Audi A3 First Impressions

[arzaam.bhatti]

Thanks for the opinion bro but price of basic c180 from shahnawaz is 6.9milion and adding up some Options and the amg package the price shoots upto 8million and This much for a c class is not justified.
Which make me think either buy a Brand new A4 or import a slightly used c class from japan.
By the way could you tell me what is distronic?
Can the language in a japanese merc be changed to english ?

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well you are asking me in a audi thread which is not the place to discuss this lol, I would just say if a person has 7-8million budget I dont think he would be thinking of a a4 at all, he would either get a C-class because he can and its a much more premium feeling car and 1.6 v 1.4 resulting in highger duty thats why more expensive and the base a4 isnt that well equipped either you need to spec options in that too

or if he likes Audi he would get a A6 then as mentioned aboved, depends on that person lifestyle, so if you have a 7-8million budget you would be looking at a a6 or a c class not a a4.

Distronic is radar guided cruise control, government has not approved the radar frequencies to be used in pakistan so you cant have this option on any brand new car sold here of any brand, but its available in grey imports.

and yes japanese language can be changed to english, you just have to have a translator so that you can goto settings menu and actually change it from there.

btw Personally if I only had 6 million and wanted a car for occasional use i would get a used older S-class or a 7 series if you can put up with the maintainence, or if I wanted a brand new one I would get a BMW 3 series for 5.5million and add a few options. I have never liked audis but thats just me I wont goto details in this thread but the 3 series has just had a facelift and has new engines available now 316i is gone the newest engine is 318i offered in pakistan, price is the same. If you value driving pleasure and and exclusivity 3 series is a nice alternative in this price.

for any more details or discussion on this topic with me please in my own thread or some other, as it would go off topic from this wonderfull thread which is very informative.

[ahmadbilalchaudary]

well you are asking me in a audi thread which is not the place to discuss this lol, I would just say if a person has 7-8million budget I dont think he would be thinking of a a4 at all, he would either get a C-class because he can and its a much more premium feeling car and 1.6 v 1.4 resulting in highger duty thats why more expensive and the base a4 isnt that well equipped either you need to spec options in that too

or if he likes Audi he would get a A6 then as mentioned aboved, depends on that person lifestyle, so if you have a 7-8million budget you would be looking at a a6 or a c class not a a4.

Distronic is radar guided cruise control, government has not approved the radar frequencies to be used in pakistan so you cant have this option on any brand new car sold here of any brand, but its available in grey imports.

and yes japanese language can be changed to english, you just have to have a translator so that you can goto settings menu and actually change it from there.

btw Personally if I only had 6 million and wanted a car for occasional use i would get a used older S-class or a 7 series if you can put up with the maintainence, or if I wanted a brand new one I would get a BMW 3 series for 5.5million and add a few options. I have never liked audis but thats just me I wont goto details in this thread but the 3 series has just had a facelift and has new engines available now 316i is gone the newest engine is 318i offered in pakistan, price is the same. If you value driving pleasure and and exclusivity 3 series is a nice alternative in this price.

for any more details or discussion on this topic with me please in my own thread or some other, as it would go off topic from this wonderfull thread which is very informative.

A4 is the segment of c class, many people, well known reveiwers rate it better. Old s and 7 series are terrible to maintain. About bmw its personal choice, depends upon the buyer. i never liked bmws, specially their interior. I hope this is not offtopic though.

///AMG

[salik990]

well you are asking me in a audi thread which is not the place to discuss this lol, I would just say if a person has 7-8million budget I dont think he would be thinking of a a4 at all, he would either get a C-class because he can and its a much more premium feeling car and 1.6 v 1.4 resulting in highger duty thats why more expensive and the base a4 isnt that well equipped either you need to spec options in that too

or if he likes Audi he would get a A6 then as mentioned aboved, depends on that person lifestyle, so if you have a 7-8million budget you would be looking at a a6 or a c class not a a4.

Distronic is radar guided cruise control, government has not approved the radar frequencies to be used in pakistan so you cant have this option on any brand new car sold here of any brand, but its available in grey imports.

and yes japanese language can be changed to english, you just have to have a translator so that you can goto settings menu and actually change it from there.

btw Personally if I only had 6 million and wanted a car for occasional use i would get a used older S-class or a 7 series if you can put up with the maintainence, or if I wanted a brand new one I would get a BMW 3 series for 5.5million and add a few options. I have never liked audis but thats just me I wont goto details in this thread but the 3 series has just had a facelift and has new engines available now 316i is gone the newest engine is 318i offered in pakistan, price is the same. If you value driving pleasure and and exclusivity 3 series is a nice alternative in this price.

for any more details or discussion on this topic with me please in my own thread or some other, as it would go off topic from this wonderfull thread which is very informative.

His budget is 6.0m which is below the price of brand new C180CGI but can buy brand new A4 with much more options than C180cgi. Also new A4 is much bigger n roomier than C180cgi, only the slight engine power is less A4 1.4 turbo is 150hp versus C180cgi 1.6 turbo is 156hp.
My bro in law have 2016 new 318i which is 1.5 turbo 136hp but if u add options it can go upto 6.5m easily but for 5.0m there's hardly very less options, a friend have 316i 2014 1.6 turbo 136hp costed him 6.8m due to many added features/options. If i want to spend that much i wud buy brand new A6 for 7.5m but its all upto your personal choice as i myself wasnt a big fan of Audi but it grow on me since we got A3/A4/A6 in family

[arzaam.bhatti]

I was talking on the basis that a friend has a 2015 316i which costed him 6.1 million
It has the following options over the base price of 5.5million xenon lights with the led rings , Dakota real leather upholstery package which also rolls in the adjustable center armrest and rear armrest (which you have to pay extra for in Audi to get real leather) and burr walnut trim instead of aluminum again in Audi you have to pay extra and 8spd steptronic transmission

Rest standard features are mostly the same as Audi apart from no electric seats but cruise control climate control idrive screen and controller are all there

The Bmw price your relative got would probably be one of the three lines they offer sport luxury and urban
If you select any of these lines it adds straighway 10lac to the price and contains mostly cosmetic upgrades along with Harmon kardon in some lines and bigger rims fog lights keyless start and entry etc (base model does have push button start but not keyless entry) you still have to add individual options

He didn't choose any line just the basic model with all these options so the price and features were comparable to Audi and performance was much better better being rear wheel drive and having adjustable driving modes from eco pro to sport and customised modes plus which again you have to pay extra for in audi to get Audi drive select if I am not mistaken unless it's standard on the 2016 a4
So spec is good if not better than the Audi as well as being way better to drive at the same price point and Dewan has much better after sales service
Fuel economy is very good to his does 20km/l on the motorway and 13km/l in the city with auto stop start disables as he doesn't like that
On 120 with the 8psd transmission rpm is at 1800 which is excellent
Okay sure Audi is better looking and the materials used are of high quality but if you view driving pleasure Bmw is a strong choice without trade offs in 6 million bracket
That said you just can't go wrong with a Audi either so again boils down to personal taste cars are a emotive choice I fully respect the a4 and given so few choices we have its a good well thought out option
I guess Useless to discuss c class now as doesn't fall in budget

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[asadi13]

Friends A6 with 19inch wheels, matrix headlights, soft close doors and many other options cost him abt 10 Mil so you can imagine how much this car is loaded when the starting price of A6 is 7.5mil.
Btw its for sale now with only 5k kms on the odo

[salik990]

Friends A6 with 19inch wheels, matrix headlights, soft close doors and many other options cost him abt 10 Mil so you can imagine how much this car is loaded when the starting price of A6 is 7.5mil.
Btw its for sale now with only 5k kms on the odo

Can you send me the contact # or the link for this A6, a friend is looking for clean A6

[asadi13]

Can you send me the contact # or the link for this A6, a friend is looking for clean A6

He is out of country but will be back next week than i will ask him again, is your friend based in isb?

[salik990]

He is out of country but will be back next week than i will ask him again, is your friend based in isb?

Based in Khi

[arslansohail84]

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[arslansohail84]

I was talking on the basis that a friend has a 2015 316i which costed him 6.1 million
It has the following options over the base price of 5.5million xenon lights with the led rings , Dakota real leather upholstery package which also rolls in the adjustable center armrest and rear armrest (which you have to pay extra for in Audi to get real leather) and burr walnut trim instead of aluminum again in Audi you have to pay extra and 8spd steptronic transmission

Rest standard features are mostly the same as Audi apart from no electric seats but cruise control climate control idrive screen and controller are all there

The Bmw price your relative got would probably be one of the three lines they offer sport luxury and urban
If you select any of these lines it adds straighway 10lac to the price and contains mostly cosmetic upgrades along with Harmon kardon in some lines and bigger rims fog lights keyless start and entry etc (base model does have push button start but not keyless entry) you still have to add individual options

He didn't choose any line just the basic model with all these options so the price and features were comparable to Audi and performance was much better better being rear wheel drive and having adjustable driving modes from eco pro to sport and customised modes plus which again you have to pay extra for in audi to get Audi drive select if I am not mistaken unless it's standard on the 2016 a4
So spec is good if not better than the Audi as well as being way better to drive at the same price point and Dewan has much better after sales service
Fuel economy is very good to his does 20km/l on the motorway and 13km/l in the city with auto stop start disables as he doesn't like that
On 120 with the 8psd transmission rpm is at 1800 which is excellent
Okay sure Audi is better looking and the materials used are of high quality but if you view driving pleasure Bmw is a strong choice without trade offs in 6 million bracket
That said you just can't go wrong with a Audi either so again boils down to personal taste cars are a emotive choice I fully respect the a4 and given so few choices we have its a good well thought out option
I guess Useless to discuss c class now as doesn't fall in budget

Firstly i would like to tell that i respect your opinion and i myself is a die heart fan of the bmw bagde. But atleast to me the 318i isnt as apealing as a c180 or A4.

Although it might be the bestest of places to be while you r on the driving seat but its overtaken by its competitors when it comes exterior and interior and that too by long margins. It badly need a new shape which is quiet obvious by looking at its international sales.

Even performance of the 318i isnt at par, it takes more then 9secs to reach100km/h while a4 and c180 both does it in 8.5secs. But it does have a better 8speed tranny and idrive. While audi isnt also far behind with its dcg.
A couple of things that i would like to add to your knowlegde is that audi drive select and walnut inlays are now standard in the current A4 while cruise controll is absolutely useless in karachi as it hardly ever comes into play on our roads.
You might still disagree with me But considering 318i over a A4 is a big no for me atleast.

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[arslansohail84]

Firstly i would like to tell that i respect your opinion and i myself is a die heart fan of the bmw bagde. But atleast to me the 318i isnt as apealing as a c180 or A4.

Although it might be the bestest of places to be while you r on the driving seat but its overtaken by its competitors when it comes exterior and interior and that too by long margins. It badly need a new shape which is quiet obvious by looking at its international sales.

Even performance of the 318i isnt at par, it takes more then 9secs to reach100km/h while a4 and c180 both does it in 8.5secs. But it does have a better 8speed tranny and idrive. While audi isnt also far behind with its dcg.
A couple of things that i would like to add to your knowlegde is that audi drive select and walnut inlays are now standard in the current A4 while cruise controll is absolutely useless in karachi as it hardly ever comes into play on our roads.
You might still disagree with me But considering 318i over a A4 is a big no for me atleast.

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[arzaam.bhatti]

Firstly i would like to tell that i respect your opinion and i myself is a die heart fan of the bmw bagde. But atleast to me the 318i isnt as apealing as a c180 or A4.

Although it might be the bestest of places to be while you r on the driving seat but its overtaken by its competitors when it comes exterior and interior and that too by long margins. It badly need a new shape which is quiet obvious by looking at its international sales.

Even performance of the 318i isnt at par, it takes more then 9secs to reach100km/h while a4 and c180 both does it in 8.5secs. But it does have a better 8speed tranny and idrive. While audi isnt also far behind with its dcg.
A couple of things that i would like to add to your knowlegde is that audi drive select and walnut inlays are now standard in the current A4 while cruise controll is absolutely useless in karachi as it hardly ever comes into play on our roads.
You might still disagree with me But considering 318i over a A4 is a big no for me atleast.

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Thanks for the update glad we could make the choice final for you
Like I said boils down to different taste

if it were my money I would get a used 7 series as maintainence isn't a issue for me and having a flagship product with all the bells and whistles and the performance would seal the deal for me hard to find a good used s class though or a new 3 series as second choice it's half a second slower but feels a premium German rwd to drive where as Audi feels a bit mundane without Quattro and is better on motorway and has a higher top speed than the a4 though you are right this is irrelevant for you in Karachi as is handling prowess in karachi. though but that's my taste and everyone has theirs

But looking forward to your Audi A4 thread enjoy your choice

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[arslansohail84]

Thanks for the update glad we could make the choice final for you
Like I said boils down to different taste

if it were my money I would get a used 7 series as maintainence isn't a issue for me and having a flagship product with all the bells and whistles and the performance would seal the deal for me hard to find a good used s class though or a new 3 series as second choice it's half a second slower but feels a premium German rwd to drive where as Audi feels a bit mundane without Quattro and is better on motorway and has a higher top speed than the a4 though you are right this is irrelevant for you in Karachi as is handling prowess in karachi. though but that's my taste and everyone has theirs

But looking forward to your Audi A4 thread enjoy your choice

Sir abi kaha final hoi hai. In The previous post i was just saying that 318i doesnt suit my requirements.
I would have gone for a4 eyes closed but spending this much and getting a fwd car isnt a good idea.
Thats why m drifted more the c180. Which fulfill all my requirements apart. Either get a basic brand new version or import it from japan with all the goodies.
Could you shed some light on the problems that i can face in a grey imported one ?

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[arslansohail84]

Sir abi kaha final hoi hai. In The previous post i was just saying that 318i doesnt suit my requirements.
However i would have gone for a4 eyes closed but spending this much and getting a fwd car isnt a good idea.
Thats why m drifted more towards the c180. Which fulfill all my requirements. Either get a basic brand new version or import it from japan with all the goodies.
Could you shed some light on the problems that i can face in a grey imported one ?

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[salik990]

Sir abi kaha final hoi hai. In The previous post i was just saying that 318i doesnt suit my requirements.
However i would have gone for a4 eyes closed but spending this much and getting a fwd car isnt a good idea.
Thats why m drifted more towards the c180. Which fulfill all my requirements. Either get a basic brand new version or import it from japan with all the goodies.
Could you shed some light on the problems that i can face in a grey imported one ?

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Importing from UK/Japan is no problem but make sure u get to know all the options before buying as it will be added in duty cost, one guy here bought C250cgi amg kit slightly used i think from UK....he has done brabus tuned as well and i heard it costed him around 9.5-10m....brabus ecu tune not included

[arslansohail84]

Importing from UK/Japan is no problem but make sure u get to know all the options before buying as it will be added in duty cost, one guy here bought C250cgi amg kit slightly used i think from UK....he has done brabus tuned as well and i heard it costed him around 9.5-10m....brabus ecu tune not included

C200 and C250 of w205 now comes only in 2000cc so the increase in price is due to higher rate of custom duties which is i guess 200% and also add to that 50% rd which we have to pay on cars above 1800cc.

By the way yesterday night saw the latest E class w213 outside southend club and from the back it was quiet identical to a c class.
Looks time the designers at merc have gone crazy just copy pasting the shape of s class in all there segments with minor changes.

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[salik990]

C200 and C250 of w205 now comes only in 2000cc so the increase in price is due to higher rate of custom duties which is i guess 200% and also add to that 50% rd which we have to pay on cars above 1800cc.

By the way yesterday night saw the latest E class w213 outside southend club and from the back it was quiet identical to a c class.
Looks time the designers at merc have gone crazy just copy pasting the shape of s class in all there segments with minor changes.

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yes i know its 2000cc tht why used C250cgi is costing around 9.5-10m, i went to shahnawaz showroom to see the new W213 E200/250cgi as i want to replace my grandfather W212 2010 E250cgi but i didnt like it as everything is copy as S class plus the basic option starting from 11.5m and with additional options can go upto 13-14m...its same 2000cc as w205 C250cgi engine

[arzaam.bhatti]

Sir abi kaha final hoi hai. In The previous post i was just saying that 318i doesnt suit my requirements.
However i would have gone for a4 eyes closed but spending this much and getting a fwd car isnt a good idea.
Thats why m drifted more towards the c180. Which fulfill all my requirements. Either get a basic brand new version or import it from japan with all the goodies.
Could you shed some light on the problems that i can face in a grey imported one ?

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my first concern would be ascertaining the condition, most c classes are uk imported while most s classes are Japanese import(the majority I have seen) of the new model years, with uk imports you need to run the uk registration through a paid service to get the car history for the couple of pounds, I did that couple of times for some friends, youll be surprised how many bad cars I found, there was a mercedes whose last MOT before de registration had been a failure meaning it was not even raod legal there, I used a cheap service, could have gotten more details like MOT advisories or insurance right off, there was a lexus ct200h with 65000 miles on the odo being sold here as fresh uk import 20k km on the odo, and a hilux which was a CAT C and had be repaired and sold here.


similarly Japanese cars can also contains lemons not to mention youll have no service history. options and features would only be my secondary concern. auction sheet might tell you if its been accident or not but wont tell you about its mechanical condition. and if you are going to buy a car at a showroom here thats already been grey imported then I would advise why not buy a 7 series or a s class as youll be in the exact same boat risk wise, so unless you buy a UK Mercedes approved used merc with warranty and service history and then have that very car shipped here then it will make sense and also end up costing a whole lot more here as pointed by others. So a new car like A4 makes more sense and if going used then get a flagship car why waste time on these lower models.


thats my advice but at the end of the day its the buyer whose spending 6 million or so, I dont think he needs anyone to help him make his mind up, I know when I buy a car I dont ask anyone for advice because I know what I want and what I need and what I desire, you dont need reviews to tell you how good the car is, you can ascertain that by a test drive yourself, Reviews or advice in my experience only help when you are super concerned of getting the most bang for your buck in an economy car.

[arzaam.bhatti]

I actually had a half an hour hands on experience with a w213, got to explore every part of it, two of these cars arrived from germany a little over a month ago and were being unloaded and washed, these two examples have not and will not be sold to the public they were for testing purposes and to train staff, when they first arrived I was there luckily and Malik their senior manager whom me and my father are on good terms with invited me a detailed look at the car on the promise I wont share or take any picutres because they still had couple of w212 orders in the pipeline whoose owners I am sure would be cross if they know before their cars are delivered that new model is now available with shahnawaz, no interior pictures as they had thier scanners ad duplexors attach and wires running and I wasnt allowed anyway though If anyone needs it I can show the time stamp when the pics were taken. one sport and one luxury model, I only got to see interior of the sport

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I quite liked it actually the interior is just like the S class and has moved the game miles ahead of the a6 it feels so premium inside, but then it should considering how much shahnawaz demands for it here, and the design is not really a issue as if you stand next to it you can tell it apart from a c and S from its size which is pretty obvious, Unless you have c and e and s in the family and attempts to show of are being thwarted by the relatives C lol same design wont be a issue especially I would imagine the C class owner very pleased with his styling.

its the new MB corporate face just like BMW has their headlights and kidney grille youll either like it or hate one of the corporate faces of audi, bmw, mercedes whatever suits that person.

[ahmadbilalchaudary]

I actually had a half an hour hands on experience with a w213, got to explore every part of it, two of these cars arrived from germany a little over a month ago and were being unloaded and washed, these two examples have not and will not be sold to the public they were for testing purposes and to train staff, when they first arrived I was there luckily and Malik their senior manager whom me and my father are on good terms with invited me a detailed look at the car on the promise I wont share or take any picutres because they still had couple of w212 orders in the pipeline whoose owners I am sure would be cross if they know before their cars are delivered that new model is now available with shahnawaz, no interior pictures as they had thier scanners ad duplexors attach and wires running and I wasnt allowed anyway though If anyone needs it I can show the time stamp when the pics were taken. one sport and one luxury model, I only got to see interior of the sport

IMG_3220 by Arzaam Bhatti, on Flickr

IMG_3231 by Arzaam Bhatti, on Flickr

IMG_3215 by Arzaam Bhatti, on Flickr

IMG_3263 by Arzaam Bhatti, on Flickr

IMG_3232 by Arzaam Bhatti, on Flickr

I quite liked it actually the interior is just like the S class and has moved the game miles ahead of the a6 it feels so premium inside, but then it should considering how much shahnawaz demands for it here, and the design is not really a issue as if you stand next to it you can tell it apart from a c and S from its size which is pretty obvious, Unless you have c and e and s in the family and attempts to show of are being thwarted by the relatives C lol same design wont be a issue especially I would imagine the C class owner very pleased with his styling.

its the new MB corporate face just like BMW has their headlights and kidney grille youll either like it or hate one of the corporate faces of audi, bmw, mercedes whatever suits that person.

This designing is so good for c and e owners, specially c class lol, takes a second look to know its c not s..

///AMG