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    Thumbs up Honda 1.6 i-dtec turbodiesel

    (I hope this isn't a repost)


    So I for one would like to see this 1.6 turbo-diesel engine in a honda in Pakistan. 20kmpl fuel economy, good power, great torque, clean emissions, long-life engine --- whats not to like about it? Can someone in Honda Atlas at least think about it? Hmm?

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    Honda 1.6 i-DTEC Engine Technology explained


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    Honda 1.6 i-DTEC Engine Production Line

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    HONDA CRV 1.6 iDTEC 2013 0-Vmax and 3rd,4th,5th,6th gear acceleration


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    Woooowwwww, what an amazing technology by HONDA.

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    I see not much interest. Maybe people aren't aware of modern turbodiesels...rather be stuck on buying 25 year old tech with a new label, I guess.
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    i, for one, would dearly like to see this introduced here. What's not to like about a light diesel engine that gives good torque and is easy on the pocket too. Folks here would rather stand in line for 2 hours for "See ann gee" and have shitty averages still then have interest in such new upcoming technologies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by autotranny View Post
    i, for one, would dearly like to see this introduced here. What's not to like about a light diesel engine that gives good torque and is easy on the pocket too. Folks here would rather stand in line for 2 hours for "See ann gee" and have shitty averages still then have interest in such new upcoming technologies.
    Like seriously! I don't know why people don't take interest in such stuff.
    I had a 2.0 turbodiesel engine pulling a 1.5ton SUV up to motorway speeds in no time, and giving 12kms/L in cold city driving even after 280K kms - whats not to like about it! I sure would love to know a 'see ann jee' engine even be drivable after that much service.

    Maybe if Japan had diesel vitz then we sure would have them here.
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    Turbo diesels will die in Pakistan. They need ULSD (ultra low sulfur diesel) which is not very common, I mean not available at pumps. Emission systems on these TDI's are very sensitive. I am not an expert but this has been discussed extensively on the forum.


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    Like seriously! I don't know why people don't take interest in such stuff.
    I had a 2.0 turbodiesel engine pulling a 1.5ton SUV up to motorway speeds in no time, and giving 12kms/L in cold city driving even after 280K kms - whats not to like about it! I sure would love to know a 'see ann jee' engine even be drivable after that much service.

    Maybe if Japan had diesel vitz then we sure would have them here.
    Maybe someone can import a diesel Yaris? Maybe.
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    True, that is a concern.

    But turbodiesels are running in the neighbourhood, i.e. in India and Afghanistan, and AFAIK their diesel is no better than ours.

    And I wonder why so many Land Cruisers and Vigos and Range Rovers with turboD engines are running okay in our country. They ARE running okay, right?

    I remember some people using double fuel filters, some use decanting devices that used to come with old 2.0D corollas.
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    our diesel standard is euro 0 which is full of sulphur n less cetane in number.....these new modern turbo-diesel engine need atleast ULSD diesel euro 2 or above with higher cetane number
    My lugnuts require more torque than your Vtec can put out...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahsanonline View Post
    Like seriously! I don't know why people don't take interest in such stuff.
    I had a 2.0 turbodiesel engine pulling a 1.5ton SUV up to motorway speeds in no time, and giving 12kms/L in cold city driving even after 280K kms - whats not to like about it! I sure would love to know a 'see ann jee' engine even be drivable after that much service.

    Maybe if Japan had diesel vitz then we sure would have them here.
    Maybe someone can import a diesel Yaris? Maybe.
    it's hard for a "see ann gee" run engine to clock even 80k, let alone 280k. and don't forget the pleasure that comes in waiting in line and moving your car by a few inches every 15 min. If the diesel is not good enough then the consumers should put enough pressure on the regulators to make sure that we have the option at least of good quality fuel for our engines. It's a lot better then running (=ruining) your car on fuel that the car manufacturers did not even know will be used for the poor thing and wrecking not only the engine but the environment too.
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    So our neighbours - and the world at large - are enjoying the 1.6L diesel by honda in their civics, citys and CR-Vs...


    Power 73kW/100ps (3600rpm)
    Torque 200Nm (1750rpm onwards)
    Fuel Consumption: 26km/L

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahsanonline View Post
    So our neighbours - and the world at large - are enjoying the 1.6L diesel by honda in their civics, citys and CR-Vs...


    Power 73kW/100ps (3600rpm)
    Torque 200Nm (1750rpm onwards)
    Fuel Consumption: 26km/L

    <iframe width="480" height="270" src="//www.dailymotion.com/embed/video/x2rkhd1" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen=""></iframe>
    Honda Diesel Technology 1.6 i-dtec Civic City CR-V
    modern diesel engine are so good tht we wont need to conver our car into cng as their fuel consumption are double than the petrol engine....even in old 2c 2.0D I had the last model of corolla 2008-09 used to do 550-600km in one tank n my bro altis a/t do around 450km.....I hope our diesel standard get better so tht someone can import these diesel Honda cars from uk....in India they have new Honda city 1.5 I-dtec as they have discontinued Honda civic
    My lugnuts require more torque than your Vtec can put out...

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    Question Viable?

    A diesel car is usually more expensive than an equivalent petrol engined car. So in order for the diesel car to be economically viable either diesel must be cheaper than petrol or the driver must do very high mileage so as to recover the extra cost paid for the diesel car. In Pakistan the first scenario was common a few years ago that's why diesel cars were very popular. However, once diesel fuel price was brought up it no longer made economical sense to buy a more expensive diesel powered car unless the owner plans to drive it extensively. That's the main reason why diesels are no longer popular here, in my opinion.

    Can a price comparison be given for a petrol and diesel Honda City? That should clear the diesel petrol argument quickly.
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    There they are, direct from Honda India's website.
    I reckon a diesel vehicle recovers its additional cost within two years max. due to doing more miles in lesser fuel, and also because their maintenance intervals would be longer than an alternative fuel (cng/lpg) vehicle (people would buy a diesel for being thrifty not to race cars).

    Also, one can't put a price tag on the not having to stand in long petrol/cng queues or the pure pleasure of driving a modern turbodiesel...

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    Quote Originally Posted by salik990 View Post
    modern diesel engine are so good tht we wont need to conver our car into cng as their fuel consumption are double than the petrol engine....even in old 2c 2.0D I had the last model of corolla 2008-09 used to do 550-600km in one tank n my bro altis a/t do around 450km.....I hope our diesel standard get better so tht someone can import these diesel Honda cars from uk....in India they have new Honda city 1.5 I-dtec as they have discontinued Honda civic
    We already have Euro II diesel from PARCO. They've been making it for a long time. India also has worse quality diesel in most places other than a few cities where I read its mandatory to have LSD/ULSD.
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    Its a new technology for us nut honda is producing diesel from a long time, even the latest honda city in india comes with a i-dtec!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mehran View Post
    A diesel car is usually more expensive than an equivalent petrol engined car. So in order for the diesel car to be economically viable either diesel must be cheaper than petrol or the driver must do very high mileage so as to recover the extra cost paid for the diesel car. In Pakistan the first scenario was common a few years ago that's why diesel cars were very popular. However, once diesel fuel price was brought up it no longer made economical sense to buy a more expensive diesel powered car unless the owner plans to drive it extensively. That's the main reason why diesels are no longer popular here, in my opinion.

    Can a price comparison be given for a petrol and diesel Honda City? That should clear the diesel petrol argument quickly.
    our govt. is a fool to increased the price of diesel.....but in some countries like UK n US diesel r more expensie than petrol still diesel cars is very popular in UK due to diesel engine give better and more mileage compare to petrol cars.....if our diesel fuel get better like ULSD or better standard we wud be driving latest modern diesel cars
    My lugnuts require more torque than your Vtec can put out...

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    The problem still rounds back to the same issue, are people willing to pay for servicing these engines? They work for a long time but they do require maintenance - their spares and services are not low cost.

    the usual awaam/hujoom look at a car as a decoration piece to hang stickers and big wheels on. They then further cannot stomach the fact that mechanical labor work on such cars can cost dearly because the mechanic/shop has to invest in a few hundred thousand rupees of equipment.
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    True.
    I do think that ideal environment will never exist until the need forces the hand.

    There was a time when they didn't have a clue what to do with the 'cumpootar aali gaddi', but now they're catching on. The need has to force it, like how a treand was started that put a good deal of awaam on thermostat valves and auto cooling fans lol.

    My friend's diesel corolla didn't need any maintenance except for the usual that was written in the manual. Ran purrrfect till they sold it near 180k kms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahsanonline View Post
    True.
    I do think that ideal environment will never exist until the need forces the hand.

    There was a time when they didn't have a clue what to do with the 'cumpootar aali gaddi', but now they're catching on. The need has to force it, like how a treand was started that put a good deal of awaam on thermostat valves and auto cooling fans lol.

    My friend's diesel corolla didn't need any maintenance except for the usual that was written in the manual. Ran purrrfect till they sold it near 180k kms.
    the catchup is very slow in Pakistan.

    when pk technicians got comfortable with the simplest of fuel injection systems like the dull and dumb xEFE engines by toyota - the rest of the world was already advancing to SFI and other methods of reducing fuel consumption.

    In a small para, in today's world if you are not moving fast enough - you are actually moving backwards.

    small example,

    how many shops do you know who test something with a scope or do oxygen hold tests on oxygen sensors etc.
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    (googles for 'oxygen hold test')
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