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    Lightbulb JDMs, The Misconceptions and Myths.

    Assalam o Alaikum Everyone.
    From the past few days a hot argument is going on between Wagon R Owners and Jdm Owners which is doing nothing but creating hatred and in the end jdm owners r accused of being so called " DEALERS " and afraid of their cars not being sold due to the amazing Success of Wagon R (LOL)
    Similar many examples r available and r creating alot of Misconceptions and Confusing potential Buyers.

    Japanese Cars:
    There is absolutely no doubt on the fact that these cars r very much advanced then the local cars manufactured here. Have a lot of attractive features and are light on fuel aswell.
    The Goods of Jdms:
    1. Much Advanced Cars with very good built quality
    2. Much Stronger.
    3. Alot of Safety Features.
    4. More Spacious
    5. Light on fuel
    6. More Reliable.
    7. Easy to drive ( in case of 660cc )
    8. Have even more features than a top of the line civic at almost half the cost
    The Bads:
    1. Side Mirrors, ( They r easily removable and expensive. Although local car mirrors arent safe as well i.e Corolla )
    2. Parts r Considerably Expensive. ( Although market cars like Mira and Alto have spares priced similar to pkdms )
    The Myths:
    1. Jdms. Especially 660cc r unreliable and heatup on long routes.
    This is not true at all. These engines are very powerful and can easily bear continuous long drives with ease.
    2. Jdms die with heavy weight. ( 660 )
    To an extent this is true, but doesn't mean that car will die with 4 people on board. If u have a small family like a couple with children 660 is fit for you. but if u r going to fit 4 100kgs+ Pehelwans inside the car will surely hesitate
    3. The Engine is very advanced and can not be understood by mechanics in pak.
    That is a big joke. The Car does not use some special engine from another universe, It uses a normal Efi engine which is now found in almost every pkdm new car and a mechanic working on a pdm car can easily work on a jdm.
    4. Car touches alot of speed breakers.
    Yes but same is the case with majority of pkdms, Blame the speed breakers not the Car
    5. Jdms are not value for money.
    If jdms r not value for money, then is 7 Lacs for a Mehran and 10 Lacs for a Cultus value for money?
    6. Jdms have Zero Resale.
    Jdms r the first choice of dealers to make money and gives alot of profit. Many owners have sold them on profit as they dont have a fixed value and their value keeps changing.
    7. Jdms r mostly Accidented
    Not All Jdms are accidented, Some are, Its the Buyers responsibility to get the car checked by a denter and ask for an auction sheet from the dealer and get it verified. And not just jdms we should get pkdms checked aswell as brand new pdms can also get hit and r locally repaired at dealerships before delivery,
    8.JDMS r Sluggish and have no pick
    They r designed to obtain optimum Fuel Economy and not for street racing . The CVT tranny isn't fun but helps to keep the rpm stable and to achieve max fuel economy, That is the reason why Vitz has a low pick at starting.
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    The Reason of creating this thread was to clear up all the misconceptions growing up and to end the hatred being built among members.
    Another funny thing.
    Iv'e heard many members saying when anyone says something supporting jdm. " He is a dealer, Humari gari ki waja se in ka kaam band hogaya hai is liye bechare pareshan hai " . People, Please be sensible, We have better things to do in life rather than doing such crap here. Calling someone a dealer because he is with jdms is the height of wisdom . I or any jdm supporter have absolutely no link with buying, selling or importing jdms. I own a Pkdm and im pretty happy with it. ( Will be posting a detailed comparison bw Swift and Vitz aswell ).
    Peace
    MOD Edit: This is not a Jdm Vs Pkdm thread.
    this thread is to clear the misconceptions growing and confusing members about jdms.
    No Personal Attacks,
    Kindly keep this thread Clean.

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    I do not care of resale as car is not an investment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by muradi View Post
    Should have power steering. Power windows. Power mirrors. Should have basic safety features. The a.c should cool down the cabin and should not visit mechanics frequently.
    FAW v2

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xulfiqar View Post
    have you driven a car with a malfunctioning ABS module? - please note malfunctioning not disconnected.



    Failure to stop = brake issue. - a smash occurs when a vehicle fails to stop.. Dont try to oversimplify it with "driver not paying attention" - ---> that is another can of worms with the new smart phone generation.
    Physics parhe hay ?
    Brake failure is not in one in 1000 crashes
    There are 5000 more reasons for a crash.
    If it was just the brakes responsible then rather the automobile industry would be focused on improving breaks rather then safety!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xulfiqar View Post
    A person like me washes engines with about a gallon of water at max, an average and regular person in Pakistan who buys a car has the "sarviss teyshunn" pressure wash the engine bay like a buffalo, Its not new
    Then its not the responsibility of parts failing!
    Its the person himself responsible
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    Quote Originally Posted by huzaifa.haroon View Post
    Oh great , my car has an ABS malfunctioning computer , brakes are perfectly normal just Anti Lock system wont work
    Need proof? Wait for a day
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    your SRS warning is also lit up - both units have shut down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by huzaifa.haroon View Post
    Then its not the responsibility of parts failing!
    Its the person himself responsible
    where does that person get the parts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by huzaifa.haroon View Post
    Physics parhe hay ?
    Brake failure is not in one in 1000 crashes
    There are 5000 more reasons for a crash.
    If it was just the brakes responsible then rather the automobile industry would be focused on improving breaks rather then safety!
    nahin me ne physics nahi parhi - madressa pass hoon.

    Thank you for your enlightenment. Its fascinating. btw ... just a heads up.. the automotive industry has improved brakes by a few magnitudes.

    yes we all know the other 5000 reasons including sexting your girlfreind, ladies applying makeup, young boys driving with one hand on wheel with seat back all the way down, monsoon storms, checking out the gals outside colleges, failing to negotiate a drift attempt etc etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xulfiqar View Post
    Im not american nor have american mentality, I am a Pakistani born desi person, who eats roti with saalan and has chai papay in the evening and speaks urdu.

    Im speaking of experience and logical facts, you are claiming that all is well and dandy with illegal purchases on machines which have no local backing.
    If I insulted you in any way, I apologize for that. Coming to the point, illegal purchases is our only option if you don't want to give in to the mob. There will be local backing in an year or so once it's allowed to grow. And it is growing, just some people creating hurdles for it for reasons based on rumors and rare possibilities

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    Quote Originally Posted by saboor73 View Post
    FAW v2
    Have you used a faw before? Have you? Those things fall apart quicker than a mehran. (My experience is based from that van that they offer. Roma I believe is what it was called)

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    Quote Originally Posted by muradi View Post
    I do not care of resale as car is not an investment.
    used cultus?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xulfiqar View Post
    your SRS warning is also lit up - both units have shut down.
    Yes because there are no airbags lol
    And let's not change the topic , Brakes are working
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xulfiqar View Post
    where does that person get the parts?
    He can't import them , internet , order online , its the 21 st century or scrap yard
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xulfiqar View Post
    nahin me ne physics nahi parhi - madressa pass hoon.

    Thank you for your enlightenment. Its fascinating. btw ... just a heads up.. the automotive industry has improved brakes by a few magnitudes.

    yes we all know the other 5000 reasons including sexting your girlfreind, ladies applying makeup, young boys driving with one hand on wheel with seat back all the way down, monsoon storms, checking out the gals outside colleges, failing to negotiate a drift attempt etc etc.
    Congratulations then
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xulfiqar View Post
    used cultus?
    Yes a used cultus whose doors are unaligned from factory, whose paint looks like it was painted by a roadside painter( Road side painter is better though ) . Dashborad fades in first year, does not have power steering, power windows, etc, door locks dont work properly from factory, and the list goes on...
    Btw if we say used jdms r a gamble because we don't have an idea how they were used in japan, so used cultus is not a gamble? , Atleast jdms have a trustful system of grading, which can be verified before buying..
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    Quote Originally Posted by saboor73 View Post
    FAW v2
    Faw V2, interesting.. Are parts available??, Does it have any proper aftersales service, talking about parts, can the parts be easily imported, does junkyards have its parts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by muradi View Post
    Yes a used cultus whose doors are unaligned from factory, whose paint looks like it was painted by a roadside painter( Road side painter is better though ) . Dashborad fades in first year, does not have power steering, power windows, etc, door locks dont work properly from factory, and the list goes on...
    Btw if we say used jdms r a gamble because we don't have an idea how they were used in japan, so used cultus is not a gamble? , Atleast jdms have a trustful system of grading, which can be verified before buying..
    Get the factory to correct any issues, its called customer service - dont start to school me on that too, I have had Pakistan suzuki motors actually rectify a lot of faults in the vehicles I purchased.

    The grading system you mention for japanese vehicles is only there for auction viewing and legality purposes as you are not physically available to see/inspect the vehicle.

    With a vehicle infront of you - you can look for oddities yourself.


    btw - speaking of the ABS damage, the unit is plumbed after the master cylinder, when it malfunctions, the valves do not shuttle even at startup. They can get jammed (quickly if brake fluid is old and watery) - and you then lose brakes in odd ways that make you think the proportioning valve (if equipped) is jamming. - sometimes it also fails completely on one circuit.

    I know that you think its all a joke, but you just proved something yourself.

    you are taking two equals here and biasing towards one because you own it, on one hand you say a PS cultus is a POS because it has bad factory work (you can get it corrected from them for free) - but on the same note you say that a malfunction JDM is kosher.
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    Quote Originally Posted by huzaifa.haroon View Post
    He can't import them , internet , order online , its the 21 st century or scrap yard
    Next time you sell a car - tell that to the buyer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xulfiqar View Post
    Get the factory to correct any issues, its called customer service - dont start to school me on that too, I have had Pakistan suzuki motors actually rectify a lot of faults in the vehicles I purchased.

    The grading system you mention for japanese vehicles is only there for auction viewing and legality purposes as you are not physically available to see/inspect the vehicle.

    With a vehicle infront of you - you can look for oddities yourself.


    btw - speaking of the ABS damage, the unit is plumbed after the master cylinder, when it malfunctions, the valves do not shuttle even at startup. They can get jammed (quickly if brake fluid is old and watery) - and you then lose brakes in odd ways that make you think the proportioning valve (if equipped) is jamming. - sometimes it also fails completely on one circuit.

    I know that you think its all a joke, but you just proved something yourself.

    you are taking two equals here and biasing towards one because you own it, on one hand you say a PS cultus is a POS because it has bad factory work (you can get it corrected from them for free) - but on the same note you say that a malfunction JDM is kosher.
    Basically, a cultus doesn't cover the requirements mentioned. Would you like to have another go at it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xulfiqar View Post
    Get the factory to correct any issues, its called customer service - dont start to school me on that too, I have had Pakistan suzuki motors actually rectify a lot of faults in the vehicles I purchased.

    The grading system you mention for japanese vehicles is only there for auction viewing and legality purposes as you are not physically available to see/inspect the vehicle.

    With a vehicle infront of you - you can look for oddities yourself.


    btw - speaking of the ABS damage, the unit is plumbed after the master cylinder, when it malfunctions, the valves do not shuttle even at startup. They can get jammed (quickly if brake fluid is old and watery) - and you then lose brakes in odd ways that make you think the proportioning valve (if equipped) is jamming. - sometimes it also fails completely on one circuit.

    I know that you think its all a joke, but you just proved something yourself.

    you are taking two equals here and biasing towards one because you own it, on one hand you say a PS cultus is a POS because it has bad factory work (you can get it corrected from them for free) - but on the same note you say that a malfunction JDM is kosher.
    Just a correction, im not the one talking about ABS, thats huzaifa haroon
    Secondly if i have to go everyday to fix issues from a brand new car which i may buy for piece of mind then where is the piece of mind? The Paint job done on my car is pathetic and paint is fading, how will PS fix that?
    And as u have recommended me a used Cultus, will that have Warranty aswell?
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    Quote Originally Posted by muradi View Post
    Yes a used cultus whose doors are unaligned from factory, whose paint looks like it was painted by a roadside painter( Road side painter is better though ) . Dashborad fades in first year, does not have power steering, power windows, etc, door locks dont work properly from factory, and the list goes on...
    Btw if we say used jdms r a gamble because we don't have an idea how they were used in japan, so used cultus is not a gamble? , Atleast jdms have a trustful system of grading, which can be verified before buying..
    Well as scrap Yard is solution to your every problem then why not buy power windows,powerstreering from junk yard of cultua vxli or margalla power pack

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