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    Lightbulb JDMs, The Misconceptions and Myths.

    Assalam o Alaikum Everyone.
    From the past few days a hot argument is going on between Wagon R Owners and Jdm Owners which is doing nothing but creating hatred and in the end jdm owners r accused of being so called " DEALERS " and afraid of their cars not being sold due to the amazing Success of Wagon R (LOL)
    Similar many examples r available and r creating alot of Misconceptions and Confusing potential Buyers.

    Japanese Cars:
    There is absolutely no doubt on the fact that these cars r very much advanced then the local cars manufactured here. Have a lot of attractive features and are light on fuel aswell.
    The Goods of Jdms:
    1. Much Advanced Cars with very good built quality
    2. Much Stronger.
    3. Alot of Safety Features.
    4. More Spacious
    5. Light on fuel
    6. More Reliable.
    7. Easy to drive ( in case of 660cc )
    8. Have even more features than a top of the line civic at almost half the cost
    The Bads:
    1. Side Mirrors, ( They r easily removable and expensive. Although local car mirrors arent safe as well i.e Corolla )
    2. Parts r Considerably Expensive. ( Although market cars like Mira and Alto have spares priced similar to pkdms )
    The Myths:
    1. Jdms. Especially 660cc r unreliable and heatup on long routes.
    This is not true at all. These engines are very powerful and can easily bear continuous long drives with ease.
    2. Jdms die with heavy weight. ( 660 )
    To an extent this is true, but doesn't mean that car will die with 4 people on board. If u have a small family like a couple with children 660 is fit for you. but if u r going to fit 4 100kgs+ Pehelwans inside the car will surely hesitate
    3. The Engine is very advanced and can not be understood by mechanics in pak.
    That is a big joke. The Car does not use some special engine from another universe, It uses a normal Efi engine which is now found in almost every pkdm new car and a mechanic working on a pdm car can easily work on a jdm.
    4. Car touches alot of speed breakers.
    Yes but same is the case with majority of pkdms, Blame the speed breakers not the Car
    5. Jdms are not value for money.
    If jdms r not value for money, then is 7 Lacs for a Mehran and 10 Lacs for a Cultus value for money?
    6. Jdms have Zero Resale.
    Jdms r the first choice of dealers to make money and gives alot of profit. Many owners have sold them on profit as they dont have a fixed value and their value keeps changing.
    7. Jdms r mostly Accidented
    Not All Jdms are accidented, Some are, Its the Buyers responsibility to get the car checked by a denter and ask for an auction sheet from the dealer and get it verified. And not just jdms we should get pkdms checked aswell as brand new pdms can also get hit and r locally repaired at dealerships before delivery,
    8.JDMS r Sluggish and have no pick
    They r designed to obtain optimum Fuel Economy and not for street racing . The CVT tranny isn't fun but helps to keep the rpm stable and to achieve max fuel economy, That is the reason why Vitz has a low pick at starting.
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    The Reason of creating this thread was to clear up all the misconceptions growing up and to end the hatred being built among members.
    Another funny thing.
    Iv'e heard many members saying when anyone says something supporting jdm. " He is a dealer, Humari gari ki waja se in ka kaam band hogaya hai is liye bechare pareshan hai " . People, Please be sensible, We have better things to do in life rather than doing such crap here. Calling someone a dealer because he is with jdms is the height of wisdom . I or any jdm supporter have absolutely no link with buying, selling or importing jdms. I own a Pkdm and im pretty happy with it. ( Will be posting a detailed comparison bw Swift and Vitz aswell ).
    Peace
    MOD Edit: This is not a Jdm Vs Pkdm thread.
    this thread is to clear the misconceptions growing and confusing members about jdms.
    No Personal Attacks,
    Kindly keep this thread Clean.

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    i see nothing fancy in these JDMs..i have driven a self import mira for quite a distance.
    that car had a noisy engine..it did absorb the bumps better than a mehran..but nothing out of this world..i drive a cultus too n believe me that piece of trash is more comfortable..however many would not agree..
    mileage was not magical either..i am a calm driver even then it didnt do more than 14kmpl.
    then after a month the starter motor gave up..
    you see japanese do make good reliable cars with cool gadgets..but that reliability and those cool gadgets bring with them an uncertainty about the history of the car..how many kms has it done..the khajjal khawari of finding its parts in scrap yards and ugly shapes!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by COOLTAHIR View Post
    What if one have to drive these dinkys (jdms) in remote areas? Where no any part will be available? Where if it creates trouble no any mechanic will sort out the problem.
    So in short these dinkeys are good for cities and advanced areas where there are advanced workshops for these cars.
    Other than this these cars are relay advanced and more good than pkdms
    Suzuki, specially Mehran, rocks in such areas

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    Quote Originally Posted by ali454 View Post
    i see nothing fancy in these JDMs..i have driven a self import mira for quite a distance.
    that car had a noisy engine..it did absorb the bumps better than a mehran..but nothing out of this world..i drive a cultus too n believe me that piece of trash is more comfortable..however many would not agree..
    mileage was not magical either..i am a calm driver even then it didnt do more than 14kmpl.
    then after a month the starter motor gave up..
    you see japanese do make good reliable cars with cool gadgets..but that reliability and those cool gadgets bring with them an uncertainty about the history of the car..how many kms has it done..the khajjal khawari of finding its parts in scrap yards and ugly shapes!!
    Compare the cultus to something of a similar category, like a vitz or a cultus, it isn't fair to compare a 660 with a 1000. You see 14 is something you get when it isn't running properly, a little high octane and it would cross 16kmpl without an issue. The engine is noise at speeds of 100 or so, otherwise it's quite alright. Yes the service history is an issue but it's the same when you go to buy a pkdm used car. You never know who used it and what the car has been through, so that factor is out

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    adding my few experiences.

    lets take a simple example, a person is driving a mercedes C240 (2003 model year) which was sold by shahnawaz motors ltd, Now lets take into consideration that the one of the transmission speed sensors failed and caused the unit to malfunction and go into limp mode.

    The electrics kit for that transmission is available from MB (even globally) and their repairs can be carried out to bring back the car to 100% service quality (please pay attention to the 100%).

    Lets take your CVT unit - lets say the torque converter apply clutch has failed internally and has pushed a lot of debris into the transmission itself - Does your manufacturer supply you with "new" repair parts or are you flying by the seat of your pants claiming that every part on any car should be sourced from scrap yards.

    If you try to service such repair with scrapped parts - where do you account for the 100% that is required in transport medium.

    There is a place for scrap parts - mostly being dead parts like door assemblies, metal castings, stampings etc. If you are trying to buy "wear and tear" replacement parts from scrap yards then this discussion is already over.

    Lets take PCs for example, If your PC keyboard fails, do you buy a new one or you buy an "imported one from scrap" please bear in mind that a keyboard traps a lot of dead skin and other things like (e.g. old user had a deadly contagious disease - or just consider if the old keyboard was in use on a nurses mobile computer in a hospital - or it maybe owned by a person who loved to watch ****).

    I hear a lot of horror stories of people who bought a more expensive brand car and got to pay for the neglected maintenance from the previous owner.

    e.g. person owning a mercedes says - yeh itni mazboot hoti hain ke 12 saal se koi kaam nahi karwaya, sirf aail aur filturr change, service station dhulai ke saath. No doubt they are durable as hardened steel tools and they go bad so slowly that the owner thinks its OK, But they do go bad and do require repair and maintenance.

    Some misinformed person bought it and got to face a 800-1000 euro parts list to "catch up" with the maintenance that the old owner missed - because - chalti ka naam gaari.


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    speaking of CVT,

    I have a 2013 nissan altima with CVT, it now has 22000 miles on it, I have had the ECU reflashed twice and the transmission replaced 1 time because it was not working smoothly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ali454 View Post
    i see nothing fancy in these JDMs..i have driven a self import mira for quite a distance.
    that car had a noisy engine..it did absorb the bumps better than a mehran..but nothing out of this world..i drive a cultus too n believe me that piece of trash is more comfortable..however many would not agree..
    mileage was not magical either..i am a calm driver even then it didnt do more than 14kmpl.
    then after a month the starter motor gave up..
    you see japanese do make good reliable cars with cool gadgets..but that reliability and those cool gadgets bring with them an uncertainty about the history of the car..how many kms has it done..the khajjal khawari of finding its parts in scrap yards and ugly shapes!!
    Then what about buying a used PKDM ? Are you sure everytime about its milage and condition ? Or tempered chassis ?
    These frauds happen more in PKDMs
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xulfiqar View Post
    adding my few experiences.

    lets take a simple example, a person is driving a mercedes C240 (2003 model year) which was sold by shahnawaz motors ltd, Now lets take into consideration that the one of the transmission speed sensors failed and caused the unit to malfunction and go into limp mode.

    The electrics kit for that transmission is available from MB (even globally) and their repairs can be carried out to bring back the car to 100% service quality (please pay attention to the 100%).

    Lets take your CVT unit - lets say the torque converter apply clutch has failed internally and has pushed a lot of debris into the transmission itself - Does your manufacturer supply you with "new" repair parts or are you flying by the seat of your pants claiming that every part on any car should be sourced from scrap yards.

    If you try to service such repair with scrapped parts - where do you account for the 100% that is required in transport medium.

    There is a place for scrap parts - mostly being dead parts like door assemblies, metal castings, stampings etc. If you are trying to buy "wear and tear" replacement parts from scrap yards then this discussion is already over.

    Lets take PCs for example, If your PC keyboard fails, do you buy a new one or you buy an "imported one from scrap" please bear in mind that a keyboard traps a lot of dead skin and other things like (e.g. old user had a deadly contagious disease - or just consider if the old keyboard was in use on a nurses mobile computer in a hospital - or it maybe owned by a person who loved to watch ****).

    I hear a lot of horror stories of people who bought a more expensive brand car and got to pay for the neglected maintenance from the previous owner.

    e.g. person owning a mercedes says - yeh itni mazboot hoti hain ke 12 saal se koi kaam nahi karwaya, sirf aail aur filturr change, service station dhulai ke saath.

    Some misinformed person bought it and got to face a 800-1000 euro parts list to "catch up" with the maintenance that the old owner missed - because - chalti ka naam gaari.


    Any machine is great when its backed and supported by the manufacturer. You can break it down to the simplest cases even including household appliances.
    Let me get this straight, now your gonna compare Jdms to the Germans. Really? How about we stick to the fact that these so called spares that you mentioned(the internal working system of a gearbox for instance). If there is a fault in that, what do our pkdm 3s dealerships do, they make you buy a new one.
    So if a cvt goes wrong, you check if it's repairable, if not buy a new one

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xulfiqar View Post
    speaking of CVT,

    I have a 2013 nissan altima with CVT, it now has 22000 miles on it, I have had the ECU reflashed twice and the transmission replaced 1 time because it was not working smoothly.
    Well you got a faulty car from the batch and the technology is to blame...... May I know what was wrong with the transmission

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    I also read on another post that the user was amazed by "AMAZING TECHNOLOGY" of a compressor and a puncture patch liquid.

    the sad part was that the user was actually serious in thinking it is amazing.

    The more sad part is that its actually a POS, a real pain for the owner, its useless if your tire blows out and you have nothing to patch up. The blowout happens in Pakistan a lot - please look at the crash thread, almost every other one is "tire burst and car lost control" - that liquid does not magically recreate a round tire from scrap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xulfiqar View Post
    adding my few experiences.

    lets take a simple example, a person is driving a mercedes C240 (2003 model year) which was sold by shahnawaz motors ltd, Now lets take into consideration that the one of the transmission speed sensors failed and caused the unit to malfunction and go into limp mode.

    The electrics kit for that transmission is available from MB (even globally) and their repairs can be carried out to bring back the car to 100% service quality (please pay attention to the 100%).

    Lets take your CVT unit - lets say the torque converter apply clutch has failed internally and has pushed a lot of debris into the transmission itself - Does your manufacturer supply you with "new" repair parts or are you flying by the seat of your pants claiming that every part on any car should be sourced from scrap yards.

    If you try to service such repair with scrapped parts - where do you account for the 100% that is required in transport medium.

    There is a place for scrap parts - mostly being dead parts like door assemblies, metal castings, stampings etc. If you are trying to buy "wear and tear" replacement parts from scrap yards then this discussion is already over.

    Lets take PCs for example, If your PC keyboard fails, do you buy a new one or you buy an "imported one from scrap" please bear in mind that a keyboard traps a lot of dead skin and other things like (e.g. old user had a deadly contagious disease - or just consider if the old keyboard was in use on a nurses mobile computer in a hospital - or it maybe owned by a person who loved to watch ****).

    I hear a lot of horror stories of people who bought a more expensive brand car and got to pay for the neglected maintenance from the previous owner.

    e.g. person owning a mercedes says - yeh itni mazboot hoti hain ke 12 saal se koi kaam nahi karwaya, sirf aail aur filturr change, service station dhulai ke saath. No doubt they are durable as hardened steel tools and they go bad so slowly that the owner thinks its OK, But they do go bad and do require repair and maintenance.

    Some misinformed person bought it and got to face a 800-1000 euro parts list to "catch up" with the maintenance that the old owner missed - because - chalti ka naam gaari.


    Any machine is great when its backed and supported by the manufacturer. You can break it down to the simplest cases even including household appliances.
    Oh really ? Why is it always the JDMs ?
    95% of people buy parts of PKDM from scrap yards and talking about the scrap yard thingy , it is quite common in America , people restore cars with parts from Scrap Yard , yes i meant SCRAP YARD!
    A part from a scrap yard can bring it back to its original place!
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    Quote Originally Posted by dayrider View Post
    Well you got a faulty car from the batch and the technology is to blame...... May I know what was wrong with the transmission

    nopes - nissan has invested into Jatco so much that even if they chose to get out they cannot, There is an incredible amount of CVT transmission replacements being done by all brands who are using these.

    The older shifting gearboxes had transmission issues when they were into their senior years, not in young ages.
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    Quote Originally Posted by huzaifa.haroon View Post
    Oh really ? Why is it always the JDMs ?
    95% of people buy parts of PKDM from scrap yards and talking about the scrap yard thingy , it is quite common in America , people restore cars with parts from Scrap Yard , yes i meant SCRAP YARD!
    A part from a scrap yard can bring it back to its original place!

    Do you live in the USA? - have you done this task in the continental USA? was the car road legal with a clean title?

    e.g. - if your airbag deployed out - it will be very hard to get the car working again in USA, even harder for an insurance co. to take the car under its wing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by huzaifa.haroon View Post
    Oh really ? Why is it always the JDMs ?
    95% of people buy parts of PKDM from scrap yards and talking about the scrap yard thingy , it is quite common in America , people restore cars with parts from Scrap Yard , yes i meant SCRAP YARD!
    A part from a scrap yard can bring it back to its original place!
    are u serious on this one??

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    Quote Originally Posted by saboor73 View Post
    are u serious on this one??
    I can vouch for that, seen it happen

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xulfiqar View Post
    I also read on another post that the user was amazed by "AMAZING TECHNOLOGY" of a compressor and a puncture patch liquid.

    the sad part was that the user was actually serious in thinking it is amazing.

    The more sad part is that its actually a POS, a real pain for the owner, its useless if your tire blows out and you have nothing to patch up. The blowout happens in Pakistan a lot - please look at the crash thread, almost every other one is "tire burst and car lost control" - that liquid does not magically recreate a round tire from scrap.
    That pump is indeed a POS, majority buyers now buy a spare wheel instead of that crap, no one knows how to use it..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xulfiqar View Post
    Do you live in the USA? - have you done this task in the continental USA? was the car road legal with a clean title?

    e.g. - if your airbag deployed out - it will be very hard to get the car working again in USA, even harder for an insurance co. to take the car under its wing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by saboor73 View Post
    are u serious on this one??
    Yes i am serious and sure , i am trying to sell my accidental pkdm and was amazed to see the response.
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    Some one even asked my just for documents. Why would he do so ? To make a stolen car genuine
    Always respect your parents

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    Agreed on the point that sometimes a few parts of jdms r not available locally, in that case now all parts can be imported in max 14days and that too at a reasonable cost.
    Okay lets suppose Jdm's r the biggest crap ever manufactured. Then guys recommend me a pkdm car in the budget of 1m.?
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