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    Lightbulb JDMs, The Misconceptions and Myths.

    Assalam o Alaikum Everyone.
    From the past few days a hot argument is going on between Wagon R Owners and Jdm Owners which is doing nothing but creating hatred and in the end jdm owners r accused of being so called " DEALERS " and afraid of their cars not being sold due to the amazing Success of Wagon R (LOL)
    Similar many examples r available and r creating alot of Misconceptions and Confusing potential Buyers.

    Japanese Cars:
    There is absolutely no doubt on the fact that these cars r very much advanced then the local cars manufactured here. Have a lot of attractive features and are light on fuel aswell.
    The Goods of Jdms:
    1. Much Advanced Cars with very good built quality
    2. Much Stronger.
    3. Alot of Safety Features.
    4. More Spacious
    5. Light on fuel
    6. More Reliable.
    7. Easy to drive ( in case of 660cc )
    8. Have even more features than a top of the line civic at almost half the cost
    The Bads:
    1. Side Mirrors, ( They r easily removable and expensive. Although local car mirrors arent safe as well i.e Corolla )
    2. Parts r Considerably Expensive. ( Although market cars like Mira and Alto have spares priced similar to pkdms )
    The Myths:
    1. Jdms. Especially 660cc r unreliable and heatup on long routes.
    This is not true at all. These engines are very powerful and can easily bear continuous long drives with ease.
    2. Jdms die with heavy weight. ( 660 )
    To an extent this is true, but doesn't mean that car will die with 4 people on board. If u have a small family like a couple with children 660 is fit for you. but if u r going to fit 4 100kgs+ Pehelwans inside the car will surely hesitate
    3. The Engine is very advanced and can not be understood by mechanics in pak.
    That is a big joke. The Car does not use some special engine from another universe, It uses a normal Efi engine which is now found in almost every pkdm new car and a mechanic working on a pdm car can easily work on a jdm.
    4. Car touches alot of speed breakers.
    Yes but same is the case with majority of pkdms, Blame the speed breakers not the Car
    5. Jdms are not value for money.
    If jdms r not value for money, then is 7 Lacs for a Mehran and 10 Lacs for a Cultus value for money?
    6. Jdms have Zero Resale.
    Jdms r the first choice of dealers to make money and gives alot of profit. Many owners have sold them on profit as they dont have a fixed value and their value keeps changing.
    7. Jdms r mostly Accidented
    Not All Jdms are accidented, Some are, Its the Buyers responsibility to get the car checked by a denter and ask for an auction sheet from the dealer and get it verified. And not just jdms we should get pkdms checked aswell as brand new pdms can also get hit and r locally repaired at dealerships before delivery,
    8.JDMS r Sluggish and have no pick
    They r designed to obtain optimum Fuel Economy and not for street racing . The CVT tranny isn't fun but helps to keep the rpm stable and to achieve max fuel economy, That is the reason why Vitz has a low pick at starting.
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    The Reason of creating this thread was to clear up all the misconceptions growing up and to end the hatred being built among members.
    Another funny thing.
    Iv'e heard many members saying when anyone says something supporting jdm. " He is a dealer, Humari gari ki waja se in ka kaam band hogaya hai is liye bechare pareshan hai " . People, Please be sensible, We have better things to do in life rather than doing such crap here. Calling someone a dealer because he is with jdms is the height of wisdom . I or any jdm supporter have absolutely no link with buying, selling or importing jdms. I own a Pkdm and im pretty happy with it. ( Will be posting a detailed comparison bw Swift and Vitz aswell ).
    Peace
    MOD Edit: This is not a Jdm Vs Pkdm thread.
    this thread is to clear the misconceptions growing and confusing members about jdms.
    No Personal Attacks,
    Kindly keep this thread Clean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xulfiqar View Post
    excellent case.

    the "toyota" dealer had a part in stock of a vehicle they actually sold (corolla 1.3 xli) - so anyone using that vehicle would have rolled in, get it replaced and be out in a few hours tops, OTOH - your freind has a unique car whose parts are not sold in any parts supplier depot/retail location.
    wish it was a unique car , its a common shopping trolley now seen on roads of pakistan and i am the person who recommended him passo so all blames comes to me , never thought finding a fuel filter would be such a painful job, junk yard used spares are keeping most of the jdms alive till now also the desi jugars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xulfiqar View Post
    sure... I have a few rules, one should be driven by you, one by me - both propelled by rocket thrusters to 200 km/h and we smash them front to front.
    Agreed, however there is one problem, both cars hardly can touch 140 Max
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    Quote Originally Posted by khizar44 View Post
    It's our choice if we want to wear seat belts or not and keep in mind that an educated person would always want to put them on whether rear or front passengers (no offence ). Also keep in mind that in the bigger cities of Pakistan such as Islamabad, Peshawar and Lahore, the traffic police is penalizing people for not using seat belts.
    choice has no say in this. Choice means that you have the luxury to choose between more than one.

    btw - you forgot to mention Karachi - which is the biggest city in Pakistan by all standards, there is no seat belt law there. However back to your question.

    You are assuming that all car owners in Pakistan are educated.. have you recently met car owners in Pakistan. The sheeple (aka hujoom) who are lining up at sarviss teyshun to drown their cars or putting scrapped parts for repairs are nowhere near educated, Yet they own cars.

    Seat belts used to be a choice in the past - hence many manufacturers sometimes only offered it as upgrades - e.g. corolla E70, E80 imported into Pakistan had no seat belts. Pakistan did not and still does not have it mandated federally.

    However in countries where this is mandated federally - cars are not allowed to clear customs if they are void of belts.

    your argument is quite invalid - you are siding with choice and requirements as you please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by muradi View Post
    Agreed, however there is one problem, both cars hardly can touch 140 Max
    with rocket thrusters they can easily do 200
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xulfiqar View Post
    with rocket thrusters they can easily do 200
    lolz
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xulfiqar View Post
    with rocket thrusters they can easily do 200
    Quote Originally Posted by muradi View Post
    lolz
    JDM rocket thrusters or PKDM rocket thrusters?

    If JDM then please order and wait a couple of weeks before you race - Clash of the titans

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    " rocket" chalany ko rocket nahi sahi tayl aur plug chahyea according to local ustaad iridium plugs, Bosch HT cables & HiOctane Jet fuel ka mikchar taynkee ful karo killi 150 sai oper rahay gi
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    Speaking of build quality. Have a look at the NCAP crash ratings of these jdms...
    JDMs The Misconceptions and Myths -1579988
    JDMs The Misconceptions and Myths -1579989
    JDMs The Misconceptions and Myths -1579986
    JDMs The Misconceptions and Myths -1579985
    You still say that build quality is too poor?
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    Quote Originally Posted by nasirjavaid View Post
    JDM rocket thrusters or PKDM rocket thrusters?

    If JDM then please order and wait a couple of weeks before you race - Clash of the titans
    we will be using chinese ones this time
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    Quote Originally Posted by capsat View Post
    " rocket" chalany ko rocket nahi sahi tayl aur plug chahyea according to local ustaad iridium plugs, Bosch HT cables & HiOctane Jet fuel ka mikchar taynkee ful karo killi 150 sai oper rahay gi
    Perfect Recipe for Race at the sea side
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    Quote Originally Posted by muradi View Post
    Speaking of build quality. Have a look at the NCAP crash ratings of these jdms...
    JDMs The Misconceptions and Myths -1579988
    JDMs The Misconceptions and Myths -1579989
    JDMs The Misconceptions and Myths -1579986
    JDMs The Misconceptions and Myths -1579985
    You still say that build quality is too poor?
    never said its poor

    build quality of SAAB vehicles was off the scales, Incredibly safe cars.

    why dont you drive a SAAB?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xulfiqar View Post
    true that - a minor smash into a JDM can cause warping of the body structure - incredibly weak designs.
    Quote Originally Posted by Xulfiqar View Post
    never said its poor

    build quality of SAAB vehicles was off the scales, Incredibly safe cars.

    why dont you drive a SAAB?
    Here u go. U said designs r very poor.
    Btw I have never heard much of Saab so cant comment on what that was
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    Quote Originally Posted by muradi View Post
    Speaking of build quality. Have a look at the NCAP crash ratings of these jdms...
    JDMs The Misconceptions and Myths -1579988
    JDMs The Misconceptions and Myths -1579989
    JDMs The Misconceptions and Myths -1579986
    JDMs The Misconceptions and Myths -1579985
    You still say that build quality is too poor?
    that is JNCAP, and more than half of these cars come without airbags here. if mini pajero can get five stars tw Allah e hafiz ha in k testing standards ka, that car with highest score can easily get more damage than the cultus crashing in it in a t-bone crash event. the vehicle with more mass wins any crash test.
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    Quote Originally Posted by usman_arooq2 View Post
    that is JNCAP, and more than half of these cars come without airbags here. if mini pajero can get five stars tw Allah e hafiz ha in k testing standards ka, that car with highest score can easily get more damage than the cultus crashing in it in a t-bone crash event. the vehicle with more mass wins any crash test.
    Mere bhai insaan gari check Kara ke le to kaise woh dealer ke fraud ka shikar hoga?
    Build quality of mini pajero is very good. Personally kept. .
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    Quote Originally Posted by muradi View Post
    Mere bhai insaan gari check Kara ke le to kaise woh dealer ke fraud ka shikar hoga?
    Build quality of mini pajero is very good. Personally kept. .
    i've also personally kept, suv ka keera tha tw mini pajero par pura kiya, phir junior b li ti.

    the turbo engine gave up after 7k by over heating although i took much care of it, never drove it above 60kph (was a mini driver in mini pajero ) oil, filter routine was at strict 2500 km as I wasn't incharge of the maintenance (increased to 4000k for mineral oil and 6500 k for fully synthetic oil with genuine filter after I got full hold)

    it was a personal import 24k genuine mileage, dad bought it from a friend living in Japan. total cost was 5.50k (jdms were really cheap). the doors and panels were lighter than the newest cultus with lowest gauge sheet metal used by PS. infact my cousin pushed in the fender with one kick and he was just a healthy Aussie bred 13yo kid. we tried the same on a relative's pkdm alto and believe me it didn't bend with 15-16 kicks by me and my cuz(but the paint started to chip).
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    Quote Originally Posted by muradi View Post
    we will be using chinese ones this time
    Means no warranty in which direction your rocket will go

    Maybe on of you land on moon and other in patoki

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    Quote Originally Posted by usman_arooq2 View Post
    i've also personally kept, suv ka keera tha tw mini pajero par pura kiya, phir junior b li ti.

    the turbo engine gave up after 7k by over heating although i took much care of it, never drove it above 60kph (was a mini driver in mini pajero ) oil, filter routine was at strict 2500 km as I wasn't incharge of the maintenance (increased to 4000k for mineral oil and 6500 k for fully synthetic oil with genuine filter after I got full hold)

    it was a personal import 24k genuine mileage, dad bought it from a friend living in Japan. total cost was 5.50k (jdms were really cheap). the doors and panels were lighter than the newest cultus with lowest gauge sheet metal used by PS. infact my cousin pushed in the fender with one kick and he was just a healthy Aussie bred 13yo kid. we tried the same on a relative's pkdm alto and believe me it didn't bend with 15-16 kicks by me and my cuz(but the paint started to chip).
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    I always had JDMs and are best ...... Advance Technology , long life , Relaible .


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    Quote Originally Posted by Xulfiqar View Post
    choice has no say in this. Choice means that you have the luxury to choose between more than one.

    btw - you forgot to mention Karachi - which is the biggest city in Pakistan by all standards, there is no seat belt law there. However back to your question.

    You are assuming that all car owners in Pakistan are educated.. have you recently met car owners in Pakistan. The sheeple (aka hujoom) who are lining up at sarviss teyshun to drown their cars or putting scrapped parts for repairs are nowhere near educated, Yet they own cars.

    Seat belts used to be a choice in the past - hence many manufacturers sometimes only offered it as upgrades - e.g. corolla E70, E80 imported into Pakistan had no seat belts. Pakistan did not and still does not have it mandated federally.

    However in countries where this is mandated federally - cars are not allowed to clear customs if they are void of belts.

    your argument is quite invalid - you are siding with choice and requirements as you please.
    I had said "choice to wear seat belts", not install them and had also said that only educated and well aware drivers would want to wear them, I had not mentioned all of them. And if you say that seat belts were a choice in the past still makes your argument invalid as times have changed now and the number of car accidents on the roads have increased, therefore our local car industries should install the basics in their cars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by khizar44 View Post
    I had said "choice to wear seat belts", not install them and had also said that only educated and well aware drivers would want to wear them, I had not mentioned all of them. And if you say that seat belts were a choice in the past still makes your argument invalid as times have changed now and the number of car accidents on the roads have increased, therefore our local car industries should install the basics in their cars.
    With all due respect Mrs educated let just suppose Pakistan government start following all japanese standard and force manufacturer to install rear seats belt and strick law and order of wearing seat belt imposed in Pakistan now imagine your family have 6 member and you have only one sedan at home the seatbelt law will allow 4 ppl in car as according to starandatd a sedan have 2 seat belts at rear and SUV can have 3 seat belt at rear what will do then will you buy another car

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