Well I dont think you read the chingchi remark closely, calm down mate, nobody is comparing your beloved PKDM civic x with a chingchi, all I said was if someone wishes to compare it with a mehran or a chingchi he has all the right to do so, I dont see you or anyone else flaring up if we start comparing the PKDM civic with a merc or BMW, I saw Nabeel's post when someone was trying to draw a comparison between a vezel and the civic, why does it hurt so much if you compare it with something of less value, I intentionally said less value because in workmanship civic is starting to brush shoulders with suzuki. Again, thats a personal opinion. Is there a rule or a unspoken law that civic is above all criticism? Its a public forum and just like you everyone has the right to do as he pleases. I dont think anyone crossed any ethical boundaries when they compared Atlas workmanship with suzuki, or you mean to say that Honda Atlas cant steep that low? because you saw it yourself that they have cut corners and compromised on quality big time, The question is how can one be sure of the safety features of a 3 M car lets say its airbags when the car's doors arent even properly welded and finished. Again, for your emotional satisfaction Honda is worthy to design jet engines and maybe space shuttles but the PKDM civic we saw on the launch is no way worthy of what was expected of Honda, so, grow up, learn to face the realities and act your age, if someone doesnt agree to your standards he is not a kid or a toddler, again, nobody is comparing the car, everyone is comparing the workmanship, the quality. And there is nothing wrong in that.