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    Update: Bought the Yokohama C-Drives (195/60R15) for 30K (including balancing + nozzles ).

    Right now, I need help with removing the springs from my W201. I need to change the front + rear spring bump pads from (4dot front and 3dot rear) to (1dot front and 1dot rear). In order to do this, i need to remove the springs and I need to know if Shahnawaz (islamabad) or any proper workshop in Islamabad might have the proper tool to remove the springs.

    Mercedes recommends the tool shown below and I dont want to risk the car being damaged by using desi tools to remove the springs.

    Any help would be appreciated.

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    I need to get the tires today so a little help will be great.
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    of all these i would recommend option 7.

    option 1) haven't heard good reviews about it
    2) have used it once didn't like it much, preferred LM 702 japan
    3)no idea sorry
    4) have driven a car with them, very poor grip would wheelsman easily
    5)Kumho solus, just okay but i would want more form them on a mercedes
    6) pretty avg, not too good not bad, but low rolling resistance tyre and it suffers from same grip problem plus slightly noisy too
    7) good all rounder
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    yokohama dna db in 195/60r15 will do just fine if u can find them, i have used them twice in my rides, excellent road grip with low noice. bol
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    Quote Originally Posted by arzaam.bhatti View Post
    of all these i would recommend option 7.

    option 1) haven't heard good reviews about it
    2) have used it once didn't like it much, preferred LM 702 japan
    3)no idea sorry
    4) have driven a car with them, very poor grip would wheelsman easily
    5)Kumho solus, just okay but i would want more form them on a mercedes
    6) pretty avg, not too good not bad, but low rolling resistance tyre and it suffers from same grip problem plus slightly noisy too
    7) good all rounder
    Thanks arzaam. Some members on the international forum also suggested these. However, due to the different road conditions, i put this query up here too.

    My choices were the C-drive, Solus and VEuro. However the VEuro are quite pricy even though they have excellent repo. The Solus are great tires too but people report the sidewalls bending when the vehicle is loaded. But other than that, excellent tires. And since my merc is mostly driven on motorways or islamabad + No luggage or extra people, I thought the Kumhos might be good. The C-drive though has the best reputation on TiresReview.co.uk.

    Quote Originally Posted by archon2001 View Post
    yokohama dna db in 195/60r15 will do just fine if u can find them, i have used them twice in my rides, excellent road grip with low noice. bol
    The dna db have mediocre wet grip. But thanks
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    do you have any label on the fuel filler flap mentioning tyre brands? mine has one giving approved tyre brands and kumho, and possibly yokohoma (i am not sure) were not included in it. ill show a picture of it later

    some mercedes such as SL say only to use dunlop or continental tyres. you may want to base your final choice on basis of that.

    you cant go wrong with C drives though, and you are already using kumhos which have served you well. best of luck
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    My vote is also for C drive.
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    I got yokohama advan db oct 2014 manufacturing date in my corolla. Size is 205/65 r15 and I am simply loving it. The car feel so soft n stable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by invincible_doc View Post
    I got yokohama advan db oct 2014 manufacturing date in my corolla. Size is 205/65 r15 and I am simply loving it. The car feel so soft n stable.
    Excellent sir. However 1) the size you have is overkill for my car and 2) advan db isnt available in 195/55R15, 195/60R15 or 205/55R15. Atleast not in Islamabad/Peshawar.

    Calling Speed Tyres, Bridgestone official retailer and Tyre club in lahore for info regarding 205/55R15. I have bought the C-drives in 195/60R15 but they are still lying packed incase I find my desired tire.

    If you know any shops in lahore, please do let me know. The only tire I can find in 205/55R15 is the Yokohama S-drive which is a sport tire and dsnt suit my needs.
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    i deal with tyre club a lot, went their for my mercedes as i ideally also wanted 205/55 r15 but they didn't have it. intact none of the big shops i tried in lahore had it and one which did had bridgestones with manufacturing date of 2011.

    so i settled for 205/60.

    you have bought the right tyre 195/60 r 15 and good choice of C drive. i dont think at least in lahore you'll find 205/55.
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    I dont know why most PKDM cars have 65 profile tyre. Ideal would be 55 or 60. e.g 205/60/15
    Tyres which i have used with my experience:
    Yokohama Advan DB+ 195/60/15 nice grippy tyres i replaced them at 50k still had much tread left but 50k is ideal time to replace
    Michellen Energy 205/60/16 good wet grip but had to replace them at 35k they lost their grip and on every bump they sounded heavy
    Prillei Cinturato P7 205/55/16 nice high end tyre all seasoned have driven them 30k good going till now will replace them at 50k

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmedraja1996 View Post
    I dont know why most PKDM cars have 65 profile tyre. Ideal would be 55 or 60. e.g 205/60/15
    Tyres which i have used with my experience:
    Yokohama Advan DB+ 195/60/15 nice grippy tyres i replaced them at 50k still had much tread left but 50k is ideal time to replace
    Michellen Energy 205/60/16 good wet grip but had to replace them at 35k they lost their grip and on every bump they sounded heavy
    Prillei Cinturato P7 205/55/16 nice high end tyre all seasoned have driven them 30k good going till now will replace them at 50k
    sir, coudnt find yoko advan db in 195/60R15. where did u get those from and for how much? im looking for 205/55R15 so do u have any idea where these could be bought from?
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    Quote Originally Posted by devils_smile View Post
    sir, coudnt find yoko advan db in 195/60R15. where did u get those from and for how much? im looking for 205/55R15 so do u have any idea where these could be bought from?
    Visit saddar rawalpindi, they have all sizes for yokohama and dunlop in 15-17"

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    Update: Bought the C-drives and the 195 profile on the 7" wheels give an amazing look to the car. I did find the wheels a little hard on my first day out compared to the Kumho's but theyr only driven 30km's so far. I guess I might give them some time to break in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by devils_smile View Post
    Update: Bought the Yokohama C-Drives (195/60R15) for 30K (including balancing + nozzles ).

    Right now, I need help with removing the springs from my W201. I need to change the front + rear spring bump pads from (4dot front and 3dot rear) to (1dot front and 1dot rear). In order to do this, i need to remove the springs and I need to know if Shahnawaz (islamabad) or any proper workshop in Islamabad might have the proper tool to remove the springs.

    Mercedes recommends the tool shown below and I dont want to risk the car being damaged by using desi tools to remove the springs.

    Any help would be appreciated.

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    I will not comment on the tires - but about the compressor, this is the only safest way to remove and install front springs on an old mercedes, there are other ways involving a jack and block of wood and being on the other side of the working area (i.e. hide under the car while lowering jack)

    the problem with benz front springs is that they are very long - you will be surprised how long they are.

    the rears are easy, and are easily done with just a jack. But you can be german type detail oriented and do them with the compressor - might as well have kaffe and strudel later too.

    In any case - if you disturb the padding thickness make sure you get the car aligned again and make sure the alignment guy knows what hes doing. its extremely easy to misalign these cars - which then the owner pays through by quick wearing front tyres.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xulfiqar View Post
    I will not comment on the tires - but about the compressor, this is the only safest way to remove and install front springs on an old mercedes, there are other ways involving a jack and block of wood and being on the other side of the working area (i.e. hide under the car while lowering jack)

    the problem with benz front springs is that they are very long - you will be surprised how long they are.

    the rears are easy, and are easily done with just a jack. But you can be german type detail oriented and do them with the compressor - might as well have kaffe and strudel later too.

    In any case - if you disturb the padding thickness make sure you get the car aligned again and make sure the alignment guy knows what hes doing. its extremely easy to misalign these cars - which then the owner pays through by quick wearing front tyres.

    I would rather have the springs removed by a specialist who knows what he's doing using the compressor rather than risk destroying the car.

    I have seen old mercs and their springs being changed using god know's what methods by the mechanics but I wanted to know if Shahnawaz might have these spring compressors.

    I plan on getting the car alligned after the pads are changed IA.

    BTW, I noticed the left front wheel is sticking out more towards the fender compared to the right front. I made sure the wheels were properly secured and that I had the same offset wheels installed at the front. Could this be a camber problem on either of the wheels? The rears sit nice and even with the fenders.
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    i dont believe shahnawaz has the machine either, they are not very well equipped either, infact toyota showrooms have more advanced wheel alignment machines then them even though doing alignment of a mercedes is more complicated and skilled job

    maybe INH has this machine as they do suspension work everyday, you may call them and ask them, shahnawaz wont let you bring your own parts any way so might as try INH but make sure before hand they actually got the tools and know what they are doing regarding this job
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    Quote Originally Posted by devils_smile View Post
    I would rather have the springs removed by a specialist who knows what he's doing using the compressor rather than risk destroying the car.

    I have seen old mercs and their springs being changed using god know's what methods by the mechanics but I wanted to know if Shahnawaz might have these spring compressors.

    I plan on getting the car alligned after the pads are changed IA.

    BTW, I noticed the left front wheel is sticking out more towards the fender compared to the right front. I made sure the wheels were properly secured and that I had the same offset wheels installed at the front. Could this be a camber problem on either of the wheels? The rears sit nice and even with the fenders.
    Sh Ltd have this spring compressor, they also have a very basic optical alignment machine but they have one critical piece - the five finger unit that goes into the wheels - if you notice all mercedes wheels have 5 little holes near the lug bolts, they are placed for the alignment jig so it can directly rest on the hub and they also have the spreader bar which is nothing but a spring loaded bar placed between the leading edge of the front wheels. And they know the steps to align the car - the trick only lies in the steps.

    if your alignment shop does not have that mount jig (which they wont), then get them to mount the regular large clamp to the wheels - the car can be aligned by it too.

    centre the steering perfectly - loosen the tie rod adjusters fully and dial the toe to zero - now set the caster angle, and whilst testing and returning it back to the centre position make sure the toe is zero again - then proceed to adjust the camber - dial toe to zero again and then do a final test on both camber and caster to ensure they are perfect and toe is zero.

    Now adjust the toe in - but first arrest the steering wheel dead on center - the spreader bar can be duplicated with a jack and a piece of wood slightly tightened - its only job is to simulate spread out as the car will roll down the road in real life. There is a slight difference, dial an extra few minutes if you dont have the spreader.


    I find it best to repack and readjust the wheel bearings with fresh grease before alignment is done on these old MB.



    p.s. if you find one wheel is sticking out of the fender more then check the alignment of the body panel rather than assuming the frame is bent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by devils_smile View Post
    I would rather have the springs removed by a specialist who knows what he's doing using the compressor rather than risk destroying the car.

    I have seen old mercs and their springs being changed using god know's what methods by the mechanics but I wanted to know if Shahnawaz might have these spring compressors.

    I plan on getting the car alligned after the pads are changed IA.

    BTW, I noticed the left front wheel is sticking out more towards the fender compared to the right front. I made sure the wheels were properly secured and that I had the same offset wheels installed at the front. Could this be a camber problem on either of the wheels? The rears sit nice and even with the fenders.

    Not using this compressor does not risk destroying the car but more has risk of killing the person who is removing the spring.
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