced similar to pkdms )
    The Myths:
    1. Jdms. Especially 660cc r unreliable and heatup on long routes.
    This is not true at all. These engines are very powerful and can easily bear continuous long drives with ease.
    2. Jdms die with heavy weight. ( 660 )
    To an extent this is true, but doesn't mean that car will die with 4 people on board. If u have a small family like a couple with children 660 is fit for you. but if u r going to fit 4 100kgs+ Pehelwans inside the car will surely hesitate
    3. The Engine is very advanced and can not be understood by mechanics in pak.
    That is a big joke. The Car does not use some special engine from another universe, It uses a normal Efi engine which is now found in almost every pkdm new car and a mechanic working on a pdm car can easily work on a jdm.
    4. Car touches alot of speed breakers.
    Yes but same is the case with majority of pkdms, Blame the speed breakers not the Car
    5. Jdms are not value for money.
    If jdms r not value for money, then is 7 Lacs for a Mehran and 10 Lacs for a Cultus value for money?
    6. Jdms have Zero Resale.
    Jdms r the first choice of dealers to make money and gives alot of profit. Many owners have sold them on profit as they dont have a fixed value and their value keeps changing.
    7. Jdms r mostly Accidented
    Not All Jdms are accidented, Some are, Its the Buyers responsibility to get the car checked by a denter and ask for an auction sheet from the dealer and get it verified. And not just jdms we should get pkdms checked aswell as brand new pdms can also get hit and r locally repaired at dealerships before delivery,
    8.JDMS r Sluggish and have no pick
    They r designed to obtain optimum Fuel Economy and not for street racing . The CVT tranny isn't fun but helps to keep the rpm stable and to achieve max fuel economy, That is the reason why Vitz has a low pick at starting.
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    The Reason of creating this thread was to clear up all the misconceptions growing up and to end the hatred being built among members.
    Another funny thing.
    Iv'e heard many members saying when anyone says something supporting jdm. " He is a dealer, Humari gari ki waja se in ka kaam band hogaya hai is liye bechare pareshan hai " . People, Please be sensible, We have better things to do in life rather than doing such crap here. Calling someone a dealer because he is with jdms is the height of wisdom . I or any jdm supporter have absolutely no link with buying, selling or importing jdms. I own a Pkdm and im pretty happy with it. ( Will be posting a detailed comparison bw Swift and Vitz aswell ).
    Peace
    MOD Edit: This is not a Jdm Vs Pkdm thread.
    this thread is to clear the misconceptions growing and confusing members about jdms.
    No Personal Attacks,
    Kindly keep this thread Clean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by huzaifa.haroon View Post
    Because there is no version of cultus which comes with power steering , windows etc from the factory
    correction, VXL came with such stuff but was discontinued 5 years back
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    Quote Originally Posted by muradi View Post
    The simple point which i am trying to say is.
    Okay, Jay Dee Emms might not be the best but.

    1. There is no good car in the budget of 1m for a common man
    2. Mehran is priced ridiculously for 7 lacs. This car should have been discontinued 10yrs back.
    3. Cultus is insanely overpriced at 11 lacs with unaligned doors and many issues.
    4. Wagon R. No comments.
    Then what else do we have. What should we buy?

    please collectively define common man.

    one says a common man is "life savings" to buy a car

    one says a common man should have more than one car just in case
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    Quote Originally Posted by muradi View Post
    correction, VXL came with such stuff but was discontinued 5 years back
    Hmm , Ok , Im sorry you can consult scrapyard then
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xulfiqar View Post
    please collectively define common man.

    one says a common man is "life savings" to buy a car

    one says a common man should have more than one car just in case
    A common man IMO is the one who years about 150k p.m, lives respectfully and can afford to keep one car, can afford its maintenance, needs a car which is fully powered and starts on half self and keeps him cool with chilling A.C, and cultus does not fill any of these requirements except " Resale "
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    some mentioned cultus
    it has very very expensive spares in used market
    steering rack is for 7000 non power and HPS one without pump is 15k
    do the math!
    brake disks 2200 a piece that in used market
    why many think cultus has cheap spares and 0 meter piece of mind stuff that is all a LIE.
    i have seen and not making it up a 0 meter cultus with a bent frame from dealership have some pics of it in my cell which i will post
    0 meter no worries this is all a lie.
    and WR don't get me started on that thingy...
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    lets take a situation

    the below picture is a mercedes benz which has rusted badly

    JDMs The Misconceptions and Myths -1579429

    you can see its pretty ugly. Car has lived a salty life though.

    this presents two situations IMO

    case 1 = MB are crap - their build quality sucks because they rust out.

    case 2 = this car has completed its life (more than 15 years old). after life in salty area.


    your case?
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    Quote Originally Posted by muradi View Post
    A common man IMO is the one who years about 150k p.m, lives respectfully and can afford to keep one car, can afford its maintenance, needs a car which is fully powered and starts on half self and keeps him cool with chilling A.C, and cultus does not fill any of these requirements except " Resale "

    so you suggest your signature when the common man has to cough up expenses for "import" of service parts like transmission parts and has to wait half a month? - so he hires a taxi for the rest half?

    I believe resale was never a requirement as cars are not investments
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xulfiqar View Post
    lets take a situation

    the below picture is a mercedes benz which has rusted badly

    JDMs The Misconceptions and Myths -1579429n

    you can see its pretty ugly. Car has lived a salty life though.

    this presents two situations IMO

    case 1 = MB are crap - their build quality sucks because they rust out.

    case 2 = this car has completed its life (more than 15 years old). after life in salty area.


    your case?
    Case two is obviously the reality.
    But here these problems r being seen in 1-3 yrs old local rides.
    IMO cars should be scrapped after 15yrs whether jdm or pdm or german..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xulfiqar View Post
    lets take a situation

    the below picture is a mercedes benz which has rusted badly

    JDMs The Misconceptions and Myths -1579429

    you can see its pretty ugly. Car has lived a salty life though.

    this presents two situations IMO

    case 1 = MB are crap - their build quality sucks because they rust out.

    case 2 = this car has completed its life (more than 15 years old). after life in salty area.


    your case?
    If a Merc takes 15 years , JDM takes 10-15 years a Suzuki takes just 2 years and you still want people to buy suzuki because it is backed by manufacturer support ? It has parts ? Oh yes and i forgot in Mehran you can change the whole body
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xulfiqar View Post
    so you suggest your signature when the common man has to cough up expenses for "import" of service parts like transmission parts and has to wait half a month? - so he hires a taxi for the rest half?

    I believe resale was never a requirement as cars are not investments
    And still you think that shahnawaz has all parts of Mercedes available in stock and he does not get them imported for you? So, basically you are saying a Merc parts would be fitted in a day or two.
    These BMW and Merc are stupid cars , you can't get anything done yourself , its like buying something and not getting it's full possession
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    Compare gaps and see how door is inside plus engine bay pic which I lost had clear detail that cultus bechari is done but sold at 1033k to some guy
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    Jdms are value for money, New pkdm are over priced , maybe altis and civic offer better value for money as they have few admireable specs and are new however GLi, XLi, Cultus, Swift, Mehran.etc are way overpriced

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    Quote Originally Posted by ekdrifter View Post
    Compare gaps and see how door is inside plus engine bay pic which I lost had clear detail that cultus bechari is done but sold at 1033k to some guy
    Its still value for money. Ain't it?
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    perspective change applied


    lets take another failure
    JDMs The Misconceptions and Myths -1579436
    This is the electrics kit of the mursdeez NAG1 hatometick ghyebuxa. It has been superseded 3 times in design, the last upgrade is only sold by MB, one can buy a new one from a local benz agent (shnwz ltd), install it, fill er up with ATF and be on your merry way.

    Do you have the same support for your JDM import locally?


    btw - reason to show such part is because this plate is not usable from old scrapped gearbox, the speed sensors are almost always cracked and the plastic is fatigued, removal almost always breaks it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuwaiti View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by huzaifa.haroon View Post
    And still you think that shahnawaz has all parts of Mercedes available in stock and he does not get them imported for you? So, basically you are saying a Merc parts would be fitted in a day or two.
    These BMW and Merc are stupid cars , you can't get anything done yourself , its like buying something and not getting it's full possession
    Yes they do - they are called agents for a reason, they can be held responsible for the name they are branding.. Yes I have bought parts from them - quite a lot too.

    Agent importing parts and a private import are two different avenues.
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    Yes. This is a Brand New Swift parked at a Suzuki Showroom, Brand New, I repeat, Brand New.. @Xulfiqar , @saboor73
    JDMs The Misconceptions and Myths -1579437JDMs The Misconceptions and Myths -1579438JDMs The Misconceptions and Myths -1579439JDMs The Misconceptions and Myths -1579440JDMs The Misconceptions and Myths -1579441
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xulfiqar View Post
    perspective change applied


    lets take another failure
    JDMs The Misconceptions and Myths -1579436
    This is the electrics kit of the mursdeez NAG1 hatometick ghyebuxa. It has been superseded 3 times in design, the last upgrade is only sold by MB, one can buy a new one from a local benz agent (shnwz ltd), install it, fill er up with ATF and be on your merry way.

    Do you have the same support for your JDM import locally?


    btw - reason to show such part is because this plate is not usable from old scrapped gearbox, the speed sensors are almost always cracked and the plastic is fatigued, removal almost always breaks it.
    You can import them within days (3-4 days)
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    While considering purchase and then resale of the cars you need to consider depreciation and utility,For instance what wear and tear the car faced over use and what benefit it gave you over period of time as you can not count it out, I buy out a pepsi can for rupees 70 and drink it to half,cant expect it to sell at 70 rupees,As i have gained my share of utility and satisifaction however if i dont think that the utility was greater than the amount i faced upon purchase or slight difference at resale, I should have considered it back then at purchase that what sort of utility i desire, For instance,I pay up 2 million on purchase, use the car for 8 to 12 months,In which car serves me well and has its share of wear and tear as it should not be bothered that it sells for 1.9 or 1.8 million, because it served its purpose of use and utility along with its wear and tear, Also in that period i might be able to save up some amount as to negate the availability of finance in that mark later

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