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    Lightbulb JDMs, The Misconceptions and Myths.

    Assalam o Alaikum Everyone.
    From the past few days a hot argument is going on between Wagon R Owners and Jdm Owners which is doing nothing but creating hatred and in the end jdm owners r accused of being so called " DEALERS " and afraid of their cars not being sold due to the amazing Success of Wagon R (LOL)
    Similar many examples r available and r creating alot of Misconceptions and Confusing potential Buyers.

    Japanese Cars:
    There is absolutely no doubt on the fact that these cars r very much advanced then the local cars manufactured here. Have a lot of attractive features and are light on fuel aswell.
    The Goods of Jdms:
    1. Much Advanced Cars with very good built quality
    2. Much Stronger.
    3. Alot of Safety Features.
    4. More Spacious
    5. Light on fuel
    6. More Reliable.
    7. Easy to drive ( in case of 660cc )
    8. Have even more features than a top of the line civic at almost half the cost
    The Bads:
    1. Side Mirrors, ( They r easily removable and expensive. Although local car mirrors arent safe as well i.e Corolla )
    2. Parts r Considerably Expensive. ( Although market cars like Mira and Alto have spares priced similar to pkdms )
    The Myths:
    1. Jdms. Especially 660cc r unreliable and heatup on long routes.
    This is not true at all. These engines are very powerful and can easily bear continuous long drives with ease.
    2. Jdms die with heavy weight. ( 660 )
    To an extent this is true, but doesn't mean that car will die with 4 people on board. If u have a small family like a couple with children 660 is fit for you. but if u r going to fit 4 100kgs+ Pehelwans inside the car will surely hesitate
    3. The Engine is very advanced and can not be understood by mechanics in pak.
    That is a big joke. The Car does not use some special engine from another universe, It uses a normal Efi engine which is now found in almost every pkdm new car and a mechanic working on a pdm car can easily work on a jdm.
    4. Car touches alot of speed breakers.
    Yes but same is the case with majority of pkdms, Blame the speed breakers not the Car
    5. Jdms are not value for money.
    If jdms r not value for money, then is 7 Lacs for a Mehran and 10 Lacs for a Cultus value for money?
    6. Jdms have Zero Resale.
    Jdms r the first choice of dealers to make money and gives alot of profit. Many owners have sold them on profit as they dont have a fixed value and their value keeps changing.
    7. Jdms r mostly Accidented
    Not All Jdms are accidented, Some are, Its the Buyers responsibility to get the car checked by a denter and ask for an auction sheet from the dealer and get it verified. And not just jdms we should get pkdms checked aswell as brand new pdms can also get hit and r locally repaired at dealerships before delivery,
    8.JDMS r Sluggish and have no pick
    They r designed to obtain optimum Fuel Economy and not for street racing . The CVT tranny isn't fun but helps to keep the rpm stable and to achieve max fuel economy, That is the reason why Vitz has a low pick at starting.
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    The Reason of creating this thread was to clear up all the misconceptions growing up and to end the hatred being built among members.
    Another funny thing.
    Iv'e heard many members saying when anyone says something supporting jdm. " He is a dealer, Humari gari ki waja se in ka kaam band hogaya hai is liye bechare pareshan hai " . People, Please be sensible, We have better things to do in life rather than doing such crap here. Calling someone a dealer because he is with jdms is the height of wisdom . I or any jdm supporter have absolutely no link with buying, selling or importing jdms. I own a Pkdm and im pretty happy with it. ( Will be posting a detailed comparison bw Swift and Vitz aswell ).
    Peace
    MOD Edit: This is not a Jdm Vs Pkdm thread.
    this thread is to clear the misconceptions growing and confusing members about jdms.
    No Personal Attacks,
    Kindly keep this thread Clean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by archon2001 View Post
    No most of them are dancing cars( pk wali dancing car). Personally witness about dancing car issue while my brief/short visit to japan.
    Btw dancing car act starts from friday eve.
    And here in pakistan we can say abt jdm " bhai abhi tak spotless bilkul brand new jaise khasboo aa rahi hai interior say".
    Lolz Dancing Cars
    Well urmm, looks like there is a shortage of homes in japan
    Then i assume suspension issues bhi hoon gaye, lemme get my cars suspension checked ASAP
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    Everyone it is my request stop fighting and arguing with each other, The thread has again turned into a Jay Dee Emm Vs Pee Kay Dee Emm Warzone......
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    Quote Originally Posted by khizar44 View Post
    Have you lost it, the 1994 Corollas are all JDM's and for your kind information Toyota Indus cars were produced in 1998.
    You have lost your mind son,

    Indus Motors rolled out the first 100 series corolla in 1993 from their Bin Qasim Plant. And it was only offered in 3 finish shades

    primer gray
    white
    parrot green - or Pakistan green as they called it.

    all of them were XE grade with the 1.3 carby engine - all manual interior except for steering and all were gray vinyl finish interior.

    the GL grade came out in December 1994 - the first batch of them were CBU units from Japan, but were called GEM (General Export model) not JDM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VCheng View Post
    What recall? As far as the manufacturer is concerned, those VINs have been destroyed and off the books.

    as I said - make them road legal again.. --- aka not happening.
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    Here is a situation, Kindly leave all the previous crap and focus on this...
    Mr X, A Branch Manager of a well known bank, Earning approx 150k P.M. Father of two Children and a Faithful Wife. Lives in an Apartment in D.H.A, Living a very peaceful and respectful life and is very happy.
    Now Mr X Bank is in Sharah-e-Faisal, He has to travel 30kms daily from D.H.A to Sharah-e-Faisal and back.
    Now he has a budget of Pkr 1.Million. Hatchback is what he needs.
    These r his requirements.
    1. A brand New Car or atleast 3 yrs old used car with low mile.
    2. Power Steering.
    3. Power Windows.
    4. Power Mirrors.
    5. A.B.S ( Preferable. )
    6. Should have excellent road grip and fun to drive.
    7. Khi's weather is awful. Must have excellent A.C
    8. Fuel Efficient.
    9. Should not be a Mechanics Girlfriend.
    10. Should have immobilizer aswell.
    Kindly recommend him a good pkdm which fullfills all the above
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    so all of you guys commenting on "build quality"

    what brand of refrigerator or airconditioner do you buy for yourself in Pakistan?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xulfiqar View Post
    so all of you guys commenting on "build quality"

    what brand of refrigerator or airconditioner do you buy for yourself in Pakistan?
    Kenwood
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    Quote Originally Posted by muradi View Post
    Here is a situation, Kindly leave all the previous crap and focus on this...
    Mr X, A Branch Manager of a well known bank, Earning approx 150k P.M. Father of two Children and a Faithful Wife. Lives in an Apartment in D.H.A, Living a very peaceful and respectful life and is very happy.
    Now Mr X Bank is in Sharah-e-Faisal, He has to travel 30kms daily from D.H.A to Sharah-e-Faisal and back.
    Now he has a budget of Pkr 1.Million. Hatchback is what he needs.
    These r his requirements.
    1. A brand New Car or atleast 3 yrs old used car with low mile.
    2. Power Steering.
    3. Power Windows.
    4. Power Mirrors.
    5. A.B.S ( Preferable. )
    6. Should have excellent road grip and fun to drive.
    7. Khi's weather is awful. Must have excellent A.C
    8. Fuel Efficient.
    9. Should not be a Mechanics Girlfriend.
    10. Should have immobilizer aswell.
    Kindly recommend him a good pkdm which fullfills all the above
    Mitsubishi Mirage fits in the best

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    Quote Originally Posted by silentassassin1 View Post
    Mitsubishi Mirage fits in the best
    bro pkdm, jdms to buhat hain to fulfill these requirements.
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    Quote Originally Posted by muradi View Post
    Here is a situation, Kindly leave all the previous crap and focus on this...
    Mr X, A Branch Manager of a well known bank, Earning approx 150k P.M. Father of two Children and a Faithful Wife. Lives in an Apartment in D.H.A, Living a very peaceful and respectful life and is very happy.
    Now Mr X Bank is in Sharah-e-Faisal, He has to travel 30kms daily from D.H.A to Sharah-e-Faisal and back.
    Now he has a budget of Pkr 1.Million. Hatchback is what he needs.
    These r his requirements.
    1. A brand New Car or atleast 3 yrs old used car with low mile.
    2. Power Steering.
    3. Power Windows.
    4. Power Mirrors.
    5. A.B.S ( Preferable. )
    6. Should have excellent road grip and fun to drive.
    7. Khi's weather is awful. Must have excellent A.C
    8. Fuel Efficient.
    9. Should not be a Mechanics Girlfriend.
    10. Should have immobilizer aswell.
    Kindly recommend him a good pkdm which fullfills all the above
    now let me spin the table.

    Mr Bank manager - buys a JDM bulbul, whilst driving he faces Karachi storms which flood his car, conks out the ECU, SRS and other wiring modules. He has it towed to Tariq Road for repair where he is presented with a bill of Rs 150,000/- to get it back to running condition ---> please note running - running = not perfect by any sense.

    further more Mr Bank Manager is told that he has to wait 2 weeks for the "used" parts to arrive... and then is told "elektric kaam ki koi grantee nahi hai bhai"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xulfiqar View Post
    so all of you guys commenting on "build quality"

    what brand of refrigerator or airconditioner do you buy for yourself in Pakistan?
    In discussion of vehicles one brings up refrigerator. Thumbs up sir

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    Quote Originally Posted by muradi View Post
    Kenwood
    why? - Kenwood is a piece of ****, why not a meile Refrigerator and a Carrier AC?
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    Quote Originally Posted by silentassassin1 View Post
    In discussion of vehicles one brings up refrigerator. Thumbs up sir

    Its also a machine for utility and carries similar value to a person, It stores food items (food = vital)
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    Quote Originally Posted by muradi View Post
    Here is a situation, Kindly leave all the previous crap and focus on this...
    Mr X, A Branch Manager of a well known bank, Earning approx 150k P.M. Father of two Children and a Faithful Wife. Lives in an Apartment in D.H.A, Living a very peaceful and respectful life and is very happy.
    Now Mr X Bank is in Sharah-e-Faisal, He has to travel 30kms daily from D.H.A to Sharah-e-Faisal and back.
    Now he has a budget of Pkr 1.Million. Hatchback is what he needs.
    These r his requirements.
    1. A brand New Car or atleast 3 yrs old used car with low mile.
    2. Power Steering.
    3. Power Windows.
    4. Power Mirrors.
    5. A.B.S ( Preferable. )
    6. Should have excellent road grip and fun to drive.
    7. Khi's weather is awful. Must have excellent A.C
    8. Fuel Efficient.
    9. Should not be a Mechanics Girlfriend.
    10. Should have immobilizer aswell.
    Kindly recommend him a good pkdm which fullfills all the above
    Quote Originally Posted by Xulfiqar View Post
    now let me spin the table.

    Mr Bank manager - buys a JDM bulbul, whilst driving he faces Karachi storms which flood his car, conks out the ECU, SRS and other wiring modules. He has it towed to Tariq Road for repair where he is presented with a bill of Rs 150,000/- to get it back to running condition ---> please note running - running = not perfect by any sense.

    further more Mr Bank Manager is told that he has to wait 2 weeks for the "used" parts to arrive... and then is told "elektric kaam ki koi grantee nahi hai bhai"
    Both of you make good points. To me, it seems that the choice depends on how important one regards servicing and availability of parts. To some, it may be far more important than others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xulfiqar View Post
    Its also a machine for utility and carries similar value to a person, It stores food items (food = vital)
    However both serve different purpose, Also the vehicles take up more proportion of income so they would want higher utility from them bringing a better value for money and as you said food is vital unlike vehicles, They both fall under different catagory as being one (Vehicle) is a higher superior good.

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    Parts are reasonably available bas dhoondanay wala hona chahye.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VCheng View Post
    Both of you make good points. To me, it seems that the choice depends on how important one regards servicing and availability of parts. To some, it may be far more important than others.
    I wrote from experience of wrenching on cars, when I was repairing them, it was extremely painful to find parts like finding alladin's lamp - I think I always aimed too high to have a perfect repair job that lasted a while for a customer.

    I myself owned a mk2 VW Golf in Pakistan - all its parts were bought from outside Pakistan and even being in the trade/business it was not exactly a merry ride. Infact I had to make a small inventory for myself for service parts like wheel bearings, brake parts, suspension items, rubber parts, electrical items like glow plug controller, radiator/radiator fan, lamp assemblies - its headlamps were even not available in Pakistan.

    Yes it was a hoot to drive, super miserly on fuel, 42 litres diesel for 1000 kms driving. Could load up a whole lot of luggage too along with 5 passengers in the cab.

    But I never recommended anyone to buy it or anything similar to it unless its a toy for them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by silentassassin1 View Post
    However both serve different purpose, Also the vehicles take up more proportion of income so they would want higher utility from them bringing a better value for money and as you said food is vital unlike vehicles, They both fall under different catagory as being one (Vehicle) is a higher superior good.
    that is false economy IMO, a refrigerator is also classed as a dependable utility and it would be bad to buy one again within a short amount of time (e.g. 2 years) - a Meile refrigerator will quietly keep on running for 2 decades.

    My concern was build quality.. which we can see above - the person replied with Kenwood - which is terrible if one wants "good build quality"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xulfiqar View Post
    I wrote from experience of wrenching on cars, when I was repairing them, it was extremely painful to find parts like finding alladin's lamp - I think I always aimed too high to have a perfect repair job that lasted a while for a customer.

    I myself owned a mk2 VW Golf in Pakistan - all its parts were bought from outside Pakistan and even being in the trade/business it was not exactly a merry ride. Infact I had to make a small inventory for myself for service parts like wheel bearings, brake parts, suspension items, rubber parts, electrical items like glow plug controller, radiator/radiator fan, lamp assemblies - its headlamps were even not available in Pakistan.

    Yes it was a hoot to drive, super miserly on fuel, 42 litres diesel for 1000 kms driving. Could load up a whole lot of luggage too along with 5 passengers in the cab.

    But I never recommended anyone to buy it or anything similar to it unless its a toy for them.
    And yet people like VWs too, despite all these issues. A friend of mine had a VW Dasher that he brought back from Germany and kept it in tip top shape. It was damaged one day by a bomb blast in a Pakistani city and he ended up being injured. His request to the visiting dictator General Zia ul Haq while in hospital? Spare parts to repair the car including the windshield.

    Like I said, some people like the driving experience of uncommon imported cars enough to put up with all such hassles. Some don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silentassassin1 View Post
    Parts are reasonably available bas dhoondanay wala hona chahye.
    Please find me a "new" transmission assembly for a 2014 toyota Vitz (CVT)
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