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    Proton Fan Club of Pakistan.


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    now for somemcontribution from me....

    I went to the Lahore Proton Motors showroom on Friday. Here is what i thought of the cars myself, and what the other people who had come to see had to say.

    The Saga.

    Overall the Saga despite being such an old model looks good, especially from the back, and the nose and bonnet details are also very nice. The body is extremely firm and of very heavy gauge metal, Suzuki is teen ka daba infromt of it. Just to prove this fact and to see if I was wrong I asked a couple of other people to lift up its bonnet and most of them were pleased with its weight!!!!
    The interior is Guzara, infront it is tight and the rear seats are almost impractical for adults, I could'nt even sit normally without my head touching the roof. The most sickening thing is the childish and badly finished meter display panel.
    In the boot there is lots of room for a suitcase and other bags even with the C.N.G tank, and BTW the whole kit is very neatly installed.
    Summing it up, a guy who already owned a Cultus said to me, that he would buy this car anyday instead of the Cultus.
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    The Gen2

    The Gen2 is a very nice car to look at, from all angles it is pleasing to the eye.

    Sitting in the drivers seat of the Gen2 is a very pleasing experience, if you do not mind the abundance of medium qualtiy plastic. The driving position is excellent and gives one a sports car like fell. The meter display is also very nicely laid out and gives the driver more of a sports car feel. The thing I especially liked the most was the Porsche 911 style watch on top of the middle of the dash.
    The rear seats have plenty of legroom for a car of this class but again the designers flushed practicality down the toilet while designing the rear roofline. By a margin of just 3-4 inces they have made it impractical for adults, and one has to push oneself down on the seat to prevent the head from hitting the roof.
    Fair amount of room in the boot with C.N.G tank but nothing to write home about.
    No issues with quality and finish, just some reservation about the materials used.
    A nice car for a young family or the odd person who wants something sporty.
    Cant wait till the Gen2 aftermarket perfomance parts hit the market. This baby can become a real beast, much more scope of modification in this car than the City or Liana.
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    Need to catch up on some sleep now

    Will write about the Wira and the Impian later on.

    Those of you who do not like Proton

    GO DO SOMETHING PRODUCTIVE instead of getting into useless arguments.

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    PS: Disregard the typos and grammatical mistakes I was half asleep while typing this.

    :-)
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    I have been driving one for 2 years and condeming Proron has been the most productive thing I do in the forums.

    Love the car, hate the manufacturer.

    Well, at least it makes me a better home-mechanics.. haha!
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    @drexchan
    are you working for proton's competitors if not , you must drive your car like tarzan
    I say saga and gen 2 wil rule, but was really sad to hear about saga's interior
    it looks good in pictures ,, maybe thats an advertisement ...

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    The Wira

    As we all know that the Wira is the peeli taxi model of the Lancer. The Wira is quite spacious in the frint seat, it has the same medium quality plastic dash and the overall look is nothing special. There is plenty of headroom up front and the seats are also comfortable.
    In the rear the Wira is a lot more sensible then the Saga and the Gen2, there is plenty of headroom unlike the other two and i bet three adults will be able to sit in comfort at the back.
    There is plenty of room in the boot despite the presence of a CNG cylinder
    Overall a practical family car with a tough body and proven reliabilty. It will appeal more to the people who have the traditional mindset and believe that the older model cars were better than what is being sold today.
    KNOW THYSELF!---When it is dark enough, you can see the stars---Is it us who live in fantasy, or is it reality, which is unreal.---The thoughts you have,is the stuff you are--Billy was a thirsty boy but now he is no more, cause' what he thought was H2O was H2SO4.

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    good reviews @autobanda bhai.
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    @RocketMan,
    Not funny. I am just telling the truth - first hand experience.
    more about my car:http://drexchan.fotopic.net/
    :::: people must respect you are you can't be the leader :::: Best way to know a Proton is to ask a Malaysian ::::

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    after all, i think the motoring scenario here in MY is totally different with PK.

    Small little annoying problems for us might not be a biggie for you.

    Problems accumulated over almost 30 months:
    Clutch grinding noise, burst horn, loosen headlight reflectors, rusty innerwall of the brake caliper piston, failed wheel bearing, suspension noise, rattling dash board, throttle body that require frequent cleaning, loosen timing belt.. and counting.

    Oh.. no biggie.. (??)

    Never miss a scheduled service. Consumables are replaced with all genuine parts.

    Anyway, engine is reliable although FC a little bit high at today's standard. It's roomy, infact it's the "most metal one can get at its price". Ride and handling just so-so. NVH can be annoying. Parts are cheap. Modification options abundent.
    :::: people must respect you are you can't be the leader :::: Best way to know a Proton is to ask a Malaysian ::::

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    The Only Doubt I have is abt the Constant Supply of Parts..
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    wow so many problems , no sir these problems are not minor....

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    Proton dealers, if your man is reading this.

    I am not trying to be bad-mouth about Proton but as a Proton owner, it's my responsibility to inform the future buyers.

    I have no comments on other models or somebody else's car but only MY Wira.
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    @drexchan
    that is a preety good site u got ..

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    Thanks. I can see that there are 9 entries from Pakistan (Islamabad, Lahore and Karachi) and 6 from Saudi Arabia.. hehe!
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    Mr. drxchan .. please tell me that in 1 picture it shows that your ride is at 80 horsepower and so on after a nitrus purge ... what exactly horse power you get after sooooooooooo many modifications .. and you arent using double tip platinm plugs ????
    your car is very preety , what top speed do u get ...

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    @DrChan

    I like the way u perceive things..... peppy!

    http://drexchan.fotopic.net/p18488839.html

    http://drexchan.fotopic.net/p18488840.html

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    is it drink can , i call it recycling

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    @Rocketman
    please tell me that in 1 picture it shows that your ride is at 80 horsepower and so on after a nitrus purge ... what exactly horse power you get after sooooooooooo many modifications .. and you arent using double tip platinm plugs ???? your car is very preety , what top speed do u get ...

    I think this is the photo you just mentioned.

    That wasn't my car. That was my friend's car. An older version of Wira, running on Mitsubishi ECU. It recorded almost 98ps with just very little N2O purged from the filter housing. Just to show the potential of the engine in a very crude way.

    This is the chart for my car. A healthy 84ps was recorded. So far the highest among the gang, with no modification done on the engine.

    Judging that the factory figure for the engine output is rated at 90ps on-crank, getting 84ps on-wheel is already very healthy. Add 10 - 15% on the figure should give me about 92ps - 97ps on-crank.

    Engine Modification List:
    K&N panel filter
    cold air intake (D.I.Y.)
    oil catch tank (D.I.Y.)
    adjustable fuel pressure regulator
    customized ground cables (own product)
    customized voltage stabilizer (own product)
    Bosch Super 4 spark plugs
    Wira SE factory exhaust system: 1.75" ID mandrel-bent 4-2-1 header, 1.75" ID mandrel-bent piping, straight-flow center- and end-muffler
    Double-tip platinum spark plugs? Mine has 4 ground electrodes - The BOSCH Super 4.

    Platinum plugs are just for the durability, not for any significant performance gain. Also please forget about using the so-called "Performance Plug Cables", stock cables are always the best in term of smooth delivery and reliability.

    BTw, the car already has more than enough power than it can handle on the bends therefore I am more concern on the ride & handling.

    Chassis and wheels modification list:
    Wira 1.8 shock absorbers (gas-filled)
    Wira SE coil springs
    Coupe/Putra rear lower arm + anti-roll bar (15mm)
    Original front antiroll bar (20mm)
    SuperPro polyurethane tensioning bushes (front ARB link)
    15" Titan Racing lightweight alloy
    195/50R15 Falken Azenis ST115/Bridgestone MY01 (front/rear)
    UTR 4-point front strut bar
    UTR 3-point fender bar
    From these lists you can see that most modification are done with parts from existing Proton/Mitsubishi models, instead of expensive aftermarket stuffs. Personally thinks that this is a more sensible way.

    As for the vacuum gauge.. sadly, this happened:Just Because of A Vacuum Gauge
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    impressive ... whats the 0 - 100 km/h you get on this car, i think it might not beat a civic but it looks solid and looks long life ..
    these days a stock civic is way above 100 hp

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    Come on! A 1.6/1.7 V-TEC is in a completely different league!

    It does 0-100km/h in 11.5 sec fastest, which is sadly, way too slow to even smell the V-TEC smoke on straight.

    A complete car is not about acceleration G-force or top-speed.. It's also about handling, about how the power is put on the tarmac and how many lateral G it does on bends.

    Ate a few 1.6 V-TEC on hill climbing and B-road.
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