Hyundai Elantra; Dedicated Discussion, Owner/ Fan Club Thread

[Thinking]

well dear than if you are considering above mentioned points i say suzuki dabba is even better than civic in this regard. since its tried and tested for last 35 years and every road side mechanic is its 3S including parts availability.

come on guys civic is coming with a 17 years old engine with 0 or less low end torque. (By the way i have civic too)

Civic has impractical seats and we must admit otherwise its a very good looking car. but regarding its comfort and reliability the civic topics are full of issues.

we are stuck with resale but with growing sales of elantra, it is imperative that it will have its market standing in days to come as well.

we just need to admit that its a competitor and give it a fair chance.

[Thinking]

none of these cars is meant for 0-100, these are normal mid sized sedans for a common person not racers. we Pakistani's (i seriously dont know why) consider civic as a sports car which it is not (m sure of that).

the criteria of choosing a good vehicle is the torque delivery and ease of driving it in normal driving conditions and in both these areas Elantra is either better or equal. (Civic has very bad low end torque by the way and offer very harsh ride quality for no good reason).

Just open your hearts to the new entrant.

if we look closely with no bias, it surely does qualify as a worthy competitor to the other 2.

[Thinking]

regarding extra grunt, its usually only visible at the top speed coz actually if you compare 1.6 and 1.8 corolla drive u wouldn't feel a 15 HP deficit that 1.6 has. that is coz these cars are tuned to not disclose the short comings in normal driving and these are not racecars so driving them fast doesnt do justice with them either.

rest is personal decision but m hopeful that we wont be able to rule out elantra in days to come (like it happened to liana or ciaz).

ALLAH TALLAH BEHTER KERAIN GAY IN SHA ALLAH

[khurem]

well dear than if you are considering above mentioned points i say suzuki dabba is even better than civic in this regard.

How so? Maybe you've just read point 5, 7 and 8, but in all others, that comparison is silly.

[danyalag6]

You were the one who said that elantra has a top speed of this much, meanwhile I'm saying that it's bigger engine has no torque advantage over the smaller 1.8 in Grande. The 0-100 figures I quoted was just an analogy to explain my point, I don't care what the figures are, but a car should feel like it has a 2 liter engine in everyday driving, which Elantra doesn't.
Normal civic may not have low end torque, but turbo definitely has a lot more, and yes, you can easily feel the difference between 1.6 or 1.8 corolla, or 1.3 city and 1.5 city; well at least I can. And when you 'feel' the difference, you are not actually feeling the hp difference, but rather the torque difference of a larger engine, and you can easily notice a 10-20 Nm torque difference, especially if the torque curve is tuned properly.
I'm not saying that elantra is a bad car, but it is most definitely not superior to the civic, even with all its shortcomings. You say that Civic has harsh ride quality, well honestly speaking its not that harsh(It's a matter of preference so lets agree to disagree), and like I said its rear suspension setup ALONE makes it a better car. Look up multi-link vs torsion beam and then you will understand, just because a suspension is softer doesn't mean its better(but this is typical Pakistani mentality.)

[fastian04]

Bhai i drove it and anyone who has drive it .. grande feels the most responsive than elantra then oriel1.8. Elantra is not selling well for a reason. Park them side by side and then see which feels expensive to buy with the overall feature set and interior sitting etc. 2000cc is great but the old transmission has its power losses. Why u can’t auto up the window? Why u cant see mirror buttons at night? Why u can't play videos even in parked car? Its 4 million afterall

[SpeedDemon]

I have a feeling that the Pakistani auto market has taken a turn for the worse! I do not think it is a priority by any means for any big name auto brand.

Maybe that is why we are getting a generation old car. Honda has done the same with City and I don't see the new Civic or Corolla coming any time soon!. They may be too expensive to launch and people will start considering more cross-overs than sedans!

Suzuki is still on a 10+ year old swift.

Now as a consumer, we must be very realistic about the choices we have. They are all over-priced and low value cars. Only Proton offers reasonable pricing but no cars are available so that is a different case altogether.

Unless the consumer literally boycotts car buying on a large scale, I don't see this changing! Every new entrant will try and benefit from the market trend and sell overpriced stuff (Changan and Haval for example).

The new auto policy is dumb witted. It does not enforce anything. Automobiles are now very carefully judged on safety and emissions as well as cost of ownership in the world. Why not here? Auto policies should have been developed by consulting the environment agency, energy ministry and others. It is a holistic approach and not a standalone job.

But on a global scale, new car prices have all risen and cost of ownership has also gone up. So indeed we are living in difficult times but the only difference is that elsewhere it is easier to buy a car due to less duties and attractive financing / leasing / subscription options.

One should buy a car because one LIKES IT... But in Pakistan that is a luxury many people cannot afford!

Cheers.

[zeeshan_awan77]

Can any member help to source these rims in Pakistan

[Thinking]

very nice rims but not available in pakistan

[uzairfan]

Anybody has any idea regarding the 1.6 variant?

[pwuser150304637792]

Toyota and Honda have been operating in Pakistan form ore than 30 years and thanks to all of us they now have a good duopoly in sedan segment.So to compare Hyundai nishat with honda/toyota is actually unfair. The only question i ask is grande and civic both have this shape from 2014/15 onwards and if after 7 years people still want to buy the same pathetic metal sheets with 4 tyres then yes sir Elantra is not made for you people. Elantra has its own cons and every car has but the audacity of people to compare a zero metre faulty civics with an elantra is just something you find in pakistan Elantra is going to be a hit and you all will pay extra bucks to get your hands on it because this is how all pakistani people buy cars. the showroom dealers creates artificial inflation of the car just to show the end consumer that this car is a hit and people are running with cash bags to get hands on and then everyone jumps on the bandwagon and a pathetic civic like car goes up to 47 lacs where as the exfactory price is only 39 lacs.

[abdullahasifbajwa786]

Nope... They imported some units but they have no interest in launching it to the market

[khurem]

What a sentimental paragraph for a 1st post on PW! Welcome.

The only question i ask is grande and civic both have this shape from 2014/15 onwards and if after 7 years people still want to buy the same pathetic metal sheets with 4 tyres then yes sir Elantra is not made for you people.

So Elantra has this shape which they introduced in Pakistan since when?
Is it the latest shape which is globally available or an older version is introduced against the latest models of Civic and Grande?

Also, how Elantra is any different from pathetic metal sheet with 4 tyres found on Civic and Grande?

but the audacity of people to compare a zero metre faulty civics with an elantra is just something you find in pakistan

Yeah, sorry you seem really hurt on our audacity to compare a zero meter faulty Civic with Elantra. How is it globally, sir? Elantra isn't compared with Civic or Grande and its price or market is higher than Civic? Will be very interested to know your response on this.

Elantra is going to be a hit and you all will pay extra bucks to get your hands on it because this is how all pakistani people buy cars. the showroom dealers creates artificial inflation of the car just to show the end consumer that this car is a hit and people are running with cash bags to get hands on and then everyone jumps on the bandwagon and a pathetic civic like car goes up to 47 lacs where as the exfactory price is only 39 lacs.

Not making any sense. 1st part of that monologue is a claim that Elantra will be a hit and the reasons given afterwards were how a pathetic Civic price goes up from 39 to 47. Or are you saying showroom dealers seem to be biased in favor of Civic and are against Elantra / Hyundai Management / Nishat and is this the reason it's not a hit currently??

[fastian04]

It will not be launched.. confirmed

[fastian04]

U will not get any logical answer. Hyundai cant even justify their poor launch and marketing themselves, so now early buyers will do it till the time they have it. Their confidence to give wrong profile tyre alone ruined a lot of potential customers. It will sell better as others are very short in supply but the car when seen in person raises lot of questions to finalize a decision. Yes we live in Pakistan and market acceptance is super important here, so anyone giving uk market logics here needs to give it a second thought.

[fastian04]

Metal sheets are imported and same as well. Yakeen na aye to uk ja ker metal test kerwa lain. Local nhn bntaa ye sab

[fastian04]

Awesome but ye milnay nhn pakistanis ko

[itshamzayo]

Had a dream recently how elantra got discounted down to 3.6million. That is the only way it may get some success. Otherwise it has nothing special to offer for the same price as its competitors. And most of our locals couldn't care less about bigger engines and cvt unreliability.

Elantra is the best car to be slot into the price gap of city/civic and yaris/corolla. It sits in that price gap throughout the world. Recently saw how in india elantra lower models were being compared with city's upper models. Elantra also really needs a base model 1.6 for the price of city aspire here. Otherwise I see another Ciaz in the making. That might also be a good option for some of us as the used values will tank, similar to the ciaz in a couple years and will finally become a great buy.

[Thinking]

no it wont tank that's for sure.

at the moment in actuality and on paper both, it is better value than corolla and civic.

u may continue calling it ciaz but ciaz actually had quite a lot of short comings.

Elantra is new, its a head turner and has more options, better engine, better gear box, better reliability, better warranty, much much better built quality. and all these points are valid in comparison of corolla and civic both.

Ciaz never had any edge on any of the local cars, it was a compromise besides it was a B segment car and not a C segment.

rest is upto everyone's personal choice. do we really think dabba is a good car, however it has always been a best seller in our country. so wait and see.

Elantra will ace the chase IN SHA ALLAH

[SpeedDemon]

The Suzuki Ciaz is a wonderful car. Excellent use of space, good fuel economy, a quiet and comfortable ride and good build quality.

The problem was not Ciaz but P.Suzuki itself.

Poor market research, wrong product specifications, overpriced, underspecced and a complete lack of interest to make it successful were the main issues.

If you can use a product to show that its no good, then the consumer has no further expectations and continues to buy the rest of the crap that you sell. Its no hard work and lots of profits (looks good in the books) just continuing to sell the rest of what you already sell. So bring in a new car, make everything wrong about it, and the consumer will be just fine with accepting that the Mehran is the best they can get from this company.

Then the consumer falls into the trap the company has set for them. Apple did this with their first BUDGET new Iphone (it was called SE if I am not wrong). The whole world rejected it and started buying the much more expensive versions (hence more profit for Apple). The cheap version was just a re-skinned and badly priced iphone from an older generation with poor specs as per that year's competition (I hope I can show you the similarity of this marketing gimmick). Hence not much cost to them at all and they were able to sway the consumer towards other models as if they had made a BAD budget phone and screwed up.

The question now is whether Hyundai is doing the same or do they have some other issues? That is to be judged carefully and may decide the fate of the vehicle and the consumers that buy them.

I wish all Elantra owners safe, happy and trouble free motoring, and pray for the day we can buy cars just because we like them and not have to worry about anything else!

Cheers.