Changan Alsvin ; Dedicated Discussion, Owner/ Fan Club Thread

[burhanahmed1]

I am not buying Alsvin, but why people are neglecting the fact that Yaris top of line is actually very downgraded version as compared to international model. You can check Indian vs Pakistani Yaris and can feel the difference. In PKDM Yaris will have all the features available in Indian Yaris, then it's price is near 4 million on Pakistan.

Yaris in Pakistan is downgraded compared to Yaris variant in India, but not compared to variant in Saudi Arabia. On the other hand, Alsvin variant in Pakistan is significantly downgraded compared to Alsvin variant in Saudi Arabia. Since prices of Alsvin and Yaris can be compared in Saudi Arabia and not India as Alsvin is not available there, let's compare specs and prices of local variants with those in Saudi Arabia.

[mrkt123]

Here is another eye opener that shows overpricing of PKDM Alsvin. In Phillipines, base variant of Yaris (1329 cc engine) with 6 airbags but no push start button costs 973,000. Rest of features are same as our premium PKDM Yaris.
On other hand, platinum Alsvin in Phillipines that has other similar specs as PKDM Alsvin but with added features of hill hold assist and electronic stability program (which are missing in PKDM Alsvin) costs only 679,000 . Also Changan offers 150,000 km/ 5 years warranty there. It is better to be looted by a reputed brand instead of an unknown Chinese brand, which is even a bigger looter.

[Massive_One]

It is better to be looted by a reputed brand instead of an unknown Chinese brand, which is even a bigger looter.

if you don't know a certain brand doesn't mean it's unknown : )

[Massive_One]

Also Changan offers 150,000 km/ 5 years warranty there.

indeed, this also made me disappointed. I was also expecting international warranty standards from Changan. Proton takes the lead in this regard as they are offering their international standard warranty, followed by KIA and Hyundai

[wasiqshahab94]

There is no yaris sedan in Philippines. They call it Vios and it starts at 671,000 pesos.

The yaris you are referring to is the hatchback version which is priced higher because it is a better equipped CVT-only version.

[mrkt123]

You are right. My mistake. I was only Yaris name and features. I should instead have looked at Vios features and prices. So thats why changan kept introductory price of 639000 for premium version of Alsvin in Phillipines. To keep it priced below base version of Vios.

[nightsurfer]

I have al Alto with 4k on Odo meter and some bearing in the engine bay already started making noise.
My friend has a 1.8 Grande, whose AC stopped working under 10k kms.

Just how many v2 owners have you been in touch with? Not many as its evident.

Sorry but your comment is not backed by facts.

[nightsurfer]

And how will the prove themselves when no one will buy the product? Unless you have a magic wand, this is a chicken and egg situation. By your logic, no one should be trusted unless they prove themselves and you should let anyone prove themselves because they haven't been in market for x,y and z years.

[an_average_car_user]

And how will the prove themselves when no one will buy the product? Unless you have a magic wand, this is a chicken and egg situation. By your logic, no one should be trusted unless they prove themselves and you should let anyone prove themselves because they haven't been in market for x,y and z years.

Simple answer, it doesn't have to be our market. Infact our market is not a good test. There are other markets where cars have to meet certain standard to be even allowed on the road. I rate MG quite high because it has proven itself in multiple countries. What has Changan to show for itself?

Again, I am not saying don't buy. I am saying wait for 1yr, let its pros and cons come out. Then, if it proves itself, I myself will not hesitate to buy one if I am looking for a car at that time and have the budget.

Also I plan to do the test-drive too. But at this time, I, in good conscience, cannot recommend anyone to buy this car.

[shapeesh]

they prove themselves by placing it in a lower price bracket, like the rest of the world they are not competing with Yaris on Price, their bigger sedan with many more frills "eado" is being sold at Yaris Price. The customers than have a choice to either buy the estab brand which is at a higher price, or go "hail Marry" and get a bigger car in the same amouint or buy a same category cheaper car. That is how companies prove themselves.

1. New mazda 6 was launched in KSA 2014, its price was kept 10k Riyal below standard Camry,I remember its price as they promoted it ever where at 67k SAR whilke standard camry was 75k SAR. now Mazda was still a known brand but with the zoom they lost their market, came back with the new model and priced that low. People bought it as it was cheaper and now you see mazdas every where. NOW Mazda prices are equal or more than their toyota counterparts.

[speedster_101]

Pakwheels first review of CKD by coming Tuesday..

Nothing yet?

[burhanahmed1]

Nothing yet?

PakWheels sub sey pehley ki dor ma nahi parta

[Massive_One]

PakWheels sub sey pehley ki dor ma nahi parta

kabhi kabhi to Pakwheels sab k baad ki dor main hota hai : )

[fazalwahab11375]

Bhai, this is what t I was told. Mr. FARHAN was in Karachi with the vehicle and i actually asked him few questions about the CKD vehicle he was reviewing. I will update you guys soon . The CKD pictures were shared right away while shoot was ongoing. It's a first overview video.

[umairalizafar]

I am not sure why some people keep on talking about the price of Alsvin. You don't like the price, don't buy it. You gave your point, I guess it was taken. I don't know why you have to say that again and again after every 10 posts. Let the car come to the road, let's decide then. Its not like we have a super competitive market. The reality here is that a decent sedan with decent support and decent price is missing. Yaris is a good car at a good price, but the City is outdated and the Ciaz is almost discontinued due to PakSuzuki's lack of interest, so there is practically only one choice in that category. It would be exciting to see Hyundai, Kia, Changan and Proton fill up the different segments and give us more choices.

To be honest, I am not a potential buyer of Alsvin at this point. I own 2 Toyotas, and am not thinking of replacing them anytime soon, but I feel this constant speculative criticism is a little too much. Yes, the company mishandled the price reveal, the bookings and the information management, but it is too early to say that this car is a bad choice. I would like Changan to compete well with the other players, so that in the future if I am looking to buy a car, I can get better value due to the competition. But if we fail the car before it gets on the roads, we will be the ultimate losers. Especially, I would like to them to export cars from Pakistan, something the other players didn't try to do. This will fare better for us in the longer run. Auto manufacturers worldwide started from assembling, JVs and moving on to their own development. Currently, the big 3 have failed to innovate and move beyond assembling, I wish luck to the newer players in this regard and hope that they outclass the big 3 in this regard.

[shapeesh]

What has my gripe on pricing to do with the failure of car? I nevr said it's a bad car. I said it's priced piss poor. And I say it when ever someone tries to justify this loot.
All I say is, and to you as well, that now if the chinos are looting us with exceptional price hikes and if you are fine with it, than stop raising your fingers at the current players. If you are fine with it than good for you.
If you have something to share abt why their price is 45 percent higher as compared to other players than plz by all means share it. But as far as I see you want to give them a sympathy pass cuz they are "new" players.
Don't blame one player and sympathize with the other on the same issue in the same breath.
What will fare well in long run? Every new company coming will have their prices hicked cuz alsvin was ridiculously high priced and "we" were fine with it?

[pwuser159259702854]

My opinion is that we should not judge a car only by seeing if car has a higher price then it’s abroad counterpart almost all the cars sold in Pakistan are overpriced compared to abroad market
I don’t think alsvin is bad or good the thing is first let the car be displayed in Ckd condition and see how it performs before making a statement

[faakhir19]

PakWheels CKD Alsvin review out

[shapeesh]

Good review on Pakwheels, 0-60 seems fine too.
Good to know that imitation carbon fiber is a real material

[fazalwahab11375]

rear fog lamp should be on right side as we discussed earlier . yes we are following European standard as far as single fog lamp but its orientation is for LHD .