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    Default Daewoo Racer/Cielo Fan Club

    Dear All,

    I am an owner of Daewoo Racer since 1995. It has proven to be a very comfortable and economical car throughout this period. It used to give an average of 13Km/L within city and ~15Km/L on long drives. Here are some pictures:


    Daewoo fan club -479355


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    Daewoo fan club -1050638

    Check the links for my rides
    1. Before 2008 (Racer)
    Daewoo Racer
    2. After Jan 2008 (Cielo)
    Daewoo Cielo


    I would recommend buying this car who want a better car at low budgets!

    Any member having used a Daewoo car must share their experience....(y)


    IMPORTANT: SCANNER Facility is Available at Friends Autos, I-9, Islamabad. [Khalid: 0322-5111110, 0321-9562840]


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    did any one tried 17" low profile on woo ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by asad_scorpio21 View Post
    give me ur email add , i will send u
    i m having the same problem but i thought it was becoz i had my cars engine overhauled n as i was runing it on petrol but the smell hasnt disappeared even on cng......

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    few days back i replaced the generator with a kabli nissan...the resaon was becoz the baterry light would show up even on driving n would increase on acceleration n giving indicator...the mechanic said coils r weak n etc so i changed it as the pick was compromised n car was starting to stop repeatedly...but even after the replacement the light is still there....i dnt know the cause n i guess the mechanic doesnt know sas well. does any of u know the solution? does any of u know any electrician? in lahore.

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    another thing...is it possible to tunne the car on both petrol n cng the same time.....i tuned the car this morning as i was in isb from daewoo plus...n even there i took a round on both cng n petrol n it ran good on both as i reached lhr n switched to petrol here the engine started wobbling n would stop.. so i adjusted the distributor to the mark made by mechanic n its fine for now....but now im thinking do i ve to do it everytime wen i ve to switch to petrol? is there no way to adjust them both in optimum with each other?

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    Quote Originally Posted by guybwp View Post
    i m having the same problem but i thought it was becoz i had my cars engine overhauled n as i was runing it on petrol but the smell hasnt disappeared even on cng......
    Put some silicon on fuel pump's cap (located under car's rear seat) before screwing it. I had the same problem and totally resolved after doing this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by guybwp View Post
    another thing...is it possible to tunne the car on both petrol n cng the same time.....i tuned the car this morning as i was in isb from daewoo plus...n even there i took a round on both cng n petrol n it ran good on both as i reached lhr n switched to petrol here the engine started wobbling n would stop.. so i adjusted the distributor to the mark made by mechanic n its fine for now....but now im thinking do i ve to do it everytime wen i ve to switch to petrol? is there no way to adjust them both in optimum with each other?
    Use appropriate STAP if you can find it to tune on both. Otherwise find a middle setting more towards CNG.

    By the way everytime you play with timing yourself generally you have to adjust gas setting again, so are you sure you can do it perfectly?

    My car's timing is some where in the middle. On petrol it hardly knocks, drive is ok but mileage is not that good. On cng its nice drive wise and mileage as well.

    Also you can find some good suggestions in this forum (especially by testdriver) to reset the car on factory settings for petrol and then going for cng settings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ace66 View Post
    Use appropriate STAP if you can find it to tune on both. Otherwise find a middle setting more towards CNG.

    By the way everytime you play with timing yourself generally you have to adjust gas setting again, so are you sure you can do it perfectly?

    My car's timing is some where in the middle. On petrol it hardly knocks, drive is ok but mileage is not that good. On cng its nice drive wise and mileage as well.

    Also you can find some good suggestions in this forum (especially by testdriver) to reset the car on factory settings for petrol and then going for cng settings.
    thx ace66
    i also wana try STAP but every time u ask any mechanic or cng specialist for that thay always negate the idea. saying it doesnt work for daewoo racer. so i get confused and abandon it.
    i hope test driver replies back soon or i will let the mechanic handle the settings again.
    and thx i will use silicon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ace66 View Post
    Put some silicon on fuel pump's cap (located under car's rear seat) before screwing it. I had the same problem and totally resolved after doing this.
    Quote Originally Posted by asad_scorpio21 View Post
    @Testdriver and experts
    from few days i am feeling petrol smell in my cabin while driving on both cng or petrol, smell increases with acceleration . can any one guide me wat could be the reason ,
    thanks in advance
    The first thing to check is the small pipe connecting the fuel pump with main fuel lines. It usually gets cracked. Secondly, as @ace66 mentioned, the fuel pump retaining bolts, if not properly tightened, can leave minor leakages from sides. Also there is a rubber packing beneath the fuel pump top housing that can cause the in-cabin fuel leakage/smell. Also do check for loose clamp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by guybwp View Post
    thx ace66
    i also wana try STAP but every time u ask any mechanic or cng specialist for that thay always negate the idea. saying it doesnt work for daewoo racer. so i get confused and abandon it.
    i hope test driver replies back soon or i will let the mechanic handle the settings again.
    and thx i will use silicon.
    Either listen to your mechanic Or don't think and listen, just find a STAP56 and install. If you would have asked mechanics about purchasing a Daewoo, he would have suggested you not to do so. Majority of them know nothing except making money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by testdriver View Post
    Either listen to your mechanic Or don't think and listen, just find a STAP56 and install. If you would have asked mechanics about purchasing a Daewoo, he would have suggested you not to do so. Majority of them know nothing except making money.
    you are right.....Test Driver....the only thing im afraid of is if the person who is going to install STAP56 is against it then may be he doesnt installs it correctly as he wouldnt know how to install a STAP in daewoo..this thought kinda stops me other wise i m quite ready to install it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by testdriver View Post
    Either listen to your mechanic Or don't think and listen, just find a STAP56 and install. If you would have asked mechanics about purchasing a Daewoo, he would have suggested you not to do so. Majority of them know nothing except making money.
    test driver if u can reply again.i wanted to ask.can we use tomasetto lovato 2 in 1 advancer + emulator in daewoo racer? please reply soon?

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    Quote Originally Posted by guybwp View Post
    test driver if u can reply again.i wanted to ask.can we use tomasetto lovato 2 in 1 advancer + emulator in daewoo racer? please reply soon?
    Offcourse you can use it since it is universal type
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    thx....i tried to find STAP56B but couldnt find it. but platinos 531 is available. n i ve asked the cng tech to bring it for my car. do u think i shall go for platinos 531 or just install tomasetto lovato?

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    and also i wanted to know if emulator is necesary to be installed aswell? or is it just ok if i install the advancer?

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    Originally Posted by irfan44
    THIS IS APPLICABLE TO ALL EFI CARS WHETHER THEY HAVE A DISTRIBUTOR ON NOT
    I have a civic 99. It has an engine with a distributor and rotor, unlike new cars that have Coil over Plug ignition system ( Direct Ignition) without a distributor.
    I wanted to install an Advancer/ Emulator in my car but the mechanics were not approving it. as they said that advancer cannot be installed in this car mainly due to presence of distributor.
    So i decided to do it myself.
    Here is some info about the Advancers & Emulators.

    Function of Emulator
    It fools the ECU of your car that the injectors are working and the car is running on petrol even when it is running on CNG.
    It also saves your INJECTORS from damage as it turns OFF the injectors when car is running on CNG.

    Function of Advancer
    It Fools the ECU by manipulating the signals to ECU by various sensors. It intercepts the sensor signals & sends corrected/manipulated signals to the ECU so the ECU Advances the ignition timing as per the sensor signal automatically.
    Basically it is installed so that ignition timing of the vehicle remains at default settings for PETROL as u drive on PETROL and automatically advances when you convert to CNG, without having to move the DISTRIBUTOR physically.
    So the vehicle runs perfectly on PETROL as well as on CNG.

    Normal Practice by Local Mechanics
    I hav seen many EFI cars w/o advancer & emulator. (My car was 1 of them). Basically the mechs cut out the power wires of all injectors so the injectors wont run on CNG. So if u dont want to mess with the wiring, install an EMULTOR.
    They generally dont install an ADVANCER & set the ignition timing as per CNG & say that u normally run ur car on CNG so it is OK. But what if we have to run the car on PETROL. It will have less power, jerks & missing and overall crappy engine when running on petrol, unless u retard the timing by moving distributor every time u convert to petrol & again when converting to CNG.
    Note: A single loose wire on an EFI car can BURN your ECU costing u Rs 15000-20000.

    Types of ADVANCERS/EMULATORS
    1. EMULATOR ONLY
    2. ADVANCER ONLY
    3. A 2in1 ADVANCER/EMULATOR

    Installing an EMULATOR only is no problem. It normally has a blu wire which is connected to the blue power wire of CNG Kit solenoid in the engine compartment. The black wire is grounded with body & the original holders of injectors are pulled off & plugged into the plugs of EMULATOR & Holders on emulator wire harness are plugged into the injectors. DONE ( A 5 Minutes JOB)

    Installing a 2in1 ADVANCER/ EMULATOR
    I have seen many different brands but most of them are local made with chinese chips. Dont worry even they have different varities. a good chinese 1 will do the job. As in my case i bought a TOMASETTO LOVATTO NEW CIP5 in Rs 1800.
    You only have to get correct wiring harness along with it according to your cars brand.
    The Only wires which you have to find out are the wires from your MAP/MAF sensor & TPS (throttle position sensor)
    These wires can be found with the help of a voltmeter. You have to find out the wire that gives variable signal to ECU b/w 0-5 volts.
    An easy way to find out the wires is to download the servive manual of ur car if u dont have it already by google. the manual will tell u the location of both sensors ant the wire u need to know.
    Just cut the Signal wire of MAP/MAF sensor and connect with the device wiring as per the diagram below. then find wire of TPS but dont cut it, only peal it a little & connect the yellow wire as per digram.
    Connect the BLUE wire to power 12v of CNG solenoid.
    Ground the black wire to the body.
    Connect the holders of fuel injectors as described above
    & U R DONE.

    Now if u have an oxygen sensor then connect it as per previous procedure. most old cars dont have oxygen sensor. Otherwise leave oxygen sensor wiring untouched.

    Now switch ON the IGNITION. No lights will be there on the device. Now start the engine and switch over to CNG. The lights on the device should turn ON.
    Description of LEDs
    RED (right most) is the indicator for ADVANCE ACTIVATED. it should turn ON when u press the accelerator only.
    GREEN (2nd on right) should be on when idling and not accelerating. the red light will be off at that time.
    Forget abt the remaining three lights on the left if u have not connected the oxygen sensor.

    FINE TUNING
    1. Now its time for fine tuning ur system. Let the engine run till the time it reaches its normal operating temperature or the radiator fan turns ON.
    2. Get your timing light if u have one & set the ignition timing on factory default by moving the distributor if required. THE TIMING MUST BE SET TO FACTORY DEFAULT & ENGINE RUNNING ON PETROL (NOT CNG)
    3. If u dont have timing light then go to any mechanic & tell him to set the original timing on petrol. just a 5 minutes job. Should be free.
    Now turn ur engine OFF & set the 4 switches on the device as under
    1. ON (down) (OFF for standard advance on all speeds, ON for Dynamic advance as per the vehicle speed)
    2. OFF (UP) (Only works if oxygen sensor connected)
    3. ON (down) (Only works if oxygen sensor connected)
    4. (UP) ( down for dynamic advance adjustment OFF and UP for dynamic advance adjustment ON)
    5. Now Start ur engine & switch over to CNG. The lights should turn on.
    6. At idling, only green light should be ON, when accelerating, only red light should be ON. If it is like that then u r done & enjoy the ride.
    7. If the red light is always ON or turn ON after increasing lots of acceleration then adjust the advancer with the help of a turnable swith inside the RIGHT MOST HOLE beside the red light.
    8. Let ur engine idle & insert a small screw driver into the hole & turn the screw fully right or left until the Green light turns ON. Then very slowly move it in reverse direction until RED light turns on. Now at this position move it slightly back so that the GREEN light is ON again but dont move any further.
    9 Now the setup should be like this:
    - Green light ON when idling on CNG
    - RED light must turn oN when u start pressing the accelerator.
    Everything is done & ready. ENjoy ur ride on PETROL as well as on CNG alike.

    Advantages which I Got
    1. The low power situation on CNG was solved.
    2. Car runs smoother on CNG as well as petrol w/o missing , jerks etc
    3. More mileage.
    4. Solved idling problem on CNG
    5. Bogging/ low power till 1500 rpm vanished. i can now move the car with AC ON even in 2nd gear from hault.

    WHAT ELSE DO YOU WAnt?
    just in case anyone interested......

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    Originally Posted by irfan44
    THIS IS APPLICABLE TO ALL EFI CARS WHETHER THEY HAVE A DISTRIBUTOR ON NOT
    I have a civic 99. It has an engine with a distributor and rotor, unlike new cars that have Coil over Plug ignition system ( Direct Ignition) without a distributor.
    I wanted to install an Advancer/ Emulator in my car but the mechanics were not approving it. as they said that advancer cannot be installed in this car mainly due to presence of distributor.
    So i decided to do it myself.
    Here is some info about the Advancers & Emulators.

    Function of Emulator
    It fools the ECU of your car that the injectors are working and the car is running on petrol even when it is running on CNG.
    It also saves your INJECTORS from damage as it turns OFF the injectors when car is running on CNG.

    Function of Advancer
    It Fools the ECU by manipulating the signals to ECU by various sensors. It intercepts the sensor signals & sends corrected/manipulated signals to the ECU so the ECU Advances the ignition timing as per the sensor signal automatically.
    Basically it is installed so that ignition timing of the vehicle remains at default settings for PETROL as u drive on PETROL and automatically advances when you convert to CNG, without having to move the DISTRIBUTOR physically.
    So the vehicle runs perfectly on PETROL as well as on CNG.

    Normal Practice by Local Mechanics
    I hav seen many EFI cars w/o advancer & emulator. (My car was 1 of them). Basically the mechs cut out the power wires of all injectors so the injectors wont run on CNG. So if u dont want to mess with the wiring, install an EMULTOR.
    They generally dont install an ADVANCER & set the ignition timing as per CNG & say that u normally run ur car on CNG so it is OK. But what if we have to run the car on PETROL. It will have less power, jerks & missing and overall crappy engine when running on petrol, unless u retard the timing by moving distributor every time u convert to petrol & again when converting to CNG.
    Note: A single loose wire on an EFI car can BURN your ECU costing u Rs 15000-20000.

    Types of ADVANCERS/EMULATORS
    1. EMULATOR ONLY
    2. ADVANCER ONLY
    3. A 2in1 ADVANCER/EMULATOR

    Installing an EMULATOR only is no problem. It normally has a blu wire which is connected to the blue power wire of CNG Kit solenoid in the engine compartment. The black wire is grounded with body & the original holders of injectors are pulled off & plugged into the plugs of EMULATOR & Holders on emulator wire harness are plugged into the injectors. DONE ( A 5 Minutes JOB)

    Installing a 2in1 ADVANCER/ EMULATOR
    I have seen many different brands but most of them are local made with chinese chips. Dont worry even they have different varities. a good chinese 1 will do the job. As in my case i bought a TOMASETTO LOVATTO NEW CIP5 in Rs 1800.
    You only have to get correct wiring harness along with it according to your cars brand.
    The Only wires which you have to find out are the wires from your MAP/MAF sensor & TPS (throttle position sensor)
    These wires can be found with the help of a voltmeter. You have to find out the wire that gives variable signal to ECU b/w 0-5 volts.
    An easy way to find out the wires is to download the servive manual of ur car if u dont have it already by google. the manual will tell u the location of both sensors ant the wire u need to know.
    Just cut the Signal wire of MAP/MAF sensor and connect with the device wiring as per the diagram below. then find wire of TPS but dont cut it, only peal it a little & connect the yellow wire as per digram.
    Connect the BLUE wire to power 12v of CNG solenoid.
    Ground the black wire to the body.
    Connect the holders of fuel injectors as described above
    & U R DONE.

    Now if u have an oxygen sensor then connect it as per previous procedure. most old cars dont have oxygen sensor. Otherwise leave oxygen sensor wiring untouched.

    Now switch ON the IGNITION. No lights will be there on the device. Now start the engine and switch over to CNG. The lights on the device should turn ON.
    Description of LEDs
    RED (right most) is the indicator for ADVANCE ACTIVATED. it should turn ON when u press the accelerator only.
    GREEN (2nd on right) should be on when idling and not accelerating. the red light will be off at that time.
    Forget abt the remaining three lights on the left if u have not connected the oxygen sensor.

    FINE TUNING
    1. Now its time for fine tuning ur system. Let the engine run till the time it reaches its normal operating temperature or the radiator fan turns ON.
    2. Get your timing light if u have one & set the ignition timing on factory default by moving the distributor if required. THE TIMING MUST BE SET TO FACTORY DEFAULT & ENGINE RUNNING ON PETROL (NOT CNG)
    3. If u dont have timing light then go to any mechanic & tell him to set the original timing on petrol. just a 5 minutes job. Should be free.
    Now turn ur engine OFF & set the 4 switches on the device as under
    1. ON (down) (OFF for standard advance on all speeds, ON for Dynamic advance as per the vehicle speed)
    2. OFF (UP) (Only works if oxygen sensor connected)
    3. ON (down) (Only works if oxygen sensor connected)
    4. (UP) ( down for dynamic advance adjustment OFF and UP for dynamic advance adjustment ON)
    5. Now Start ur engine & switch over to CNG. The lights should turn on.
    6. At idling, only green light should be ON, when accelerating, only red light should be ON. If it is like that then u r done & enjoy the ride.
    7. If the red light is always ON or turn ON after increasing lots of acceleration then adjust the advancer with the help of a turnable swith inside the RIGHT MOST HOLE beside the red light.
    8. Let ur engine idle & insert a small screw driver into the hole & turn the screw fully right or left until the Green light turns ON. Then very slowly move it in reverse direction until RED light turns on. Now at this position move it slightly back so that the GREEN light is ON again but dont move any further.
    9 Now the setup should be like this:
    - Green light ON when idling on CNG
    - RED light must turn oN when u start pressing the accelerator.
    Everything is done & ready. ENjoy ur ride on PETROL as well as on CNG alike.

    Advantages which I Got
    1. The low power situation on CNG was solved.
    2. Car runs smoother on CNG as well as petrol w/o missing , jerks etc
    3. More mileage.
    4. Solved idling problem on CNG
    5. Bogging/ low power till 1500 rpm vanished. i can now move the car with AC ON even in 2nd gear from hault.

    WHAT ELSE DO YOU WAnt?
    just in case anyone interested......

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    Quote Originally Posted by guybwp View Post
    and also i wanted to know if emulator is necesary to be installed aswell? or is it just ok if i install the advancer?
    Please go ahead and install the platinos 531 advancer in your car. You can also skip the emulator by installing a relay with injector and fuel pump, that will deactivate them while the engine is running on CNG, by using the petrol wire from the CNG switch as a relay trigger.
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    Quote Originally Posted by testdriver View Post
    Please go ahead and install the platinos 531 advancer in your car. You can also skip the emulator by installing a relay with injector and fuel pump, that will deactivate them while the engine is running on CNG, by using the petrol wire from the CNG switch as a relay trigger.
    thx for the advise....TESTDRIVER....i will install that advancer and hopefully the mechanic knows how to install the relays as 90percent dnt know about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by guybwp View Post
    thx for the advise....TESTDRIVER....i will install that advancer and hopefully the mechanic knows how to install the relays as 90percent dnt know about it.
    I will be anxiously waiting for the results. Pl do give us the details once you are done.....Looking Forward

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    Quote Originally Posted by testdriver View Post
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    VSS is Vehicle Speed Sensor located on the gear box. The speedometer cable at the gear box side inserts into VSS and VSS inserts into the gear box. ECM reads vehicle speed from VSS and control various engine parameters accordingly.






    Digital Meter is short now a days, but if you are lucky enough to get one, it will cost around Rs.6-7K. Installation will cost around Rs.1.5K.
    Dear my VSS is not working can you tell me the way out ?

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