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    Default It's Vezel time, AlhamdoLillah.

    Presenting " HAWKZEL "
    Salam fellow PW's, Bought Honda Vezel Hybrid few days back. Landing in lahore in January InshAllah . Upgraded from 9th gen civic. Obviously, had to do a lot a of survey and research before finally being convinced that it was the best option to go for in 3-3.5 Million range category . Pics are from the auction house. Any questions regarding the car, feel free to ask. Main specs are :
    Honda Vezel Hybrid 2014 Base Model1.5 L Honda Earth Dreams Technology
    Sports Hybrid 7-Speed Intelligent Dual Clutch Transmission (I-DCT) with Paddle shifters
    Push start, Multimedia leather steering, Cruise control
    Touch panel climate control 6 Airbags
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    Original Navi with USB and HDMI inputs
    Rear LED lights ( X and Z trims have front LED lights as well )
    Leather Interior
    Honda smart key entry system Immobilizer
    Auto Brake Hold, Electronic Park Hold, Vehicle Stability Assist, Reactive Force Pedal and Sports Mode options
    Total Horsepower 152 (engine + Motor) , Vehicle weight only 1270 Kg so great weight to power ratio
    Its 5A grade , 7200km driven, 2014 manufacturedIts VEZEL time !!!  AlhamdoLillah -1511805Its VEZEL time !!!  AlhamdoLillah -1511806Its VEZEL time !!!  AlhamdoLillah -1511807The Buildup - Page 1-16
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    Vezel in AJK (courtesy Mr. Mian Saeed) - Page 82,83
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    Got my vezel serviced and oil changed 2nd time. There is a protective plate underneath. Service guy insists using oil suction machine and not removing plate. Says plate has 8 screws and not meant to remove for oil drain nut. Any idea if it should be removed or machine is equally good

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    Pics of the plate
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    It does not make sense to not remove. I got changed oil and they easily remove sheet in about two mints and after changing oil re fit same. Without removing how will you change the oil filter secondly the suction machine do let some liquid inside the engine that mixed up with new lube oil and question its quality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by engineerhse View Post
    It does not make sense to not remove. I got changed oil and they easily remove sheet in about two mints and after changing oil re fit same. Without removing how will you change the oil filter secondly the suction machine do let some liquid inside the engine that mixed up with new lube oil and question its quality.
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    Thanks Mr. Zafer for the clarification. Just as i thought. Please inform how can the plate be removed when there is an iron channel under the car (Hydraulic Jack) Or it has be taken off on a ramp on the ground and then to be lifted up on the Hydraulic Jack. Oil filter can be changed from the top bonnet side. To me, it also makes a lot of sense draining it from under but i wonder if its mentioned anywhere in the manual. The service guy says he has a strong feeling they would have given a clip or something i/o screws on the plate if they wanted it to be opened again and again for oil drain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carman1 View Post
    Thanks Mr. Zafer for the clarification. Just as i thought. Please inform how can the plate be removed when there is an iron channel under the car (Hydraulic Jack) Or it has be taken off on a ramp on the ground and then to be lifted up on the Hydraulic Jack. Oil filter can be changed from the top bonnet side. To me, it also makes a lot of sense draining it from under but i wonder if its mentioned anywhere in the manual. The service guy says he has a strong feeling they would have given a clip or something i/o screws on the plate if they wanted it to be opened again and again for oil drain.
    Don't lift the car with this kind of a mechanism. It's been emphasised in the car's owner manual to only lift the car up at the designated 4 points near to wheels. So i for one would advice you to never lift the car from the middle, or anywhere other than the 4 spots.
    The shield is secured with bolts and plastic clips. Which merely takes a couple of minutes to remove.

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    Thanks. I guess have to look for a new service place with that kind of Jack

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    Default It's Vezel time, AlhamdoLillah.

    Quote Originally Posted by carman1 View Post
    Thanks. I guess have to look for a new service place with that kind of Jack
    Draining from top has no apparent disadvantages. You can remove the plate it's simple to do so but sucking form top is better. No fluid mixes or damages the quality of oil and you get more and precise fluid out of t which can be measured.

    I have a suction machine and air compressor at home too and I can vouch that try draining from the drain bolt and then after closing it connect a suction machine it will still suck more oil out of it which would ordinary take hours to drain from the bolt

    Plus when you open the drain bolt it's standard practise to replace the washer with a new copper crush washer and not over tighten. These things are easily looked by most oil change shops( don't expect torque wrenches) so suction method is actually the safest and best method.

    All Mercedes and BMW cars have these plates and its routine to only suck from top.
    You can see a oil change of any Mercedes at Shahnawaz, they only use the suction method.


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    Salam Everyone,

    I got my Vezel few weeks ago only 4 km driven and now it is 2000Km. When should I go for the first service (oil change etc.) and which grade of oil is recommended for Vezel in Pakistan. Also please advice a good service statation having 4 points jacks in Lahore where I can get my car serviced. thanks a lot. Omer

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    Bhatti sb. You got a valid point here too. But don't you feel that gravitational force drains out most of the residue and particles that sit on the base of the oil pan. Where as a suction pipe would only suck the area where the tip of the pipe would touch. I feel if we compare both suction is faster, more secure and faster. But drains only advantage is flow of bottom particles. Best is to get both oil samplers tested for particles in a lab.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carman1 View Post
    Bhatti sb. You got a valid point here too. But don't you feel that gravitational force drains out most of the residue and particles that sit on the base of the oil pan. Where as a suction pipe would only suck the area where the tip of the pipe would touch. I feel if we compare both suction is faster, more secure and faster. But drains only advantage is flow of bottom particles. Best is to get both oil samplers tested for particles in a lab.
    Gravity takes time to work eventually you may get more out but that will be after a long time, plus remember when you are going to oil change shop your car is still very warm, its not like its been sitting for a day that all oil will be contained in the pan, so suction using compressed air has a better chance of getting more out in a reasonable time period. particles are contained within the body of oil , the ones on the bottom of the pan are only in the case when person has abused the oil change interval or not using a good synthethic oil, and anyway in any case a little oil remaining does not cause any issue unless you are really abusing your oil change times and using non synthetic. ill worry more about over tightening or not using new copper washers which may reduce longevity or possibly cause a leak at a inconvenient time or even damaging the fragile looking bolts of the shields as is common by how much physical force i have seen them use.


    do a experiment yourself next time, note the quantity of oil sucked in once change, next time drain using the bolt and collect the used oil and measure it youll have a answer. i do top up changes on my Mercedes and Altis and get more out using sucking, i once got less out on a Pajero mini so it also depend on the engine and dipstick design. though apart from Mercedes in both you still have to go down for oil filter change.

    you have both views you can decide whichever method suits you best, further technical discussion will probably not appropriate for this particular thread :-)
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    When should I change oil filter? If oil filter needs to be replaced with every oil change, then whats the point of sucking oil when you've to open bottom plate for oil filter change?

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    Oil filter can be easily changed from top

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    Quote Originally Posted by ofarooq001 View Post
    Salam Everyone,

    I got my Vezel few weeks ago only 4 km driven and now it is 2000Km. When should I go for the first service (oil change etc.) and which grade of oil is recommended for Vezel in Pakistan. Also please advice a good service statation having 4 points jacks in Lahore where I can get my car serviced. thanks a lot. Omer
    You should get the oil and oil filter changed right away, If it hasn't been changed yet.
    Recommended oils viscosities, 5w20 or 5w30, API SN
    As for the 4 point jack, it's available here at Shell, DHA phase 1 Masjid chowk.

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    Isn't it wise to purchase and change oil from Honda service center considering how market is flooded with fake oil?

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    any 4WD version in vezel ??

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    Which android navigation is best for vezel


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    Quote Originally Posted by ehtesham969 View Post
    Which android navigation is best for vezel


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    Quote Originally Posted by chusmankhalid View Post
    any 4WD version in vezel ??

    All Wheel Drive (AWD) variant is there and its chassis starts with RU4.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nabs View Post
    Isn't it wise to purchase and change oil from Honda service center considering how market is flooded with fake oil?
    Honda Atlas uses total quartz which is locally packaged. Better to use a fully synthetic known international brand.
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    I heard that Atlas HR-V is flopped!


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