Car not climbing steep hill

[VCheng]

RIGHT .

Honda accord | vitz | Charade | Wagon R | Real estate | Dubai

Quite often, it is driver skill, and not vehicle capability, that is lacking under the demanding conditions found in the northern areas, no offence to the OP, of course.

[zak82]

If I put the brakes on and give full accelerator in D mode, what will happen??

The transmission would want the tyres to rotate but they won't due to application of brakes. Meaning , there would be some gear slippage going on inside some wear and tear

If I co relate this case with my car at a steep hill of 30 degree just standing still at D without application of brakes, it means there's something inside not doing it's work properly, either the gears or torque converter or perhaps the engine Tooo . And if I further put the accelerator down to bottom with no movement in vehicle whatsoever, than I'm further aggravating the wear and tear of moving parts

I believe this could be it

Yes or no?

[green3003]

I mostly having trips in galyat and northren areas .... its because of low oxygen and some engines can work good with low oxygen and some dnt one cant do any thing about it i think u shuld have a jeep FWD specially designed for this purpose4 dnt push ur car that hard its too much for a car

[zak82]

Its an AWD vehicle without the shaft lol

Great people at customs u know....

Easiest solution is to stop going steep hills haha

Or buy a rear wheel for those purposes

[zak82]

I mostly having trips in galyat and northren areas .... its because of low oxygen and some engines can work good with low oxygen and some dnt one cant do any thing about it i think u shuld have a jeep FWD specially designed for this purpose4 dnt push ur car that hard its too much for a car

I think less oxygen would only increase the fuel consumption to maintain the combustion as rich mixture. I agree to the overall aspect of not exerting extra pressure on the small vehicle but its a JDM with 64 bhp

[VCheng]

If I put the brakes on and give full accelerator in D mode, what will happen??

The transmission would want the tyres to rotate but they won't due to application of brakes. Meaning , there would be some gear slippage going on inside some wear and tear

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That is called Torque Converter Stall Speed. You can ask Unkul Googul or read this:

Banks Power | Understanding Stall Speed

[Xulfiqar]

When that happens, one or both tires may be slipping. If so, your problem may be one of traction rather than power.

you are putting too much faith into a motorcycle engine pulling a car from low rpm.

[Xulfiqar]

If I put the brakes on and give full accelerator in D mode, what will happen??

The transmission would want the tyres to rotate but they won't due to application of brakes. Meaning , there would be some gear slippage going on inside some wear and tear

If I co relate this case with my car at a steep hill of 30 degree just standing still at D without application of brakes, it means there's something inside not doing it's work properly, either the gears or torque converter or perhaps the engine Tooo . And if I further put the accelerator down to bottom with no movement in vehicle whatsoever, than I'm further aggravating the wear and tear of moving parts

I believe this could be it

Yes or no?

the torque converter can only work with the given torque that its receiving from the pump to the turbine, When you overload the system (like your case) you are only churning the ATF oil, (heating it up really really badly) in the torque converter as the transmission is presenting an increased vehicle load (climb)

You need to drop the reduction ratio down further to increase your given torque, but as you are in the lowest gear, going lower is not possible.

In a powerful engine/vehicle combination with RWD, if you press the brakes fully and apply engine power with shifter in D, there will be a time when the engine power overcomes the brakes and you get a "brake torque" burnout.

In FWD this wont be possible as the front brakes are very powerful by default in any car.

[VCheng]

you are putting too much faith into a motorcycle engine pulling a car from low rpm.

Faith has nothing to do with this. I am just trying to ascertain the facts of evidence.

[Xulfiqar]

Faith has nothing to do with this. I am just trying to ascertain the facts of evidence.

hmm - so we are expecting a 660 mouse engine to do wheelspin whilst pulling a heavy vehicle.

[VCheng]

hmm - so we are expecting a 660 mouse engine to do wheelspin whilst pulling a heavy vehicle.

With mouse wheels, FWD, up a slope with the front end unloaded, open differential, pulling a tin can body, on a crappy road surface. Yup. It's possible.

[aamirahsan89]

Check your pressure plate and clutch plate. If on a floored pedal there is no tire movement, your clutch plate or pressure plate may have an issue

[VCheng]

Check your pressure plate and clutch plate. If on a floored pedal there is no tire movement, your clutch plate or pressure plate may have an issue

In an automatic transmission?

[aamirahsan89]

In an automatic transmission?

I meant brake bands and clutch drums. The things responsible for transferring the torque from the engine to the gearbox

[VCheng]

I meant brake bands and clutch drums. The things responsible for transferring the torque from the engine to the gearbox

Please read up on "torque converter stall speed" at the link I posted above before we discuss this further.

[Xulfiqar]

With mouse wheels, FWD, up a slope with the front end unloaded, open differential, pulling a tin can body, on a crappy road surface. Yup. It's possible.

ok - youve seen the scion xb right? throw out the 2.4 2AZ engine from it and install a 0.66 litre engine in it that redlines at 8500 rpm, Wont be pretty

[VCheng]

ok - youve seen the scion xb right? throw out the 2.4 2AZ engine from it and install a 0.66 litre engine in it that redlines at 8500 rpm, Wont be pretty

I never said pretty. I will accept "frantic".

[Xulfiqar]

I meant brake bands and clutch drums. The things responsible for transferring the torque from the engine to the gearbox

I think you are backwards in how an automatic works.

The clutches are applied when the shifter gate opens in D, the ECU/TCU (if bijli waala gheyrbuxa) has also applied the correct shift solenoids, no issues here, the problem is that there is no input coming from the torque converter turbine to rotate the input shaft.

[mehrozniazi1]

keep the car in momentum .. n these small cars have maximum 250kg load ..so it get tuff while going up the mountains

every week i visit margalla hills on 660 ...with 2 person its king ..but with 3 it starts to struggle

[zak82]

I think you are backwards in how an automatic works.

The clutches are applied when the shifter gate opens in D, the ECU/TCU (if bijli waala gheyrbuxa) has also applied the correct shift solenoids, no issues here, the problem is that there is no input coming from the torque converter turbine to rotate the input shaft.

What's the remedial measures for input shaft sensor DTC P0717??

Does it has anything to do with this problem?