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    Default Proof of Ravi storm 125 as being Chinese origin

    Since the day one of introduction of Ravi storm 125, its marketers have always tried to lie on the question about:

    Where its engine and other parts are imported from?

    And the answer is like this stated on their website:

    Ravi Piaggio 125: is it 100% Italian, Imported or Local Assembled?

    The Ravi Piaggio 125 or Ravi Storm 125 is designed by Italian Engineers. Its 80% parts are imported and 20% parts are manufactured in Pakistan. Being as an OEM standard manufacturing concern we are also manufacturing 10% parts in our factory (Ravi Automobile). The bike is then assembled in Pakistan.

    Here is the link:
    Ravi Piaggio 125: is it 100% Italian, Imported or Local Assembled? | Ravi Motorcycles

    somehow, they always forget to mention that they are OEM of ZPFM China and not of Piaggio Italy. The same abhorrent policy has always been applied by their supporters all the time even knowingly that what they are claiming is a lie.

    It has always remained a debate on Ravi Piaggio threads but the stubborn headed persons have always refused to admit that its a motorcycle coming from ZPFM China.

    In the past mamehmood and sbrana of Ravi motorcycles also tried the same policy on their forums, but they could not withstand the proofs provided by the Pakwheels members and eventually agreed on that its a ZPFM China product. One of the oldest Ravi Storm 125 thread was closed at the request of mamehmood who could not withstand the questions of its buyers.

    In recent days, some members are again lying and boasting about Ravi storm 125 as not being coming from China.

    These so called fans are trying to proof that this motorcycle is either being manufactured in Pakistan with the collaboration of Piaggio Italy, or its engine or other parts are coming direct from Italy. But the things are opposite to it.

    Though most of the guys know its origin, and they have always bashed the liars, but still some of the marketers always try to make others
    fool, and even ridicule the honest riders which hurts a lot of people.

    I am making this thread so that every body will once and forever know whats the truth. I think I have enough proof to claim that I am right. I will also ask my fellows to support me with valid links and information so that we could proof that right is always right.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 7thgear View Post
    Agreed that Honda's quality has deteriorated over the past few years. My 03 Cg125 is still far better than several 11 models I have seen on the road, but still when it comes to the engine Honda leaves others far behind.

    The problem with Chinese products is, China adds much pomp and show to a hollow product. Consult a mechanic and he will tell you that the front wheel hub of a Chinese bike develops cracks in it within a year while a Japanese bike's hub will be running good enough for a decade or so. Same is true for the sophisticated engine parts which in China made engine leak away and are melted whereas in Japan made engines such a problem is few and far between.

    These among others are the reasons that I am a big nay sayer to the Chinese products.
    bro you are ABSOLUTELY right. you know when i wanted to put disc set up in my GS150 I used old front wheel hub or GTO. That hub was atleast 20 years old but was still stronger than that of Chonda bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueHorn View Post
    bro you are ABSOLUTELY right. you know when i wanted to put disc set up in my GS150 I used old front wheel hub or GTO. That hub was atleast 20 years old but was still stronger than that of Chonda bikes.
    u cud have much older then gto
    30 years old yamaha rx n i tell u that is much stronger then gto,s hub
    i showed a hub to @mastterr100, he can explain it well
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    agreed to @ rx115
    i saw that hub and hub nahi wo habba tha chonda hubs ka abba tha
    legend will revive soon

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silver_Knife View Post
    No one gives a ____ about it whether is from china italy or shekupura. If it is from china then what?? China is biggest industry of the world if someone is telling that its from china then i dont think there isnt any point of discussion cuz you have the product from the biggest industry of the world
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    true, China is a 2nd largest economy of the world, if i am not wrong
    Chines are also the manufacturer of the top brands of the world,
    there is no reason to think **** regarding their abilities,but all depends on buyers interest that what they buy from them
    @all plz calm down
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    Here are results of my hard search

    An Italian thread also telling the true story.

    Here is the Italian version of the link:
    il dilemma di Colaninno - Pagina 25 - Forum di Finanzaonline.com

    The above link can be translated using google transation service.

    Here is the translated version from the google.com

    Google Translate


    I hope the above links will work for all but for convenience, here is the relevant discussion:

    The Zongshen Piaggio Foshan Motorcycle (ZPFM), a joint venture established in 2004 by Piaggio and China's Zongshen Industrial Group, has signed an agreement with the Pakistani HKF Engineering for the production of motorcycles in Pakistan.The HKF is a subsidiary of the Ravi, based in Lahore, active in the automotive industry for decades, and currently produces 125cc models marketed in Pakistan by the name of the group.The agreement covers the production and distribution of new models Euro-II (first in Pakistan), the first of which will be launched on August 14.Among the most popular Pakistani brand, with 25,000 units sold last fiscal year, the Ravi is compared with giants like Honda, by far the leader with about 450,000 units, with about 65,000 Yamaha and Suzuki with 35,000.The agreement with ZPFM comes against a backdrop of strong growth in the domestic motorcycle market, that marked-as regards the main-homes sales increased by 240% over the past five years, in the wake of lower prices and of credit facilities that have made the purchase of motorcycles more accessible to a wide range of poorer people.



    It is clearly stating that the contract is between ZPFM China and HKF engineering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bike_junky View Post
    Here are results of my hard search

    An Italian thread also telling the true story.

    Here is the Italian version of the link:
    Quote Originally Posted by bike_junky View Post
    il dilemma di Colaninno - Pagina 25 - Forum di Finanzaonline.com

    The above link can be translated using google transation service.

    Here is the translated version from the google.com

    Google Translate


    I hope the above links will work for all but for convenience, here is the relevant discussion:

    The Zongshen Piaggio Foshan Motorcycle (ZPFM), a joint venture established in 2004 by Piaggio and China's Zongshen Industrial Group, has signed an agreement with the Pakistani HKF Engineering for the production of motorcycles in Pakistan.The HKF is a subsidiary of the Ravi, based in Lahore, active in the automotive industry for decades, and currently produces 125cc models marketed in Pakistan by the name of the group.The agreement covers the production and distribution of new models Euro-II (first in Pakistan), the first of which will be launched on August 14.Among the most popular Pakistani brand, with 25,000 units sold last fiscal year, the Ravi is compared with giants like Honda, by far the leader with about 450,000 units, with about 65,000 Yamaha and Suzuki with 35,000.The agreement with ZPFM comes against a backdrop of strong growth in the domestic motorcycle market, that marked-as regards the main-homes sales increased by 240% over the past five years, in the wake of lower prices and of credit facilities that have made the purchase of motorcycles more accessible to a wide range of poorer people.



    It is clearly stating that the contract is between ZPFM China and HKF engineering.


    My friend APOLOGIES if you find my reply offensive but china is providing everyone the spare parts.

    Atlas Honda is also not getting genuine parts from Japan. Its just an extension of HONDA in pakistan. So Ravi Automobiles is an extension of Piaggio. Your point of discussion collapsed here,

    "NOKIA" the tycoon in mobile industry is also getting his parts from china and also getting its cellphone assembled in china.

    I find no point of discussion, its some childish points being debated upon.

    No one gives a damn about Atlas Honda, DYL, Ravi Piaggio, etc etc etc. Nowadays no one gives a damn about chineese or japanese origin. People want affordable products with quality and china is providing it.

    Whats the great deal? If someone is enjoying his ride and loving it he will give a damn about its origin.

    Suzuki an old and reliable name in automobile industry is providing faulty GS150's in pakistan. Has anyone taken some action? Where's that motorcycling welfare organization? Where are those so called "Realistic Opinion" riders? Have anyone sued them?

    The answer is big "NO". Cuz people are getting what they deserve.

    Everyone knows that if these chinese products wouldnt have been in market you would get CD70 for like 1 lac and CG125 for like 2 lacs. China is forcing USA and Japan to lower thier prices and in near future he will cross them. China is cutting thier products by provide cheap and lasting products.

    Now coming onto ravi piaggio, China is the 2nd largest industry in the world and if someone's says CHONDA or some crap like that, nothing to give a damn about. You are having the product from greatest indsutry of the world. Thats it. Cheers

    After sales and service = i got my meter replaced 3 times and fuel gauge 1 time. And they are giving excellent feed back.

    Khanthegr8 himself mentioned about Atlas Honda And Yamaha and thier feed back. Even "Booster" himself mentioned his long lasting experience with suzuki for warranty claim.

    Plus search the forums, ravi piaggio has good number of happy customers like me, Vickytulla, Cherry1, Smartdevil etc etc etc. And search again Ravi piaggio has more fans and users than Atlas Honda Deluxe 125 and search again you might find a thread named " best bike in 125 cc class.

    Final verdict :- No one gives a damn about origin, they want stylish rides rather than rides from world war 2. This is the fact except it.

    Tts funny to see how people make fun of each other just because of a bike. Its all about one's experience with a product. If someone has a good experience and shares that, I dont think that anyone should have an issue with that. Its the freedom of speech for both parties. Chill out people. Respecting eachother while making a comment is important.


    By the way you yourself said china zindabad. So end of so called debate.,
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    What is the exact meaning of "Chinese Origin" in your opinion?
    this is the real big question and all discussion depends on it..

    also keep in mind that Apple is American Company and its items are made by Foxconn China . what that says about the origin of apple products ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by asjdsm View Post
    What is the exact meaning of "Chinese Origin" in your opinion?

    also keep in mind that Apple is American Company and its items are made by Foxconn China . what that says about the origin of apple products ?
    5 star.. Logical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by asjdsm View Post
    What is the exact meaning of "Chinese Origin" in your opinion?
    this is the real big question and all discussion depends on it..

    also keep in mind that Apple is American Company and its items are made by Foxconn China . what that says about the origin of apple products ?
    By dictionary the word Origin means:

    1) The place where something begins, where it springs into being.
    2) The source of something's existence or from which it derives or is derived.

    By Chinese origin I mean that Storm 125 engine and other parts are being exported from ZPFM china and not from Italy. No doubt that Piaggio Italy has a joint venture with ZPFM china and Ravi automobiles is in contract with ZPFM China (logically with Piaggio Group China) but their marketers and stakeholders
    have always denied the existence of ZPFM China and that they are importing from China.

    I would always say that its Italian technology and made in China (ZPFM) so its origin is China. Besides as SBrana, asad01 , mamehmood have said and I have also explored a lot but this byq-125 engine is not being made by Italy in any way.
    Its only for Asian markets and made in china plant by ZPFM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bike_junky View Post
    By dictionary the word Origin means:

    1) The place where something begins, where it springs into being.
    2) The source of something's existence or from which it derives or is derived.

    By Chinese origin I mean that Storm 125 engine and other parts are being exported from ZPFM china and not from Italy. No doubt that Piaggio Italy has a joint venture with ZPFM china and Ravi automobiles is in contract with ZPFM China (logically with Piaggio Group China) but their marketers and stakeholders
    have always denied the existence of ZPFM China and that they are importing from China.

    I would always say that its Italian technology and made in China (ZPFM) so its origin is China. Besides as SBrana, asad01 , mamehmood have said and I have also explored a lot but this byq-125 engine is not being made by Italy in any way.
    Its only for Asian markets and made in china plant by ZPFM.
    You need to correct your stats. Origin is something else, Origin of technology is something else. Origin of parts is something else.

    Based on your theory of origin we can proudly say that "
    Cg125 is a local bike" Because more than 90% of its parts are manufactured in Pakistan. However we can say that its japanese technology. Thank you my friend based on your theory of origin i came to conclude that CG125 is local bike. You have indirectly exposed CG125.

    Dont be a keyboard and mouse warrior. Quoting old members posts doesnt counts in authentic information. Kindly provide a proof of ravi saying that
    THEY IMPORT PARTS FROM ITALY. Or else stop crapping.

    Ravi doesnt mentions anywhere that they import parts from italy, they said its italian technology. Your whole so called research collapsed here.

    Here it is what i found:-

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    Quote Originally Posted by asjdsm View Post
    What is the exact meaning of "Chinese Origin" in your opinion?
    this is the real big question and all discussion depends on it..

    also keep in mind that Apple is American Company and its items are made by Foxconn China . what that says about the origin of apple products ?
    I am 100 percent agreed too china produces high quality goods now every famous brand like nikon are now manufacturing in china it's upto company standards that which standard of good it wants from china high or low quality china has potential to produce both kind of goods
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    Quote Originally Posted by bike_junky View Post
    By dictionary the word Origin means:


    1) The place where something begins, where it springs into being.
    2) The source of something's existence or from which it derives or is derived.

    By Chinese origin I mean that Storm 125 engine and other parts are being exported from ZPFM china and not from Italy. No doubt that Piaggio Italy has a joint venture with ZPFM china and Ravi automobiles is in contract with ZPFM China (logically with Piaggio Group China) but their marketers and stakeholders
    have always denied the existence of ZPFM China and that they are importing from China.

    I would always say that its Italian technology and made in China (ZPFM) so its origin is China. Besides as SBrana, asad01 , mamehmood have said and I have also explored a lot but this byq-125 engine is not being made by Italy in any way.
    Its only for Asian markets and made in china plant by ZPFM.
    by your definition of origin you are right ..
    to me origin is more of the place where the R&D has taken place.. so by my logic apples products are American and by yours its Chinese.. as its made in china and most parts are sourced in from other chinese manafacturers ..

    it was that simple..
    its fruitless and useless discussion for e to say ur def is wrong.. both are ok ,, in reality.. and neither is wrong.. its left to personal chhoice..

    i realy liked Harris aka @Hidalo's comment in other post

    Quote Originally Posted by hidalgo View Post
    yar jis k paisay lagay hain us ko koi masl ni to sab aisa kyun keh rahay hain apnay ghar ko CHINA KA LOCK laga kar sab aram se so jatay hain CHINA KA BIKE kia kehta ha?
    thums up to all chonda owners for daily commuting plus uni i will buy a chonda too they are for consumption bhagana ha to but heavy bike

    and remember that china is always looking for TOT.. its hard that china will allow Piaggio to form partnership with Zhongshen ad not Transfer technology. its the numbver one chinese demad for other hi tech companies.. if they go to choina remember they are giving some of their secrets to china. and hina domesticizes it and use them to create products.


    this bike has got good features but its nowadays damn expensive..

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    Quote Originally Posted by umerchaudhary View Post
    I am 100 percent agreed too china produces high quality goods now every famous brand like nikon are now manufacturing in china it's upto company standards that which standard of good it wants from china high or low quality china has potential to produce both kind of goods
    exactly bro. even Apple makes its iphone and ipad from china. So definitely china has ek number mall and and do no. maal

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    i cant understand as to what is it that you guys are always fighting for????
    The Rules R Simple ....... U Break Them - U Die

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    Quote Originally Posted by booster View Post
    i cant understand as to what is it that you guys are always fighting for????
    @booster.. 3,4 guys here just keep on crapping and keep on posting flame's. Everyone's fed up of Ravi Piaggio VS Honda CG125 war.

    @flammers. Kindly do something constructive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silver_Knife View Post


    My friend APOLOGIES if you find my reply offensive but china is providing everyone the spare parts.

    Atlas Honda is also not getting genuine parts from Japan. Its just an extension of HONDA in pakistan. So Ravi Automobiles is an extension of Piaggio. Your point of discussion collapsed here,

    "NOKIA" the tycoon in mobile industry is also getting his parts from china and also getting its cellphone assembled in china.

    I find no point of discussion, its some childish points being debated upon.

    No one gives a damn about Atlas Honda, DYL, Ravi Piaggio, etc etc etc. Nowadays no one gives a damn about chineese or japanese origin. People want affordable products with quality and china is providing it.

    Whats the great deal? If someone is enjoying his ride and loving it he will give a damn about its origin.

    Suzuki an old and reliable name in automobile industry is providing faulty GS150's in pakistan. Has anyone taken some action? Where's that motorcycling welfare organization? Where are those so called "Realistic Opinion" riders? Have anyone sued them?

    The answer is big "NO". Cuz people are getting what they deserve.

    Everyone knows that if these chinese products wouldnt have been in market you would get CD70 for like 1 lac and CG125 for like 2 lacs. China is forcing USA and Japan to lower thier prices and in near future he will cross them. China is cutting thier products by provide cheap and lasting products.

    Now coming onto ravi piaggio, China is the 2nd largest industry in the world and if someone's says CHONDA or some crap like that, nothing to give a damn about. You are having the product from greatest indsutry of the world. Thats it. Cheers

    After sales and service = i got my meter replaced 3 times and fuel gauge 1 time. And they are giving excellent feed back.

    Khanthegr8 himself mentioned about Atlas Honda And Yamaha and thier feed back. Even "Booster" himself mentioned his long lasting experience with suzuki for warranty claim.

    Plus search the forums, ravi piaggio has good number of happy customers like me, Vickytulla, Cherry1, Smartdevil etc etc etc. And search again Ravi piaggio has more fans and users than Atlas Honda Deluxe 125 and search again you might find a thread named " best bike in 125 cc class.

    Final verdict :- No one gives a damn about origin, they want stylish rides rather than rides from world war 2. This is the fact except it.



    By the way you yourself said china zindabad. So end of so called debate.,

    So, atlast hardheaded fanboys have agreed that this Piaggio Strom 125 is coming from ZPFM China.
    Previously the answer of the question to:

    From where storm 125 and its engine parts are coming was like this.

    Its Italian technology with euroII bla bla bla and somehow they always forgot to give the correct answer either deliberately or by ignorance.

    And if some one says that its from China or from ZPFM china the answer would be
    Italian ambassador visit to HKF engineering news.

    Be brave Ravi Storm fans.

    Atleast have the courage to say the truth.

    "That its Italian technology and made in ZPFM China for Asian Countries"

    In short its Italian technology and Made in China and assembled in Pakistan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silver_Knife View Post
    No one gives a ____ about it whether is from china italy or shekupura. If it is from china then what?? China is biggest industry of the world if someone is telling that its from china then i dont think there isnt any point of discussion cuz you have the product from the biggest industry of the world
    Yes, No one gives a ______ about it whether its from china italy or shekupura, but Silver_Knife would give its ___ to prove that its
    not from china as is shown in the post. Yaar, atleast have courage to tell that its made in China. Its a simple question and needs a simple answer, and the answer is that its made in ZPFM China or its Made in China. Whether technology is Italian, American or China thats another issue. I hope now you have learned the lesson and wont argue unnecessarily when some one would say that its made in China. Proof of Ravi storm 125 as being Chinese origin -432760

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueHorn View Post
    RAVI has FINALLY been EXPOSED FULLY. It has been stripped in front of everyone. We all know that Piaggio Italy has NO parts coming in Pakistan for Storm 125. It was a lie and this is the reason for almost ALL users of Ravi Piaggio having various issues like dancing fuel gauge, falling off kick starters, poor paint quality, noisy chain covers, leaky seals and valves, broken engine side covers and what not. I have friends who own this bike and NOT ONE can say that his bike is problem free. Koi na koi issue hota hai es bike mein.If only Piaggio Italy comes and invest in Pakistan then we will see how quickly AHL and Pakj Suzuki will be forced to either bring better products or get out of market. I am anxiously waiting and hoping for Yamaha Japan to come in Pakistan market and bring great bikes. I hope this happens soon. Amen.
    100% agreed. If I get time, I will also share some additional faults that my Ravi Storm faced that were worst than that you have mentioned. Its all present in the old threads though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueHorn View Post
    BUSTED

    So atlast confirmation from chavi management. This is the FINAL NAIL IN THE COFFIN
    I think that only my above two posts relating to sbrana and mamehmood are enough for confirmation. But that was just a trailer on an appetizer.
    I have all the documented proof of Ravi contact with ZPFM china. Actually its a contract of Ravi with Piaggio China Group (ZPFM China). It can be regarded as a contract with Piaggio Italy in a broader vision, but the actual contract is between ZPFM China which is a joint-venture between Piaggo-Italy and Zhongshen Piaggio Foshan Motorcycle China.
    So the actual contract is between Piaggio Group China (ZPFM China) which Ravi are relating to Piaggio Italy.

    I will soon share the document link and all the related information.

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    There's no point of discussion. You are Quoting old posts dated back 2008. Keep on quoting them. Plus you are really helping member. Why dont your join media and have you show there? And do programs exposing Atlas Honda, Suzuki, DYL, Ravi Piaggio, Super Power, Unique, Hi Speed, Metro, Pak Hero, Laser etc etc.

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