Audi A3 First Impressions

[arslansohail84]

Shahnawaz cars are actually better though not in options as you can't get distronic but can get other options but at a very high cost
Shahnawaz cars are raised by 15mm from the factory and also have a hot climate pack with up rated AC capacity for Pakistan rest is the same
I would prefer the warranty and suitability for Pakistan of a Shahnawaz car anyday over a grey import but only if at that price it's suits your budget
Normally with all options there becomes a significant price difference and ordering custom takes time
The c classes they have in stock only have basic options like memory seats and panoramic roof etc

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Thanks for the opinion bro but price of basic c180 from shahnawaz is 6.9milion and adding up some Options and the amg package the price shoots upto 8million and This much for a c class is not justified.
Which make me think either buy a Brand new A4 or import a slightly used c class from japan.
By the way could you tell me what is distronic?
Can the language in a japanese merc be changed to english ?

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[arslansohail84]

Yep, warranty is tempting. Personally i only like amg mercs, though one would cost two crores :')
Basic driving i think audis can do better. A4 and c class are equally good but this a4 has been rated best a4 yet by reveiwers. See some reviews maybe.

///AMG

Yeah this A4 has been rated best uptill now but the problem is its exterior coz apart from its front and tail lights its almost identical to the previus gen.
Current A4 is rated best mainly coz of its premium interior which is better even if compared to a c180.

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[arslansohail84]

It would be wise to actually look at the factory option sheet to confirm the leather package. I have seen many cars that claimed leather but the sheet claimed vinyl seats.

What i have seen uptill now all the amg line c180 in japan auction comes equipped with full black leather interior.

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[arslansohail84]

Well i have seen Japenese Merc, a friends also own one but they are mostly in black interior/ black leather and no panaromic but other options are available....Shahnawaz Mercedes are some what limited options not basic but can be added on your special order and plus they got bigger radiators and strong a/c cooling system compare to UK/Japanese model.

With added options the price skyrockets upto 8million which is insane for a c class. Spending this much can also get me a A6 which is a class apart.
I think Ac system and small or bigger radiator is not going to be a big issue coz if i buy this its only going to be occasionally used. Like going out with friends and family. But the lowered amg pack ground clearance is a major issue as the car breakers in karachi can become hell for this car.
How is the drive feel and comfort level of a c180 as compared to a A3 and A4?

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[salik990]

Another factor is the slightly raised ride height with Shahnawaz. I have broken the floor board on my UK e250 twice. With those 245/45/18s the car clears the road by about 120mm. A slight drop in air pressure and it starts to scrape every bump.

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Oh yes mostly Shahnawaz E250cgi come with 17s 235/50 and different suspension

[salik990]

Thanks for the opinion bro but price of basic c180 from shahnawaz is 6.9milion and adding up some Options and the amg package the price shoots upto 8million and This much for a c class is not justified.
Which make me think either buy a Brand new A4 or import a slightly used c class from japan.
By the way could you tell me what is distronic?
Can the language in a japanese merc be changed to english ?

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Yea its not worth it in 8.0m from Shahnawaz Merc but still ppl buy it coz its brand new and with warranty. I would not pay more than 6.0m for C180cgi with amg kits, A4 is worth it in 5.8m with many options included.

[salik990]

With added options the price skyrockets upto 8million which is insane for a c class. Spending this much can also get me a A6 which is a class apart.
I think Ac system and small or bigger radiator is not going to be a big issue coz if i buy this its only going to be occasionally used. Like going out with friends and family. But the lowered amg pack ground clearance is a major issue as the car breakers in karachi can become hell for this car.
How is the drive feel and comfort level of a c180 as compared to a A3 and A4?

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For 8.0m i would buy brand new A6 with laser led headlight option. Amg kits from Shahnawaz is also not tht lowered compared to UK/Japanese model, i have not driven/ride in new C180 so cant really compare

[arzaam.bhatti]

Thanks for the opinion bro but price of basic c180 from shahnawaz is 6.9milion and adding up some Options and the amg package the price shoots upto 8million and This much for a c class is not justified.
Which make me think either buy a Brand new A4 or import a slightly used c class from japan.
By the way could you tell me what is distronic?
Can the language in a japanese merc be changed to english ?

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well you are asking me in a audi thread which is not the place to discuss this lol, I would just say if a person has 7-8million budget I dont think he would be thinking of a a4 at all, he would either get a C-class because he can and its a much more premium feeling car and 1.6 v 1.4 resulting in highger duty thats why more expensive and the base a4 isnt that well equipped either you need to spec options in that too

or if he likes Audi he would get a A6 then as mentioned aboved, depends on that person lifestyle, so if you have a 7-8million budget you would be looking at a a6 or a c class not a a4.

Distronic is radar guided cruise control, government has not approved the radar frequencies to be used in pakistan so you cant have this option on any brand new car sold here of any brand, but its available in grey imports.

and yes japanese language can be changed to english, you just have to have a translator so that you can goto settings menu and actually change it from there.

btw Personally if I only had 6 million and wanted a car for occasional use i would get a used older S-class or a 7 series if you can put up with the maintainence, or if I wanted a brand new one I would get a BMW 3 series for 5.5million and add a few options. I have never liked audis but thats just me I wont goto details in this thread but the 3 series has just had a facelift and has new engines available now 316i is gone the newest engine is 318i offered in pakistan, price is the same. If you value driving pleasure and and exclusivity 3 series is a nice alternative in this price.

for any more details or discussion on this topic with me please in my own thread or some other, as it would go off topic from this wonderfull thread which is very informative.

[ahmadbilalchaudary]

well you are asking me in a audi thread which is not the place to discuss this lol, I would just say if a person has 7-8million budget I dont think he would be thinking of a a4 at all, he would either get a C-class because he can and its a much more premium feeling car and 1.6 v 1.4 resulting in highger duty thats why more expensive and the base a4 isnt that well equipped either you need to spec options in that too

or if he likes Audi he would get a A6 then as mentioned aboved, depends on that person lifestyle, so if you have a 7-8million budget you would be looking at a a6 or a c class not a a4.

Distronic is radar guided cruise control, government has not approved the radar frequencies to be used in pakistan so you cant have this option on any brand new car sold here of any brand, but its available in grey imports.

and yes japanese language can be changed to english, you just have to have a translator so that you can goto settings menu and actually change it from there.

btw Personally if I only had 6 million and wanted a car for occasional use i would get a used older S-class or a 7 series if you can put up with the maintainence, or if I wanted a brand new one I would get a BMW 3 series for 5.5million and add a few options. I have never liked audis but thats just me I wont goto details in this thread but the 3 series has just had a facelift and has new engines available now 316i is gone the newest engine is 318i offered in pakistan, price is the same. If you value driving pleasure and and exclusivity 3 series is a nice alternative in this price.

for any more details or discussion on this topic with me please in my own thread or some other, as it would go off topic from this wonderfull thread which is very informative.

A4 is the segment of c class, many people, well known reveiwers rate it better. Old s and 7 series are terrible to maintain. About bmw its personal choice, depends upon the buyer. i never liked bmws, specially their interior. I hope this is not offtopic though.

///AMG

[salik990]

well you are asking me in a audi thread which is not the place to discuss this lol, I would just say if a person has 7-8million budget I dont think he would be thinking of a a4 at all, he would either get a C-class because he can and its a much more premium feeling car and 1.6 v 1.4 resulting in highger duty thats why more expensive and the base a4 isnt that well equipped either you need to spec options in that too

or if he likes Audi he would get a A6 then as mentioned aboved, depends on that person lifestyle, so if you have a 7-8million budget you would be looking at a a6 or a c class not a a4.

Distronic is radar guided cruise control, government has not approved the radar frequencies to be used in pakistan so you cant have this option on any brand new car sold here of any brand, but its available in grey imports.

and yes japanese language can be changed to english, you just have to have a translator so that you can goto settings menu and actually change it from there.

btw Personally if I only had 6 million and wanted a car for occasional use i would get a used older S-class or a 7 series if you can put up with the maintainence, or if I wanted a brand new one I would get a BMW 3 series for 5.5million and add a few options. I have never liked audis but thats just me I wont goto details in this thread but the 3 series has just had a facelift and has new engines available now 316i is gone the newest engine is 318i offered in pakistan, price is the same. If you value driving pleasure and and exclusivity 3 series is a nice alternative in this price.

for any more details or discussion on this topic with me please in my own thread or some other, as it would go off topic from this wonderfull thread which is very informative.

His budget is 6.0m which is below the price of brand new C180CGI but can buy brand new A4 with much more options than C180cgi. Also new A4 is much bigger n roomier than C180cgi, only the slight engine power is less A4 1.4 turbo is 150hp versus C180cgi 1.6 turbo is 156hp.
My bro in law have 2016 new 318i which is 1.5 turbo 136hp but if u add options it can go upto 6.5m easily but for 5.0m there's hardly very less options, a friend have 316i 2014 1.6 turbo 136hp costed him 6.8m due to many added features/options. If i want to spend that much i wud buy brand new A6 for 7.5m but its all upto your personal choice as i myself wasnt a big fan of Audi but it grow on me since we got A3/A4/A6 in family

[arzaam.bhatti]

I was talking on the basis that a friend has a 2015 316i which costed him 6.1 million
It has the following options over the base price of 5.5million xenon lights with the led rings , Dakota real leather upholstery package which also rolls in the adjustable center armrest and rear armrest (which you have to pay extra for in Audi to get real leather) and burr walnut trim instead of aluminum again in Audi you have to pay extra and 8spd steptronic transmission

Rest standard features are mostly the same as Audi apart from no electric seats but cruise control climate control idrive screen and controller are all there

The Bmw price your relative got would probably be one of the three lines they offer sport luxury and urban
If you select any of these lines it adds straighway 10lac to the price and contains mostly cosmetic upgrades along with Harmon kardon in some lines and bigger rims fog lights keyless start and entry etc (base model does have push button start but not keyless entry) you still have to add individual options

He didn't choose any line just the basic model with all these options so the price and features were comparable to Audi and performance was much better better being rear wheel drive and having adjustable driving modes from eco pro to sport and customised modes plus which again you have to pay extra for in audi to get Audi drive select if I am not mistaken unless it's standard on the 2016 a4
So spec is good if not better than the Audi as well as being way better to drive at the same price point and Dewan has much better after sales service
Fuel economy is very good to his does 20km/l on the motorway and 13km/l in the city with auto stop start disables as he doesn't like that
On 120 with the 8psd transmission rpm is at 1800 which is excellent
Okay sure Audi is better looking and the materials used are of high quality but if you view driving pleasure Bmw is a strong choice without trade offs in 6 million bracket
That said you just can't go wrong with a Audi either so again boils down to personal taste cars are a emotive choice I fully respect the a4 and given so few choices we have its a good well thought out option
I guess Useless to discuss c class now as doesn't fall in budget

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[asadi13]

Friends A6 with 19inch wheels, matrix headlights, soft close doors and many other options cost him abt 10 Mil so you can imagine how much this car is loaded when the starting price of A6 is 7.5mil.
Btw its for sale now with only 5k kms on the odo

[salik990]

Friends A6 with 19inch wheels, matrix headlights, soft close doors and many other options cost him abt 10 Mil so you can imagine how much this car is loaded when the starting price of A6 is 7.5mil.
Btw its for sale now with only 5k kms on the odo

Can you send me the contact # or the link for this A6, a friend is looking for clean A6

[asadi13]

Can you send me the contact # or the link for this A6, a friend is looking for clean A6

He is out of country but will be back next week than i will ask him again, is your friend based in isb?

[salik990]

He is out of country but will be back next week than i will ask him again, is your friend based in isb?

Based in Khi

[arslansohail84]

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[arslansohail84]

I was talking on the basis that a friend has a 2015 316i which costed him 6.1 million
It has the following options over the base price of 5.5million xenon lights with the led rings , Dakota real leather upholstery package which also rolls in the adjustable center armrest and rear armrest (which you have to pay extra for in Audi to get real leather) and burr walnut trim instead of aluminum again in Audi you have to pay extra and 8spd steptronic transmission

Rest standard features are mostly the same as Audi apart from no electric seats but cruise control climate control idrive screen and controller are all there

The Bmw price your relative got would probably be one of the three lines they offer sport luxury and urban
If you select any of these lines it adds straighway 10lac to the price and contains mostly cosmetic upgrades along with Harmon kardon in some lines and bigger rims fog lights keyless start and entry etc (base model does have push button start but not keyless entry) you still have to add individual options

He didn't choose any line just the basic model with all these options so the price and features were comparable to Audi and performance was much better better being rear wheel drive and having adjustable driving modes from eco pro to sport and customised modes plus which again you have to pay extra for in audi to get Audi drive select if I am not mistaken unless it's standard on the 2016 a4
So spec is good if not better than the Audi as well as being way better to drive at the same price point and Dewan has much better after sales service
Fuel economy is very good to his does 20km/l on the motorway and 13km/l in the city with auto stop start disables as he doesn't like that
On 120 with the 8psd transmission rpm is at 1800 which is excellent
Okay sure Audi is better looking and the materials used are of high quality but if you view driving pleasure Bmw is a strong choice without trade offs in 6 million bracket
That said you just can't go wrong with a Audi either so again boils down to personal taste cars are a emotive choice I fully respect the a4 and given so few choices we have its a good well thought out option
I guess Useless to discuss c class now as doesn't fall in budget

Firstly i would like to tell that i respect your opinion and i myself is a die heart fan of the bmw bagde. But atleast to me the 318i isnt as apealing as a c180 or A4.

Although it might be the bestest of places to be while you r on the driving seat but its overtaken by its competitors when it comes exterior and interior and that too by long margins. It badly need a new shape which is quiet obvious by looking at its international sales.

Even performance of the 318i isnt at par, it takes more then 9secs to reach100km/h while a4 and c180 both does it in 8.5secs. But it does have a better 8speed tranny and idrive. While audi isnt also far behind with its dcg.
A couple of things that i would like to add to your knowlegde is that audi drive select and walnut inlays are now standard in the current A4 while cruise controll is absolutely useless in karachi as it hardly ever comes into play on our roads.
You might still disagree with me But considering 318i over a A4 is a big no for me atleast.

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[arslansohail84]

Firstly i would like to tell that i respect your opinion and i myself is a die heart fan of the bmw bagde. But atleast to me the 318i isnt as apealing as a c180 or A4.

Although it might be the bestest of places to be while you r on the driving seat but its overtaken by its competitors when it comes exterior and interior and that too by long margins. It badly need a new shape which is quiet obvious by looking at its international sales.

Even performance of the 318i isnt at par, it takes more then 9secs to reach100km/h while a4 and c180 both does it in 8.5secs. But it does have a better 8speed tranny and idrive. While audi isnt also far behind with its dcg.
A couple of things that i would like to add to your knowlegde is that audi drive select and walnut inlays are now standard in the current A4 while cruise controll is absolutely useless in karachi as it hardly ever comes into play on our roads.
You might still disagree with me But considering 318i over a A4 is a big no for me atleast.

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[arzaam.bhatti]

Firstly i would like to tell that i respect your opinion and i myself is a die heart fan of the bmw bagde. But atleast to me the 318i isnt as apealing as a c180 or A4.

Although it might be the bestest of places to be while you r on the driving seat but its overtaken by its competitors when it comes exterior and interior and that too by long margins. It badly need a new shape which is quiet obvious by looking at its international sales.

Even performance of the 318i isnt at par, it takes more then 9secs to reach100km/h while a4 and c180 both does it in 8.5secs. But it does have a better 8speed tranny and idrive. While audi isnt also far behind with its dcg.
A couple of things that i would like to add to your knowlegde is that audi drive select and walnut inlays are now standard in the current A4 while cruise controll is absolutely useless in karachi as it hardly ever comes into play on our roads.
You might still disagree with me But considering 318i over a A4 is a big no for me atleast.

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Thanks for the update glad we could make the choice final for you
Like I said boils down to different taste

if it were my money I would get a used 7 series as maintainence isn't a issue for me and having a flagship product with all the bells and whistles and the performance would seal the deal for me hard to find a good used s class though or a new 3 series as second choice it's half a second slower but feels a premium German rwd to drive where as Audi feels a bit mundane without Quattro and is better on motorway and has a higher top speed than the a4 though you are right this is irrelevant for you in Karachi as is handling prowess in karachi. though but that's my taste and everyone has theirs

But looking forward to your Audi A4 thread enjoy your choice

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[arslansohail84]

Thanks for the update glad we could make the choice final for you
Like I said boils down to different taste

if it were my money I would get a used 7 series as maintainence isn't a issue for me and having a flagship product with all the bells and whistles and the performance would seal the deal for me hard to find a good used s class though or a new 3 series as second choice it's half a second slower but feels a premium German rwd to drive where as Audi feels a bit mundane without Quattro and is better on motorway and has a higher top speed than the a4 though you are right this is irrelevant for you in Karachi as is handling prowess in karachi. though but that's my taste and everyone has theirs

But looking forward to your Audi A4 thread enjoy your choice

Sir abi kaha final hoi hai. In The previous post i was just saying that 318i doesnt suit my requirements.
I would have gone for a4 eyes closed but spending this much and getting a fwd car isnt a good idea.
Thats why m drifted more the c180. Which fulfill all my requirements apart. Either get a basic brand new version or import it from japan with all the goodies.
Could you shed some light on the problems that i can face in a grey imported one ?

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