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    Aoa friends.
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    I have started this thread to share my new ride i.e. Toyota Passo 2012, so that people can get benefit from this thread and I can share my problems and get guidance from experienced members.
    .
    Before proceeding further I want to thanks to Allah Almighty, who has bestowed me (and all of us) with unlimited blessings? I want to thanks my parents for their incalculable hard work for us and family for the support? I am obliged to PW and its members who were always there to guide me esp. @muradi @huzaifa.haroon @karnol @us000 @asim867 @CerwinVega @villain @aliusman420 @Nabz90 etc.
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    First of all general details about the car:
    • Model: Toyota Passo 2012
    • Color: White
    • Grades: 4.5 AA
    • Odo readings: 15000 Km approx.
    • Date of purchase from Japan Auction: 20th May 2015
    • Date of reaching Karachi port: 17th July 2015
    • Date of reaching Tarnol dry port (Islamabad) / Delivery to us: 6th August 2015

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    In this I will discuss...
    • The difficulties I faced while searching for car in local market
    • Car cost and importer information
    • Tips to buy imported cars
    • Custom / Duty structure of imported cars
    • How to read and verify auction sheets
    • Important Japanese websites
    • Different variants of Passo
    • My Car Performance and Maintenance
    • Any upgrades
    • Pros and Cons of Passo
    • My previous rides
    • Comparison of Passo with other similar cars

    Etc.
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    Starting pics are auction pics...
    ...
    JDM Time ? Passo 2012 -1603150
    ...
    JDM Time ? Passo 2012 -1603151

    Plz say "Masha Allah", Allah isy achay kamo k lia istemal kren, ameen....

    Stay tuned for upcoming details...

    Fuel Average Table - Page 1
    Oil Change Table - Page 1
    Car Pics at Yokohama Port - Page 1
    Car Shipping - Port 2
    Inland Transport Khi to isb - Page 3
    Car Service and Interior cleaning - Page 3-4
    GT Road Average - Page 5
    Car Cost - Page 6
    Car Remotes / Smart Key - Page 6
    Motorway Fuel Average - Page 7
    Recommended Oil for Paaso - Page 8
    AlWaris Traders, Islamabad Exposed - Page 9
    Passo Seats - Page 9
    Motorway average - control speed - Page 10, 17
    Different variants of Passo - Page 11
    Different colors of Passo - Page 11

    Top Speed on Motorway - Page 17
    Seat Covers Installation - Page 17
    Import Procedure - Page 21
    How to Verify Auction Sheet - Page 21
    How to Read Auction Sheet - Page 23
    Grading of Car - Page 24
    One Monthly Progress Report Aug-Sep - Page 26
    Immobilizer in Passo - Page 27
    Passo vs WR - Page 29


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    Quote Originally Posted by zwk641 View Post
    Both have same 1KRFE engine, same suspension,Same brakes, Vitz is more aerodynamic
    Suspension is not the same and here is where vitz takes the lead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bionix9838 View Post
    Went through all ur thread in detail and reached the following conclusion;
    1) very well researched and very well written and everything is well explained.
    2) well deserved credit given to fellow experienced PAKWHEELERS.
    3) Dr Sb u started with a THREAD which now became a fully woven CARPET of information about Jdms in general and Passo in particular!
    keep up the good work and May Allah bless you with more knowledge
    Thank u for appreciation...
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    Aqua Auction Sheet Tranlation

    Accessories

    • Smart key
    • Audio less hole


    Inspector's Comments


    • Left side mirror - w - painted
    • Left cross member - XX - Replaced
    • Core support - XX - Replaced
    • Exterior many small scratches
    • Mirror - X - Needs replacement
    • Seat stains
    • Dirt inside cabin
    • Pillar - P - Painted
    • Bumper under A - ScratchedJDM Time  Passo 2012 -1626514
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    In above sheet Year is 24 & month is 11 how it's read & is it year of manufacture??

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    Eidted
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    Quote Originally Posted by zwk641 View Post
    In above sheet Year is 24 & month is 11 how it's read & is it year of manufacture??

    24 = 2012
    11 = November

    It is year and month of registration...
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    Alhamdulilah, my aunt has received her Passo yesterday, some of the pics pasted below..

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    However, B3 does looks awkward, any suggestions for a good denter in KHI?

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    Quote Originally Posted by msaadullah View Post
    Thanks a lot for your suggestions @geniuszain @muradi





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    Quote Originally Posted by DrUsmanNawaz View Post
    Aoa bro, go for 19k driven car, B3 on door require dry denting + Painting...

    Keep price of repair around 6k and tyres around 20k in your mind while making deal of this car,,,

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    Very interesting auction sheet...

    Inspection Comment:

    Core support exchange

    Left frame destination strain


    Can anyone with mechanical knowledge elaborate these 2 things...???

    JDM Time  Passo 2012 -1626540
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrUsmanNawaz View Post
    24 = 2012
    11 = November

    It is year and month of registration...
    It means for year 15 on sheet it will be 30

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    Quote Originally Posted by zwk641 View Post
    it means for year 15 on sheet it will be 30
    h27 = 2015
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    Quote Originally Posted by msaadullah View Post
    However, B3 does looks awkward, any suggestions for a good denter in KHI?

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    @muradi plz suggest some reliable denter/painter workshop in Khi...

    Defect is minor, require some attention from painter especially...
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    @msaadullah Can U plz share price of this unit...?
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    All of a sudden, lots of Passo started appearing on Islamabad roads, even more than Vitz.

    It was thought as one of the ugliest ones, but now looks normal after the arrival of all sort of uglies. And 2nd gen looks decent...

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrUsmanNawaz View Post
    @msaadullah Can U plz share price of this unit...?
    PM'd

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    Passo (2nd Gen) Vs Vitz (3rd Gen)

    Exterior:

    Looks of vitz are no doubt better than passo as it has more aerodynamic design, but passo isn?t bad either, especially back of the passo is very decent, front gives a bit FAT feeling, but Hana Package is very decent looking with projectors and fog lamp. Even I like hana more than vitz.

    Exterior looks ? Vitz: 8/10, Passo 7/10, Hana 8.5/10

    Interior:

    Interior of passo looked odd once it hit our roads, but all that feelings are from outside. When you sit inside, it gives a sort of solid feeling and decent too, all the accessories are easily accessible. Distance between driver and passenger is too much to give a big car feeling. The interior in front is very roomy, while at back it is a bit less. Plastic quality is very very good, lot better than Aqua, and some better than vitz. Dashboard is upright and straight.

    In vitz the front area seems to be bit compressed or compact, area seems to be less roomier than passo, there is gear console in middle so limitations of moving left knee and leg. At rear room is a bit broad than passo and leg space is a little more. Dashboard of vitz is also upright and straight as passo. Plastic quality is good, a bit less than passo, when u press dashboard it gives hollow feeling, plastic seems to be thin, while in passo dashboard and door linings are very solid.

    Interior color combination is better in passo than vitz (to me) but off white steering in hana version looks too odd, needs leather stitching in brown color. Dashboard linings in vitz are very decent but catch dust. Due to beige room, passo catches appears less dusty.

    Interior Plastic Quality: Vitz 8/10, Passo 9/10, Aqua 7/10

    Interior Appearance: Vitz 8/10, Passo 7/10


    Seats:

    In Passo, sofa seats are actually SOFA SEATS, these are soft, and one feel like sitting on a sofa in drawing room. As there is no gear console in middle, one can easily stretch his left leg, or move his left knee. As the front seats are BENCH SEATS in higher versions, 2 adults and a child of 3-7 years can easily accommodate on front seat. There are 2 armrests for driver, one in middle (left of driver) and one on right side of driver (on door), give leisure feeling during long drive, though the arm rest is bit hard for elbow, needs mild foam cushioning. Back seats can be converted into bed, on which 2 children can sleep, and if u also fold the backside of the seats, 3 children can easily sleep at back. There are 4-5 headrests in higher versions.

    In vitz, seats are more like bucket seats, give firm feeling, 2 adults can accommodate in front, and at back seats cannot be converted into bed. Seats are soft and good.

    Seat Quality: Vitz 8/10, Passo 8/10

    Seats Options: Vitz 7/10, Passo 9/10


    Boot Space:

    Boot space is vitz is slightly more than passo due to elongated boot lid, if passo can accommodate 100 units, vitz can accommodate 120 units, and aqua 130 units. But boot can be enlarged by folding the back seats in all these cars.

    Steering:

    Steering can be adjusted up and down as in other JDMs, I fixed it at lower most for more approach. Steering wheel is leatherite and has enormous grip. Power steering of the Passo is very soft and way better than Aqua. Steering of passo is very responsive, it is not lesser than vitz at all. Steering of Aqua is very heavy.

    Steering response: Vitz 9/10, Passo 9/10, Aqua 6/10

    Engine, Gear, Performance & Fuel Economy:

    Engine of passo and vitz is same i.e. 1 kr, and transmission is also same CVT. Performance of both the engines is same.

    Fuel economy of passo is slightly better than vitz, because of better weight to ppwer ration. Weight of Passo is 910 Kg and Vitz is 970 Kg.

    Fuel Average Local 12-15 km/L (both cars), Long Passo 19-21 km/l, Vitz 18-20 km/l

    Fuel Economy: Vitz 8/10, Passo 9/10


    Suspension:

    Surprisingly the suspension of vitz is not much superior to passo as mentioned by some members, I drove a 40k driven vitz and my passo, difference was not much. Suspension of all the JDMs is on harder side due to better roads in japan.

    Suspension: Vitz 8/10, Passo 7/10

    Sound Deadening (Cabin Noise):

    Sound insulation is passo is better than vitz. There is a clear difference, you can hear engine sound louder in vitz, but in passo it is less. Engines of both car produces some sound upto 50 or 60 km/hr but after that they become sound less. I cannot hear engine sound of my passo even at 120-130 km/hr.

    Sound Insulation: Vitz 6/10, Passo 8/10

    Brakes:

    Both are equipped with ABS, brakes are equivalent and better than ABS of Honda City (friend?s perception)

    Ground Clearance:

    GC of passo is better than vitz. Hitting the jumps is rare in passo in city drive with 1-2 people on board, however with more people you have to be more careful and cross the jumps at very less speed. I saw a vitz stumbled on a jump, forward wheels crossed the jump, rear wheels were behind the jump and the car stuck over jump, passo cross that jump easily.

    GC: Vitz 7/10, Passo 8.5/10

    Mileage in japan:

    More than 80% of the vitz that are imported from japan, 2012 model, are 50-80 k driven, because vitz is primarily
    used by males in Japan for job purpose and intercity drive. Most of the cars in our market with less mileage are meter reversed cars. More mileage means more insult to the engine and suspension. Although even 60 ? 70 k driven cars in Japan, do perform well here and are soundless and flawless.

    Passo on the other hand is used primarily by females in Japan for home purpose, so it is very easy to pick less driven car under 25-30 k mileage. Same mileage car in vitz will have sky high price. Less driven car, less insult to engine and suspension.

    Interior Options and Security Features:

    Security features in average version of Passo are more than vitz, there is smart key and push start and immobilizer and Anti-theft System, while in vitz most imported version is F which is without all these features.

    In my Passo there are 2 extra features which are optional, so found rare in passo, one is Tractional Control and other is engine start with remote. Traction control in vitz comes in new shape in 2014 model.

    In hana, projector lights, fog lamps, climate control, smart key, immobilizer, alloy rims etc. are clear cut advantages over any vitz with money saving of 1 lac at least.

    Price Difference:

    Price difference between average packages of passo and vitz is of 2 lacs. A good passo of good grades and reasonable mileage comes around 12.50 lacs while an average vitz with similar grades and low mileage comes around 14.50 lacs.

    G version of Passo and FM package of Vitz are cheaper.

    Hana Plus and Hana C Version of Passo and F Smile edition, F Ciel Package, and Jewela Package of Vitz are expensive.

    Recommendations:

    If it comes to me I would prefer Passo over Vitz any day due to more features and significant price difference.

    If I had 14.5 lacs for vitz, I?ll definitely arrange another lac or so and go for basic L version of Aqua hybrid.

    Both these cars are not performance cars for racing and stunting etc. these are economical cars made for daily use.

    If u are very conscious about looks, go for vitz... Otherwise if economy and a budget car in limited money is concerned, go for Passo...

    Hana Plus is very good car and cheaper than vitz with more options like climate control etc, and Yururi and Kutsorgi packages are even more cheaper than hana with some less features, also suits you.

    Note:

    This review is based on my personal perception, and everyone has right to differ from it.



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    Quote Originally Posted by DrUsmanNawaz View Post
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    Passo (2nd Gen) Vs Vitz (3rd Gen)

    Exterior:

    Looks of vitz are no doubt better than passo as it has more aerodynamic design, but passo isn?t bad either, especially back of the passo is very decent, front gives a bit FAT feeling, but Hana Package is very decent looking with projectors and fog lamp. Even I like hana more than vitz.

    Exterior looks ? Vitz: 8/10, Passo 7/10, Hana 8.5/10

    Interior:

    Interior of passo looked odd once it hit our roads, but all that feelings are from outside. When you sit inside, it gives a sort of solid feeling and decent too, all the accessories are easily accessible. Distance between driver and passenger is too much to give a big car feeling. The interior in front is very roomy, while at back it is a bit less. Plastic quality is very very good, lot better than Aqua, and some better than vitz. Dashboard is upright and straight.

    In vitz the front area seems to be bit compressed or compact, area seems to be less roomier than passo, there is gear console in middle so limitations of moving left knee and leg. At rear room is a bit broad than passo and leg space is a little more. Dashboard of vitz is also upright and straight as passo. Plastic quality is good, a bit less than passo, when u press dashboard it gives hollow feeling, plastic seems to be thin, while in passo dashboard and door linings are very solid.

    Interior color combination is better in passo than vitz (to me) but off white steering in hana version looks too odd, needs leather stitching in brown color. Dashboard linings in vitz are very decent but catch dust. Due to beige room, passo catches appears less dusty.

    Interior Plastic Quality: Vitz 8/10, Passo 9/10, Aqua 7/10

    Interior Appearance: Vitz 8/10, Passo 7/10


    Seats:

    In Passo, sofa seats are actually SOFA SEATS, these are soft, and one feel like sitting on a sofa in drawing room. As there is no gear console in middle, one can easily stretch his left leg, or move his left knee. As the front seats are BENCH SEATS in higher versions, 2 adults and a child of 3-7 years can easily accommodate on front seat. There are 2 armrests for driver, one in middle (left of driver) and one on right side of driver (on door), give leisure feeling during long drive, though the arm rest is bit hard for elbow, needs mild foam cushioning. Back seats can be converted into bed, on which 2 children can sleep, and if u also fold the backside of the seats, 3 children can easily sleep at back. There are 4-5 headrests in higher versions.

    In vitz, seats are more like bucket seats, give firm feeling, 2 adults can accommodate in front, and at back seats cannot be converted into bed. Seats are soft and good.

    Seat Quality: Vitz 8/10, Passo 8/10

    Seats Options: Vitz 7/10, Passo 9/10


    Boot Space:

    Boot space is vitz is slightly more than passo due to elongated boot lid, if passo can accommodate 100 units, vitz can accommodate 120 units, and aqua 130 units. But boot can be enlarged by folding the back seats in all these cars.

    Steering:

    Steering can be adjusted up and down as in other JDMs, I fixed it at lower most for more approach. Steering wheel is leatherite and has enormous grip. Power steering of the Passo is very soft and way better than Aqua. Steering of passo is very responsive, it is not lesser than vitz at all. Steering of Aqua is very heavy.

    Steering response: Vitz 9/10, Passo 9/10, Aqua 6/10

    Engine, Gear, Performance & Fuel Economy:

    Engine of passo and vitz is same i.e. 1 kr, and transmission is also same CVT. Performance of both the engines is same.

    Fuel economy of passo is slightly better than vitz, because of better weight to ppwer ration. Weight of Passo is 910 Kg and Vitz is 970 Kg.

    Fuel Average Local 12-15 km/L (both cars), Long Passo 19-21 km/l, Vitz 18-20 km/l

    Fuel Economy: Vitz 8/10, Passo 9/10


    Suspension:

    Surprisingly the suspension of vitz is not much superior to passo as mentioned by some members, I drove a 40k driven vitz and my passo, difference was not much. Suspension of all the JDMs is on harder side due to better roads in japan.

    Suspension: Vitz 8/10, Passo 7/10

    Sound Deadening (Cabin Noise):

    Sound insulation is passo is better than vitz. There is a clear difference, you can hear engine sound louder in vitz, but in passo it is less. Engines of both car produces some sound upto 50 or 60 km/hr but after that they become sound less. I cannot hear engine sound of my passo even at 120-130 km/hr.

    Sound Insulation: Vitz 6/10, Passo 8/10

    Brakes:

    Both are equipped with ABS, brakes are equivalent and better than ABS of Honda City (friend?s perception)

    Ground Clearance:

    GC of passo is better than vitz. Hitting the jumps is rare in passo in city drive with 1-2 people on board, however with more people you have to be more careful and cross the jumps at very less speed. I saw a vitz stumbled on a jump, forward wheels crossed the jump, rear wheels were behind the jump and the car stuck over jump, passo cross that jump easily.

    GC: Vitz 7/10, Passo 8.5/10

    Mileage in japan:

    More than 80% of the vitz that are imported from japan, 2012 model, are 50-80 k driven, because vitz is primarily
    used by males in Japan for job purpose and intercity drive. Most of the cars in our market with less mileage are meter reversed cars. More mileage means more insult to the engine and suspension. Although even 60 ? 70 k driven cars in Japan, do perform well here and are soundless and flawless.

    Passo on the other hand is used primarily by females in Japan for home purpose, so it is very easy to pick less driven car under 25-30 k mileage. Same mileage car in vitz will have sky high price. Less driven car, less insult to engine and suspension.

    Interior Options and Security Features:

    Security features in average version of Passo are more than vitz, there is smart key and push start and immobilizer and Anti-theft System, while in vitz most imported version is F which is without all these features.

    In my Passo there are 2 extra features which are optional, so found rare in passo, one is Tractional Control and other is engine start with remote. Traction control in vitz comes in new shape in 2014 model.

    In hana, projector lights, fog lamps, climate control, smart key, immobilizer, alloy rims etc. are clear cut advantages over any vitz with money saving of 1 lac at least.

    Price Difference:

    Price difference between average packages of passo and vitz is of 2 lacs. A good passo of good grades and reasonable mileage comes around 12.50 lacs while an average vitz with similar grades and low mileage comes around 14.50 lacs.

    G version of Passo and FM package of Vitz are cheaper.

    Hana Plus and Hana C Version of Passo and F Smile edition, F Ciel Package, and Jewela Package of Vitz are expensive.

    Recommendations:

    If it comes to me I would prefer Passo over Vitz any day due to more features and significant price difference.

    If I had 14.5 lacs for vitz, I?ll definitely arrange another lac or so and go for basic L version of Aqua hybrid.

    Both these cars are not performance cars for racing and stunting etc. these are economical cars made for daily use.

    If u are very conscious about looks, go for vitz... Otherwise if economy and a budget car in limited money is concerned, go for Passo...

    Hana Plus is very good car and cheaper than vitz with more options like climate control etc, and Yururi and Kutsorgi packages are even more cheaper than hana with some less features, also suits you.

    Note:

    This review is based on my personal perception, and everyone has right to differ from it.



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    JDM Time  Passo 2012 -1626553
    excellent review dr sb,
    thanks ,
    now im more inclined to buy passo because of its attractive interior and features.
    FeeL YoUng DriVE YoUnG......

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    excellent review dr sb,
    thanks ,
    now im more inclined to buy passo because of its attractive interior and features.
    Thanx...

    U can also incline towards my cars (no charges for inclining)... Hahaha...
    Just kidding... Keep your options open...
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    U can also incline towards my cars (no charges for inclining)... Hahaha...
    Just kidding... Keep your options open...
    In sha Allah i will consider your cars too.
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