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    Lightbulb JDMs, The Misconceptions and Myths.

    Assalam o Alaikum Everyone.
    From the past few days a hot argument is going on between Wagon R Owners and Jdm Owners which is doing nothing but creating hatred and in the end jdm owners r accused of being so called " DEALERS " and afraid of their cars not being sold due to the amazing Success of Wagon R (LOL)
    Similar many examples r available and r creating alot of Misconceptions and Confusing potential Buyers.

    Japanese Cars:
    There is absolutely no doubt on the fact that these cars r very much advanced then the local cars manufactured here. Have a lot of attractive features and are light on fuel aswell.
    The Goods of Jdms:
    1. Much Advanced Cars with very good built quality
    2. Much Stronger.
    3. Alot of Safety Features.
    4. More Spacious
    5. Light on fuel
    6. More Reliable.
    7. Easy to drive ( in case of 660cc )
    8. Have even more features than a top of the line civic at almost half the cost
    The Bads:
    1. Side Mirrors, ( They r easily removable and expensive. Although local car mirrors arent safe as well i.e Corolla )
    2. Parts r Considerably Expensive. ( Although market cars like Mira and Alto have spares priced similar to pkdms )
    The Myths:
    1. Jdms. Especially 660cc r unreliable and heatup on long routes.
    This is not true at all. These engines are very powerful and can easily bear continuous long drives with ease.
    2. Jdms die with heavy weight. ( 660 )
    To an extent this is true, but doesn't mean that car will die with 4 people on board. If u have a small family like a couple with children 660 is fit for you. but if u r going to fit 4 100kgs+ Pehelwans inside the car will surely hesitate
    3. The Engine is very advanced and can not be understood by mechanics in pak.
    That is a big joke. The Car does not use some special engine from another universe, It uses a normal Efi engine which is now found in almost every pkdm new car and a mechanic working on a pdm car can easily work on a jdm.
    4. Car touches alot of speed breakers.
    Yes but same is the case with majority of pkdms, Blame the speed breakers not the Car
    5. Jdms are not value for money.
    If jdms r not value for money, then is 7 Lacs for a Mehran and 10 Lacs for a Cultus value for money?
    6. Jdms have Zero Resale.
    Jdms r the first choice of dealers to make money and gives alot of profit. Many owners have sold them on profit as they dont have a fixed value and their value keeps changing.
    7. Jdms r mostly Accidented
    Not All Jdms are accidented, Some are, Its the Buyers responsibility to get the car checked by a denter and ask for an auction sheet from the dealer and get it verified. And not just jdms we should get pkdms checked aswell as brand new pdms can also get hit and r locally repaired at dealerships before delivery,
    8.JDMS r Sluggish and have no pick
    They r designed to obtain optimum Fuel Economy and not for street racing . The CVT tranny isn't fun but helps to keep the rpm stable and to achieve max fuel economy, That is the reason why Vitz has a low pick at starting.
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    The Reason of creating this thread was to clear up all the misconceptions growing up and to end the hatred being built among members.
    Another funny thing.
    Iv'e heard many members saying when anyone says something supporting jdm. " He is a dealer, Humari gari ki waja se in ka kaam band hogaya hai is liye bechare pareshan hai " . People, Please be sensible, We have better things to do in life rather than doing such crap here. Calling someone a dealer because he is with jdms is the height of wisdom . I or any jdm supporter have absolutely no link with buying, selling or importing jdms. I own a Pkdm and im pretty happy with it. ( Will be posting a detailed comparison bw Swift and Vitz aswell ).
    Peace
    MOD Edit: This is not a Jdm Vs Pkdm thread.
    this thread is to clear the misconceptions growing and confusing members about jdms.
    No Personal Attacks,
    Kindly keep this thread Clean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xulfiqar View Post
    that is false economy IMO, a refrigerator is also classed as a dependable utility and it would be bad to buy one again within a short amount of time (e.g. 2 years) - a Meile refrigerator will quietly keep on running for 2 decades.

    My concern was build quality.. which we can see above - the person replied with Kenwood - which is terrible if one wants "good build quality"
    I have mentioned about value for money up there, And quality is definitely to be considered, And in this do you think a Pkdm with sub standard specs will last longer than a quality jdm? Its not a false economy, Its straight forward that car takes up more proportion of income, And consumer wants it to have better value for money and i have personal experience of years with jdm and no issues at all nor it has given up as per claimed by your highness. I have seen many local cars as well giving up in period of 5 years due to abuse, Poor quality safety issues ,Hell an XLi does not even carry power windows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VCheng View Post
    And yet people like VWs too, despite all these issues. A friend of mine had a VW Dasher that he brought back from Germany and kept it in tip top shape. It was damaged one day by a bomb blast in a Pakistani city and he ended up being injured. His request to the visiting dictator General Zia ul Haq while in hospital? Spare parts to repair the car including the windshield.

    Like I said, some people like the driving experience of uncommon imported cars enough to put up with all such hassles. Some don't.
    Exactly my point.

    Im pretty sure your freind knew that he needed to be ready for downtime etc when his car required service.

    Now what would you say if your same freind sold his car to a common fellow claiming that each and every part is available and every local mechanic shop can repair it.
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    The only source for JDM cosmetic part & Mechani parts is SCRAP YARDs - The AIRCON compressor for 55000 & INVERTER cooling pump for a PRIUS is for 68000 brand new, while the Scrap parts are for 25000 & 38000 respectively with checking warranty only ! - [ original price for OEM NEW aircon compressor US$ 375 & US$200 ]. Both have started to FAIL since summer started because Inverter & radiator coolants are of different composition in Prius

    The OEM Toyota O2 sensor brand new is for 22000 for AXIO / PREMIO,

    JDM may be 1st choice for some, but the irony of a used orphan car with zero parts support is AWE^SOME !
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    @Xulfiqar So you want this consumer exploitation of highest level to go on like this, Due to this approach unfortunately we never were able to move forward, Big 3 never let new companies exceed nor the govt. provides consistent policies. JDMs have provided consumer knowledge on how they are being exploited and their further use and encouragement will let people know what they are being deprived of in substandard pkdms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silentassassin1 View Post
    I have mentioned about value for money up there, And quality is definitely to be considered, And in this do you think a Pkdm with sub standard specs will last longer than a quality jdm? Its not a false economy, Its straight forward that car takes up more proportion of income, And consumer wants it to have better value for money and i have personal experience of years with jdm and no issues at all nor it has given up as per claimed by your highness. I have seen many local cars as well giving up in period of 5 years due to abuse, Poor quality safety issues ,Hell an XLi does not even carry power windows.
    a machine that is out of commission is useless. No matter how pretty it looks

    a similar issue can be seen with small generators - the old Robin generators were incredible, you could run them all day long and use ghee instead of oil and expired petrol as fuel yet their little subaru engines never complained.

    What happened to the brand in Pakistan?

    Today all the robin gennys in Pakistan are lying in scrap as no one carried spare parts for their repair. Excellent build quality - but scrap in your country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xulfiqar View Post
    a machine that is out of commission is useless. No matter how pretty it looks

    a similar issue can be seen with small generators - the old Robin generators were incredible, you could run them all day long and use ghee instead of oil and expired petrol as fuel yet their little subaru engines never complained.

    What happened to the brand in Pakistan?

    Today all the robin gennys in Pakistan are lying in scrap as no one carried spare parts for their repair. Excellent build quality - but scrap in your country.
    According to you there is nothing to look forward to except a cultus or xli with laato se khulnay wali windows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by muradi View Post
    Here is a situation, Kindly leave all the previous crap and focus on this...
    Mr X, A Branch Manager of a well known bank, Earning approx 150k P.M. Father of two Children and a Faithful Wife. Lives in an Apartment in D.H.A, Living a very peaceful and respectful life and is very happy.
    Now Mr X Bank is in Sharah-e-Faisal, He has to travel 30kms daily from D.H.A to Sharah-e-Faisal and back.
    Now he has a budget of Pkr 1.Million. Hatchback is what he needs.
    These r his requirements.
    1. A brand New Car or atleast 3 yrs old used car with low mile.
    2. Power Steering.
    3. Power Windows.
    4. Power Mirrors.
    5. A.B.S ( Preferable. )
    6. Should have excellent road grip and fun to drive.
    7. Khi's weather is awful. Must have excellent A.C
    8. Fuel Efficient.
    9. Should not be a Mechanics Girlfriend.
    10. Should have immobilizer aswell.
    Kindly recommend him a good pkdm which fullfills all the above
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    Quote Originally Posted by silentassassin1 View Post
    @Xulfiqar So you want this consumer exploitation of highest level to go on like this, Due to this approach unfortunately we never were able to move forward, Big 3 never let new companies exceed nor the govt. provides consistent policies. JDMs have provided consumer knowledge on how they are being exploited and their further use and encouragement will let people know what they are being deprived of in substandard pkdms.
    There are better ways to prove a point - rather than making people lose money.. Face the fact that Pakistan is 50 years behind in everything , be it transport, be it development. You speak of luxuries and power windows, SRS airbags and crumple zones

    look at your local transport - instead of buses for mass transport, people are using qingqi ricksha, Unless Im blind those vehicles have no crumple zones, no airbags, no AC, no heating, no ergonomic seats, its even missing one wheel.

    You can only take one step at a time forward in reality. However in PW JDMistan. Everyone should spend their money on something that is worthless to prove a point that no one is even batting an eyelid on. That is equal to trying to jump a canyon, it works in imagination - but in reality you fall into the canyon and die.
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    @Xulfiqar you seem like a very intelligent and logical fellow. Just one question, when was the last time you sat in a pkdm. A very serious question

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    Quote Originally Posted by muradi View Post
    Everyone it is my request stop fighting and arguing with each other, The thread has again turned into a Jay Dee Emm Vs Pee Kay Dee Emm Warzone......
    healthy argument is not fighting ..even a bicycle user like me can offer some useless input as troll right !!!

    but I suggest this be moved to Humor / Joke section @VCheng @Libra
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    Quote Originally Posted by dayrider View Post
    @Xulfiqar you seem like a very intelligent and logical fellow. Just one question, when was the last time you sat in a pkdm. A very serious question
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    Quote Originally Posted by capsat View Post
    The only source for JDM cosmetic part & Mechani parts is SCRAP YARDs - The AIRCON compressor for 55000 & INVERTER cooling pump for a PRIUS is for 68000 brand new, while the Scrap parts are for 25000 & 38000 respectively with checking warranty only ! - [ original price for OEM NEW aircon compressor US$ 375 & US$200 ]. Both have started to FAIL since summer started because Inverter & radiator coolants are of different composition in Prius

    The OEM Toyota O2 sensor brand new is for 22000 for AXIO / PREMIO,

    JDM may be 1st choice for some, but the irony of a used orphan car with zero parts support is AWE^SOME !
    The amazing tap water coolant when used in Prius Inverter pump gives the owner "liquid poopie" after he prices out a part. - btw Toyota have superseded that part in late 2014, any junked item will be the old style.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xulfiqar View Post
    There are better ways to prove a point - rather than making people lose money.. Face the fact that Pakistan is 50 years behind in everything , be it transport, be it development. You speak of luxuries and power windows, SRS airbags and crumple zones

    look at your local transport - instead of buses for mass transport, people are using qingqi ricksha, Unless Im blind those vehicles have no crumple zones, no airbags, no AC, no heating, no ergonomic seats, its even missing one wheel.

    You can only take one step at a time forward in reality. However in PW JDMistan. Everyone should spend their money on something that is worthless to prove a point that no one is even batting an eyelid on.
    That is the difference between wealth distribution, Not everyone could afford personal vehicles, having said that, A consumer using a rickshaw is unlikely to have knoeledge on comparison among bus or rickshaw travel as they are uneducated and are likely to do guzara on anything however high end user with more income and knowledge is a different case,You cannot mention them in the same paragraph while considering a situation as both have differwnt knowledge levels and though process.

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    For Two whole years i traveled from Peshawer to Islamabad and back on each weekend my honda civic developed some issues but my 4 grade 1300cc Vitz well all i can say is that BULLETPROOF is the word,not even a flat tyre. Man these jap machines are solid, so as they say "where there is smoke there is fire" there is somthing about these JDMs that has swept the market in Pakistan,there can be no doubt in that .So please this old story of parts availability and difficult maintenance i dont buy it as i have been using JDMs since 2009
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    Quote Originally Posted by muradi View Post
    Here is a situation, Kindly leave all the previous crap and focus on this...
    Mr X, A Branch Manager of a well known bank, Earning approx 150k P.M. Father of two Children and a Faithful Wife. Lives in an Apartment in D.H.A, Living a very peaceful and respectful life and is very happy.
    Now Mr X Bank is in Sharah-e-Faisal, He has to travel 30kms daily from D.H.A to Sharah-e-Faisal and back.
    Now he has a budget of Pkr 1.Million. Hatchback is what he needs.
    These r his requirements.
    1. A brand New Car or atleast 3 yrs old used car with low mile.
    2. Power Steering.
    3. Power Windows.
    4. Power Mirrors.
    5. A.B.S ( Preferable. )
    6. Should have excellent road grip and fun to drive.
    7. Khi's weather is awful. Must have excellent A.C
    8. Fuel Efficient.
    9. Should not be a Mechanics Girlfriend.
    10. Should have immobilizer aswell.
    Kindly recommend him a good pkdm which fullfills all the above
    here's a real life answer, almost 30 wagon r sold in Sialkot are owned by bank employees, those who prefer a sedan have city and in older cars most have Cultus and eagle eye civic. bank employees here don't prefer jdms at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marschall View Post
    For Two whole years i traveled from Peshawer to Islamabad and back on each weekend my honda civic developed some issues but my 4 grade 1300cc Vitz well all i can say is that BULLETPROOF is the word,not even a flat tyre. Man these jap machines are solid, so as they say "where there is smoke there is fire" there is somthing about these JDMs that has swept the market in Pakistan,there can be no doubt in that .So please this old story of parts availability and difficult maintenance i dont buy it as i have been using JDMs since 2009
    This is the reality

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    Quote Originally Posted by silentassassin1 View Post
    Mitsubishi Mirage fits in the best
    all arguments aside, i personally like that car a lot.
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    Thing is a 3.5 grade or above jdm is a buy and drive and will not let you face any issues, And is right above any pkdm in same range.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dayrider View Post
    @Xulfiqar you seem like a very intelligent and logical fellow. Just one question, when was the last time you sat in a pkdm. A very serious question
    January of 2015 - when I was there in Pakistan and met with other nice PWers too..

    Cars I drove -
    Honda city 2014 (its a POS globally - be it from Japan, Thailand or Pakistan)
    suzuki mehran 2013 (mehran is a time capsule - stays put) - did general tune up on it too (go to shop - buy SGP and be done)
    suzuki swift 2012 (reasonably good car) - performed coolant flush on it too. (car owned by relative) (same buy SGP and job done)

    all three cars owned by relatives and freinds, not one of them has the time or headache to visit mechanic shops and get a job done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xulfiqar View Post
    so all of you guys commenting on "build quality"

    what brand of refrigerator or airconditioner do you buy for yourself in Pakistan?
    Dawlance ref we have in house for last 10 years all good. If some part get damage i get it from their sabzi mandi repair center and get it changed.
    2nd ref japan made no frost "National Big" purchased by my father in 1986 was in store room for last 4 years waiting for original comp and some other parts to run it but we failed so get them, no local support is available for that old boy, now this year got it modified to start working. Abba gee refuse to change that ref and i am unable to change his mind.

    Ac, several brands but till now the chill effect is still observe from china made SG even after decade of use. All parts available no problem if anything go wrong. Same goes with haier.
    Help others so that u can be Helped

  22. 28-05-2015, 08:55 PM

    Senior PakWheeler


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