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    Default Engine Swap in Nissan Sunny 1991 (B13)

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    Thread update: Swapped the engine with EFI one after wasting double the money on overhaul. Details of swap from page-2

    Guys I recently got a Nissan Sunny 1991. Currently it has a carby 1300cc engine, which frequently gives bluish white smoke, particularly, during start ups. Its very generous in eating up the engine oil.

    Many have suggested to go for 16 valve twin cam EFI engine. One guy told me that he visited Ahata Mithu a few months ago and got 12 valve engine swapped for 17k, while 16 valve engine was available for around 24K.

    Would appreciate if someone can guide me about best engine (I prefer EFI), the prices, the best place to get engine and best workshops to get the Nissan swaps done.

    Thanks

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    Bit of fault at my end for leaving a bit late, and some poor luck that some vehicle burnt out on busy murree road, resulting in 2 hours traffic jam. So the work started too late. In the end, you would expect them to try to finish it ASAP, compromising on quality in front of someone who didn't know a single bit about all those internals

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    Quote Originally Posted by IsbCap View Post
    Bit of fault at my end for leaving a bit late, and some poor luck that some vehicle burnt out on busy murree road, resulting in 2 hours traffic jam. So the work started too late. In the end, you would expect them to try to finish it ASAP, compromising on quality in front of someone who didn't know a single bit about all those internals
    and by the way personally I was not expecting that you would go for CNG again on this engine. My suggestion is don't lose the settings of petrol by running CNG, it will ruin your engine and related stuff and it will not be the same thing ever again. I agree it would save a lot for time being, but its all lose lose at the end..... Try concentrating on making it a good petrol car, rather than a CNG/petrol hybrid performing on one fuel good at a time...
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    Quote Originally Posted by star2 View Post
    and by the way personally I was not expecting that you would go for CNG again on this engine. My suggestion is don't lose the settings of petrol by running CNG, it will ruin your engine and related stuff and it will not be the same thing ever again. I agree it would save a lot for time being, but its all lose lose at the end..... Try concentrating on making it a good petrol car, rather than a CNG/petrol hybrid performing on one fuel good at a time...
    As already mentioned, I'm not keen in running it on CNG. Just was in no man's land when petrol leaked, plus the mental tension of not knowing how much petrol left and what's the average consumption due to that gauge problem.

    One possible solution would be to carry 2 liters of petrol in a bottle, just in case it stopped on road. But now-a-days, no petrol pumps give petrol in bottles.

    CNG would be the backup fuel till i sort out that gauges issue. Today, couldn't go for even fixing those petrol pipes. Will check tomorrow, IA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IsbCap View Post
    As already mentioned, I'm not keen in running it on CNG. Just was in no man's land when petrol leaked, plus the mental tension of not knowing how much petrol left and what's the average consumption due to that gauge problem.

    One possible solution would be to carry 2 liters of petrol in a bottle, just in case it stopped on road. But now-a-days, no petrol pumps give petrol in bottles.

    CNG would be the backup fuel till i sort out that gauges issue. Today, couldn't go for even fixing those petrol pipes. Will check tomorrow, IA.
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    @star2

    So when are you inviting us to the opening ceremony of your workshop?
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    I am not surprised at all. This is all expected from them. It is good that you r determined to get it right. You wille nd up with a great Dastun runabout very soon
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    ^^^

    This time I'll make sure to leave at 080AM and handover the vehicle to them for the whole day, with the clear instructions that everything should be fixed properly (Clutch, radiator pipes, petrol pipes).

    The installation lacked quality due to shortage of time. They did a fine job for power steering on my next visit. So if given enough time, they may be able to fix things properly.

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    Is it the connector which connects to the diagnostics port in dash (the white one very near to the ECU)?

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    Default First Attempted DIY - Ended up as a learning session

    Well, the fuel gauge issue is becoming too annoying to me. 1 electrician in Isb has attempted to fix it twice, with end result of zero and a lot of my money wasted. other in Khanna Pul, the end result being the same.

    Today I decided to get my hands dirty with this gauge stuff. It wasn't a success, but surely gained a lot by managing to open and close the fuel tank and meters in dash properly (to some extent!!!)

    Here are the proceedings:

    Fuel Tank Opened


    Removing the seats to find out the fuel tank and poorly wired outputs for gauge.

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    1 nozzle is unconnected, don't know what it is for???
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    Almost empty tank:

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    The multimeter to measure the signal:


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    Now I noted the reading across the two wires coming out of the tank, which was 4.16V

    Readings during extreme ranges

    By moving the sensor position from bottom most to top most, following were the readings:

    Top most location (Tank full) = 0.6V
    Bottom most location (Tank empty) = 4.4V

    As you can see in the tank picture above, it was almost empty, hence giving reading very close to empty one (4.16 vs 4.4 V)

    Having noted the readings near tank, now we move towards the dashboard:


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    Had never opened the cluster, so it took a bit of time to trace all the screws. This cover took a lot of time to remove, mainly because I had not removed the steering:
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    I failed to pull the meters out initially, then managed to remove two connectors at the back of meter with lot of difficulty. Still there was speedo cable and another connector to be removed, which I did not attempt.

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    After having noted the readings on fuel tank side, the purpose was to measure the signal level at the connector attached with the gauge. Unfortunately, when I connected the meter on those points, the result was zero.

    I then went to the output of fuel tank again, and this time, it was showing zero as well

    At this point, I decided to close the whole stuff and attempt it again in a day or two.


    Next target:

    1. Trace the culprit

    2. Digitally display the fuel quantity in the dashboard. For this purpose, I'll need to design some circuit and some LCD to display.


    And next planned DIY: Run the fan on auto through ECU

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    a freindly advice after seeing the "taping" of the wiring is that please remove the whole dashboard and rectify all the spaghetti of the wiring, The gauge maybe dead as some electrician might have tried to "d'rect shaart" it to test the meter, this burns the bobbin coil of the gauge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xulfiqar View Post
    a freindly advice after seeing the "taping" of the wiring is that please remove the whole dashboard and rectify all the spaghetti of the wiring, The gauge maybe dead as some electrician might have tried to "d'rect shaart" it to test the meter, this burns the bobbin coil of the gauge.
    Yes, regarding the taping, I'm aware that the existing wiring is in too bad a shape and needs fixing it step by step.

    And about that direct shaart stuff, I saw the electrician doing that with both the fuel and heat gauge. I can't trust my heat gauge as well. The engine (E13) was smoking on my last visit and broke down, but the heat gauge was at 25%

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    Quote Originally Posted by IsbCap View Post
    Yes, regarding the taping, I'm aware that the existing wiring is in too bad a shape and needs fixing it step by step.

    And about that direct shaart stuff, I saw the electrician doing that with both the fuel and heat gauge. I can't trust my heat gauge as well. The engine (E13) was smoking on my last visit and broke down, but the heat gauge was at 25%
    Okay, somehow you find out that your guage in the tank is dead, do tell me and i'll send you a "new" one which comes as replacement for Nissan B13. don't know for how much it is 1500 or 1800, don't remember now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by star2 View Post
    Okay, somehow you find out that your gauge in the tank is dead, do tell me and i'll send you a "new" one which comes as replacement for Nissan B13. don't know for how much it is 1500 or 1800, don't remember now.
    Thanks for the help bro. I confirmed it again today by connecting the multimeter across the output of fuel tank, which was showing 4.16V. So the problem is surely with the gauges in dashboard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IsbCap View Post
    Is it the connector which connects to the diagnostics port in dash (the white one very near to the ECU)?

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    Does not look like it. Maybe it has another cable attachent to it which is missing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spectra View Post
    Does not look like it. Maybe it has another cable attachent to it which is missing.
    Yes, I guess it should be OBD-II with 16 ports. This one has got 4 pins.

    I also tried the code scanning method through clutch. And as I expected, it didn't work!!!

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    This Is The Step I Was Talking ABout Before

    Best Part.....Bench Test The Meter Fuel Gauge ....Will Be Easy To Find Culprit Than Trace In Wiring...!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SER_GTR View Post
    This Is The Step I Was Talking ABout Before

    Best Part.....Bench Test The Meter Fuel Gauge ....Will Be Easy To Find Culprit Than Trace In Wiring...!!
    I intend to confirm that whatever signal is at the output of fuel tank is getting to the input of meter cluster.

    Btw, B14 meter can be installed without any cutting etc. or not??? DIY of mapping the outputs of B13 wiring to B14 meter can be done with some effort

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