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    Default Proof of Ravi storm 125 as being Chinese origin

    Since the day one of introduction of Ravi storm 125, its marketers have always tried to lie on the question about:

    Where its engine and other parts are imported from?

    And the answer is like this stated on their website:

    Ravi Piaggio 125: is it 100% Italian, Imported or Local Assembled?

    The Ravi Piaggio 125 or Ravi Storm 125 is designed by Italian Engineers. Its 80% parts are imported and 20% parts are manufactured in Pakistan. Being as an OEM standard manufacturing concern we are also manufacturing 10% parts in our factory (Ravi Automobile). The bike is then assembled in Pakistan.

    Here is the link:
    Ravi Piaggio 125: is it 100% Italian, Imported or Local Assembled? | Ravi Motorcycles

    somehow, they always forget to mention that they are OEM of ZPFM China and not of Piaggio Italy. The same abhorrent policy has always been applied by their supporters all the time even knowingly that what they are claiming is a lie.

    It has always remained a debate on Ravi Piaggio threads but the stubborn headed persons have always refused to admit that its a motorcycle coming from ZPFM China.

    In the past mamehmood and sbrana of Ravi motorcycles also tried the same policy on their forums, but they could not withstand the proofs provided by the Pakwheels members and eventually agreed on that its a ZPFM China product. One of the oldest Ravi Storm 125 thread was closed at the request of mamehmood who could not withstand the questions of its buyers.

    In recent days, some members are again lying and boasting about Ravi storm 125 as not being coming from China.

    These so called fans are trying to proof that this motorcycle is either being manufactured in Pakistan with the collaboration of Piaggio Italy, or its engine or other parts are coming direct from Italy. But the things are opposite to it.

    Though most of the guys know its origin, and they have always bashed the liars, but still some of the marketers always try to make others
    fool, and even ridicule the honest riders which hurts a lot of people.

    I am making this thread so that every body will once and forever know whats the truth. I think I have enough proof to claim that I am right. I will also ask my fellows to support me with valid links and information so that we could proof that right is always right.


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    Quote Originally Posted by r1 View Post
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    Well guys. Here is the document link of which I was talking about. Its an eye opener for all and nobody will have any doubts left about the agreement of Ravi with ZPFM and the Piaggio Group China. Its a very nice informative document too revealing all the history of how all this Ravi Piaggio came into existence.

    22 27 Overseas Pakistan

    Sadly, this kind of document should have been initiated by Ravi fans, but they are too busy on each thread, spreading their crap comments and are not able to provide any good information.

    From page 2 all the related information is written in English from where one can start reading.
    I will also post its relevant and the important parts here by highlighting them.

    Enjoy the ZPFM China and HKF engineering history that started from China.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bike_junky View Post
    Well guys. Here is the document link of which I was talking about. Its an eye opener for all and nobody will have any doubts left about the agreement of Ravi with ZPFM and the Piaggio Group China. Its a very nice informative document too revealing all the history of how all this Ravi Piaggio came into existence.

    22 27 Overseas Pakistan

    Sadly, this kind of document should have been initiated by Ravi fans, but they are too busy on each thread, spreading their crap comments and are not able to provide any good information.

    From page 2 all the related information is written in English from where one can start reading.
    I will also post its relevant and the important parts here by highlighting them.

    Enjoy the ZPFM China and HKF engineering history that started from China.
    One thing is also obvious from the above document that its a local market Chinese product and not ZPFM buy back prodcut.
    So Ravi Piaggio Storm 125 is a Chonda by definition of this from the above document.


    Local market’: Vehicles designed directly by ZPFM (scooters derived from Piaggio products),
    industrialised and manufactured in Foshan and sold in China using the “Piaggio-Zongshen” co-brand through our salespeople
    and retail network

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    Quote Originally Posted by nokia3310 View Post
    Iam a silent reader of all the threads in bikers section. But abhi biker section is more than a joke. Ek waqt tha jub old members like r1,hidalgo,silverknife,cherry1,smartdevil,tabi_haw k, Autosports_lover, Nomi 1 inki posts parhne ka maza ata tha. Behas us waqt bhi hoti thi pur zatiat tak baat ni puhanchti thi. But now rozana hur thread me koi jang start hoti.

    Really shamefull new members. Ap logon ko senior members ki respect karni chahiye
    agreed... BTW since a long time did not see cherry1 post here on PW, he was really a nice and helpful guy and a knowledgeable person
    Same $hit, different day.

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    Well guys,

    Proved, still this is a pretty useless argument however.

    Why do you guys under estimate China? If you guys do that.. then watch pogo and eat lollypop!
    China manufacturers OEM Parts for BMWs too! And what not?
    China's low standard in motoring products is a history, seeing the potential and skill available in China, all large manufacturers are collaborating with Chinese companies for joint productions.

    If i were to manufacture a bike in Pakistan, i would surely be a dumb-*** if i would set up a plant in Pakistan!
    China is way more skilled, cheap in costs of production and can bring far more superior products even after tax duties are applied.
    In fact Ravi guys are smart enough to know that... Surprise, none amongst you cant get a simple thing, its peanuts.

    China can produce anything! its you who has to set a benchmark. Im not talking in favour of Ravi, but the fact is this discussion is awfully useless.
    With people already fighting so much, and each other thread changing into personal grudges its very irresponsible to make a thread like this!

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    Bike_Juny and his comments liking friend. Are getting pretty bashed up in thier own thread. Every senior and sensible member/rider gives a damn about origin.

    Now ask Talat Hussain To do show on DAWN NEWS about this bike. No doubt a good product always follow critisizm. Thanks to all the haters for giving Ravi Piaggio a hit on PW

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silver_Knife View Post
    No one gives a ____ about it whether is from china italy or shekupura. If it is from china then what?? China is biggest industry of the world if someone is telling that its from china then i dont think there isnt any point of discussion cuz you have the product from the biggest industry of the world
    The problem, my friend, is not that the bike or its parts are from China, the very basic problem is dodging the customer. If the bike itself or its vital parts are being imported from China then why boast of fake glory trying to label it as directly coming from Italy, like Italy is some heaven.

    Yes, Chinese products are competing in the world market and they are a hard working nation that can copy anything. But the problem in our case is that they send us, rather we import No. 10 product from China. When they copy a product they make several other of different quality, No. 1 quality goes to Europe and America, No. 2 to the middle east etc. and No. 10 come to Long Live Pakistan where we present it as an imported item.

    It is Ravi Piaggio's success that it has succeeded in generating sie hard fans like you and many others, but I wish they were giving us a product that could enlist me among you guys as well. I have had pathetic experience with Chinese products and have seen many lamenting the same, I wish that you guys don't have the same experience else Piaggio will soon be a forgotten name.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silver_Knife View Post


    My friend APOLOGIES if you find my reply offensive but china is providing everyone the spare parts.

    Atlas Honda is also not getting genuine parts from Japan. Its just an extension of HONDA in pakistan. So Ravi Automobiles is an extension of Piaggio. Your point of discussion collapsed here,

    You "might" be right here as well. But as I have pointed out above China make a product of several degrees. Even if Atlas Honda is importing products from China they are far better in quality as compared to those used in Ravi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7thgear View Post
    You "might" be right here as well. But as I have pointed out above China make a product of several degrees. Even if Atlas Honda is importing products from China they are far better in quality as compared to those used in Ravi.

    Peace is a blessing!
    May be you ae right. But bhai dont your think that if the quality is that pathetic it must have collapsed till now. Police and Army are even now buying Ravi Piaggio. I have made many trips on bike indeed many. Never faced any problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silver_Knife View Post
    May be you ae right. But bhai dont your think that if the quality is that pathetic it must have collapsed till now. Police and Army are even now buying Ravi Piaggio. I have made many trips on bike indeed many. Never faced any problem.
    That's the point brother. Performance in the long run. Its good that the bike is running good for you and I pray that it does. We need companies in our country that can challenge the monopoly Honda and Yamaha are enjoying for so long.

    I do not have good feelings for Ravi and other Chinese bikes because I have seen lamenting customers. Your exception, if followed by others, considering the long term durability of the bike will mean that Honda and Yamaha will have a new contender in the market. Race for excellence among the manufacturers is always beneficial to the customer.

    My point is that when a new company starts its business in the motorcycle industry in Pakistan, they should shift into their 1st gear with the ideals of getting into the 6th gear and be there for a long time, that's when the customers will fly at ease.
    Hope you get my point. No negative criticism here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bike_junky View Post
    Well guys. Here is the document link of which I was talking about. Its an eye opener for all and nobody will have any doubts left about the agreement of Ravi with ZPFM and the Piaggio Group China. Its a very nice informative document too revealing all the history of how all this Ravi Piaggio came into existence.22 27 Overseas PakistanSadly, this kind of document should have been initiated by Ravi fans, but they are too busy on each thread, spreading their crap comments and are not able to provide any good information.From page 2 all the related information is written in English from where one can start reading.I will also post its relevant and the important parts here by highlighting them.Enjoy the ZPFM China and HKF engineering history that started from China.
    The slides, in question, are no more available, please correct

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silver_Knife View Post
    Bike_Juny and his comments liking friend. Are getting pretty bashed up in thier own thread. Every senior and sensible member/rider gives a damn about origin.

    Now ask Talat Hussain To do show on DAWN NEWS about this bike. No doubt a good product always follow critisizm. Thanks to all the haters for giving Ravi Piaggio a hit on PW
    Wake up kid. Subha ho gaee hai. Now no one gona believe your white lie that Ravi Storm is not made in China.. And its making me really happy. All the fellow members have remained positive towards my opinion and have approved and it has been once and for all finalized that Ravi Storm 125 is a Chonda made at ZPFM china. Ravi automobiles have agreement with ZPFM china for the export of their local market product.

    I hope you must have enjoyed the document that I have shared jis nay sab kacha chatta khole dia hai. Now even if you will post the news of Italy president visit to Ravi factory, no one is gonna believe that.

    Now what are you doing here. Go and enjoy with your Chonda Storm 125.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mfdarvesh View Post
    The slides, in question, are no more available, please correct
    For me the link is working fine. If you are facing any problem in opening the link then plz send me your email id and I will mail the document to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bike_junky View Post
    For me the link is working fine. If you are facing any problem in opening the link then plz send me your email id and I will mail the document to you.
    Though the document is a PDF and of very high quality and easily readable but here are the relevant images. Low quality for faster page loads, but are readable.

    Proof of Ravi storm 125 as being Chinese origin -433410Proof of Ravi storm 125 as being Chinese origin -433411Proof of Ravi storm 125 as being Chinese origin -433412

    And here is the link once again:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Automotorsport_Lover View Post
    Well guys,

    Proved, still this is a pretty useless argument however.

    Why do you guys under estimate China? If you guys do that.. then watch pogo and eat lollypop!
    China manufacturers OEM Parts for BMWs too! And what not?
    China's low standard in motoring products is a history, seeing the potential and skill available in China, all large manufacturers are collaborating with Chinese companies for joint productions.

    If i were to manufacture a bike in Pakistan, i would surely be a dumb-*** if i would set up a plant in Pakistan!
    China is way more skilled, cheap in costs of production and can bring far more superior products even after tax duties are applied.
    In fact Ravi guys are smart enough to know that... Surprise, none amongst you cant get a simple thing, its peanuts.

    China can produce anything! its you who has to set a benchmark. Im not talking in favour of Ravi, but the fact is this discussion is awfully useless.
    With people already fighting so much, and each other thread changing into personal grudges its very irresponsible to make a thread like this!
    +1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Automotorsport_Lover View Post
    Well guys,

    Proved, still this is a pretty useless argument however.

    Why do you guys under estimate China? If you guys do that.. then watch pogo and eat lollypop!
    China manufacturers OEM Parts for BMWs too! And what not?
    China's low standard in motoring products is a history, seeing the potential and skill available in China, all large manufacturers are collaborating with Chinese companies for joint productions.

    If i were to manufacture a bike in Pakistan, i would surely be a dumb-*** if i would set up a plant in Pakistan!
    China is way more skilled, cheap in costs of production and can bring far more superior products even after tax duties are applied.
    In fact Ravi guys are smart enough to know that... Surprise, none amongst you cant get a simple thing, its peanuts.

    China can produce anything! its you who has to set a benchmark. Im not talking in favour of Ravi, but the fact is this discussion is awfully useless.
    With people already fighting so much, and each other thread changing into personal grudges its very irresponsible to make a thread like this!

    +1 .. Plus you are quite away from bikers section. Missing your presence and your GS150

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    100+ indeed!


    Quote Originally Posted by Automotorsport_Lover View Post
    Well guys,

    still this is a pretty useless argument however.
    its very irresponsible to make a thread like this!

    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/motorcycle-travel-diaries/277725-sober-riders-visit-khunjerab-adventurous-way-via-nori-pass

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    talal bhai, kahan hath dal rahay hain, ignore it.... Honda Zindabad, Paiggo zindabad .. sab achay ka nara ligien bahir ajien is disccusion say or ignore kerain...

    Quote Originally Posted by 7thgear View Post
    That's the point brother. Performance in the long run. Its good that the bike is running good for you and I pray that it does. We need companies in our country that can challenge the monopoly Honda and Yamaha are enjoying for so long.

    I do not have good feelings for Ravi and other Chinese bikes because I have seen lamenting customers. Your exception, if followed by others, considering the long term durability of the bike will mean that Honda and Yamaha will have a new contender in the market. Race for excellence among the manufacturers is always beneficial to the customer.

    My point is that when a new company starts its business in the motorcycle industry in Pakistan, they should shift into their 1st gear with the ideals of getting into the 6th gear and be there for a long time, that's when the customers will fly at ease.
    Hope you get my point. No negative criticism here.
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/motorcycle-travel-diaries/277725-sober-riders-visit-khunjerab-adventurous-way-via-nori-pass

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    As the topic of my thread and the introduction has stated clearly that this thread was just to prove the facts that I have presented with valid links and documents and that has been approved once and for all by all the members. Thanks to all for their support who have approved it. I would like all the members to please login and just post the word "approved". That would be enough for those who in the past, have argued and insulted the members without any solid reason and proper knowledge.

    Secondly, as I have written previously, this thread is not to criticize the Chinese made products or debating about the merits and demerits of any motorcycle or Chinese product. If any body needs to discuss any thing about the Chinese products then please make a separate thread.

    Thread is not useless as it has served its purpose


    I know that most of the guys already knew about the truth but just have a look at the following posts:
    Proof of Ravi storm 125 as being Chinese origin -433537

    Proof of Ravi storm 125 as being Chinese origin -433539Proof of Ravi storm 125 as being Chinese origin -433540Proof of Ravi storm 125 as being Chinese origin -433541Proof of Ravi storm 125 as being Chinese origin -433542Proof of Ravi storm 125 as being Chinese origin -433544Proof of Ravi storm 125 as being Chinese origin -433546Proof of Ravi storm 125 as being Chinese origin -433547Proof of Ravi storm 125 as being Chinese origin -433549Proof of Ravi storm 125 as being Chinese origin -433550Proof of Ravi storm 125 as being Chinese origin -433551


    I have a number of other posts that I could not attach. Besides there are a number of other posts on many threads that I don't know about.
    These posts are only related directly or indirectly to the origin of Storm 125.
    The persons lying and arguing nonsensically are doing nothing good to promote their product. I can bet on that if they would have told the whole thing right from the start on their own thread they would have been in a much better position.
    A lot of members have been insulted by them as they are trying to defend some thing that doesn't exist.
    I have number of posts who have called them liars, deceivers and a lot more things. Its not only me who is angry on the fanboys/marketers wrong attitude.

    I am not against Chinese products or any product. What is good is good whether its from China or where ever else.

    Now, as It has been proved by means of this thread, I hope such nonsense discussion the example of which I have posted in above images would not happen, and members will try to discuss some good issues. Now all know the details so if any fanboy tries to argue nonsensically one can refer to this thread.

    Ravi promoters can keep on doing their publicity work but plz be honest in doing it and have respect of other members. I don't want to take names but everybody knows who is wrong where or will sooner or later realize about it.

    As the thread was just to correct the deliberate or non-deliberate confusion made by some elements, this thread is not to degrade or criticize any Chinese product specifically or in general so don't take it on your heart. Just read the facts, enjoy them and if anyone again makes some mistakes or lies, refer them to this thread.

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    @ bike_junky - very good discussion going on. Thanks brother for bringing your point with evidence. Ravi people are still trying to fool us by saying it is Italian bike. Today I visited McLore rd and had a convo with one of their dealers. he said 'bike'e engine is imported from Italy and frame is made in pakistan'. he refused that even a thread on ravi is from china. i showed him evidence from this thread and he goes very nervous and angry at same time. Pakistan doesnt have a proper customer protection body else they should be informed that ravi management is mis-leading its customers.

    @All - This thread is very informative and I would like to request mods to make it sticky.

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