@genius83
Sir, let me add a few things you missed. This is only for comparison between the two situations as you along with many others seem to think the German GP result was something like Austria.
Austria was round 6 of the championship that year. Up to that point, Schumacher had won every race except Malaysia, where he finished third i.e. five races, 4 wins for Schumacher and a third place. Incidentally-that third place was also going to be his worst result of the season. Anyway, Schumacher won 11 races that year, a record at that time, won the driver's title with 6 races to go, beating team mate Barrichello by 67 points. The championship was an internal fight.
I am not going into the details of right or wrong BUT how is that situation even remotely similar to the one we had last week in Germany? Is this year's world championship an internal Ferrari fight between their two drivers? Is Ferrari leading the championship comfortably as it was back in 2002? Is their car as superior to the one in 2002? Was the field as competitive as it today? Wasn't the gap between finishing first and second just two points? Unlike today when the gap is 7 points. On that day in Austria, the faster driver lost. In Germany, the faster driver won. Therefore, i can't see anything that is similar to Austria except the manner in which the orders were carried out. They were done in a very blatant manner and for that some one will have to pay within the team especially if Ferrari gets a bigger fine or has points deducted.
Also you are forgetting, France 08' where Kimi has to back off because of exhaust trouble to give Massa the lead
It was a broken exhaust. The thing was dangling from his car and he was in danger of being black flagged. How can that count as team orders? He had a problem which was slowing him down and he had to back off.
Probability wise, HRT, Lotus and Virgin have scored 0 in 11 races so the chances of them scoring any in the remaining races are 0 too. So if any one is considering them to win the title is living in another world.
For me, anyone who thinks Massa has any chance, any slim hope of winning the title this year and should therefore be allowed to finish ahead of his team mate, is pretty much doing the same as thinking HRT, Virgin or Lotus can win the title.
Ferrari let him finish ahead of Alonso in the early part of the season, when clearly Alonso was the quicker driver. But now it's crunch time.
Any orders team give are team orders, like to tell drivers to hold station and don't crash into each other
I am not against telling drivers to hold position. You let them race to a certain extent and when all stops are over and there is little or nothing to choose between them, provided the championship is not being affected either, they should hold position. It varies from race to race and cannot be generalized. It can change from race to race. Even taking someone's wing and giving it to another driver in the team are team orders too:-#
It is also funny that you guys were happy that Mark has shown what kind of situation he is facing at RedBull but not liking the fact that Massa and Rob Smedley has shown what situation they are facing in Ferrari. Why double standard????
Is there any similarity between the two situations?:S Sorry, i am a little sleep deprived again, so i might be missing something but are the two Red Bull drivers not on equal points right now? I thought they were both fighting for the title or at least Horner would have us believe that both his drivers are fighting for the title. At Ferrari, is Massa on the same points as Alonso? On sheer pace, without any interference and on sheer merit and speed, how many times this year has Massa out qualified and out raced Alonso?
At Red Bull, both drivers are neck and neck and what happened at Red Bull, the front wing issue was a PR disaster which was off the scale. I am not one for statistics. They are misleading most of the time, but, is there any similarity between Alonso and Vettel? Top drivers, unless they are paired with someone equally talented, don't get blown away week after week by their team mate, who at best can be described as a journeyman.
When Massa resigned this year, did he not know what he was up against? Has Massa's head injury affected him so much that he forgot Ferrari paid Raikkonen millions to make way for Alonso? Why would Ferrari do that? because they think Alonso looks better in red color than Raikkonen? If Massa is that naive to think Ferrari paid a crazy amount of money to get this guy and they would not back him? If so, then his head injury has affected him more than we know.
The rule 39.1 clearly prohibit use of team orders and there is no distinction at all when to use or when not to use. But in F1 teams are used to go around the rules with clever thinking, Ferrari should have did that in the only pitstop or even should have called Massa for a second pitstop, and even if they want to go with a blatant order it should be give by Stefano Domenicialli and not by Rob Smedley.
If rule 39.1 makes no distinction than there is no justification for any of the incidents, whether first race or last race, right? A rule is a rule and should be implemented.
I have been saying even before this race that Ferrari needs someone else to control the team. Stefano Domenicalli cannot handle it. Yes, he should have been the one to give the orders to Massa and without the melodramatics of Rob Smedley. What's more, all this stuff should have been made clear to Massa before the race start.
I want to know one thing do you think in any of the future races Alonso would give the lead back to Massa if ever the situation comes
No. Maybe if the title is out of reach ad he is leading a Ferrari 1-2 maybe, just maybe but I don't see it happening.
P. S. Eddie the drug dealer, we are not fighting or even arguing. Let's just say we are exchanging notes:D