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    Default Volkswagen Club of Pakistan (VWCOP)

    Lets all contribute pics and memories to this timeless classic that has faithfully served generations. It is my 1st car memory and my dad who is a Beetle enthusiast at one time had a total of 4 beetles in our garage Here's a little history of this miraculous German wonder: 'The history of the Beetle really goes back to pre 2nd world war Germany when Ferdinand Porsche had a vision of a mass produced vehicle that was affordable to the average German, an idea that was shared with the young Adolf Hitler who himself could not drive, but was a car fanatic. Hitler was apparently influenced by the achievements of Henry Ford and his production lines - reading Ford's biography while in prison during 1923. Porsche had previously worked on some other small cars that used many elements later to be included in the Beetle. The Type 32 prototype NSU of 1934 was an air-cooled rear engined four cylinder horizontally opposed powered car that used torsion bar suspension and featured beetle-like styling.' --- source - Google.co.uk lets keep the posts rolling - add pics of bugs you've owned or own! I'll add my dad's bug family pics as well ... I guess he fell in love with this oddly shaped car after he drove it down to Pakistan from Germany!!!! .. stories of that wonderous journey keep us entertained whenever our family gets together


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    Okay , so then please be specific as which tire should I buy ? Should I buy them in group or should I buy seperate for front and rear. and dont forget the spare.
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    Smaller tires means lesser torque required to turn them therefore lesser stress on the engine and more fuel economy overall, however smaller tires reduce top speed by as much as 20kmph depending on your top speed and difference in tire size of course, wouldnt affect your beetle much at all.
    Larger tires give you a better ride but of course you could achieve the same thing with smaller rims with tires of the same thickness.
    Larger tires could also move your center of gravity higher (this can be scary in a beetle) which may make your care more likely to fall on its side in a tight turn..
    everyone must've seen a suzuki crapbolan flip over!

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    Quote Originally Posted by muj_talpur View Post
    Okay , so then please be specific as which tire should I buy ? Should I buy them in group or should I buy seperate for front and rear. and dont forget the spare.
    I'd there us no other choice out there then go for 175s up front and 195s on the rear (we're talking about eurostars here only)

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    Larger tires could also move your center of gravity higher (this can be scary in a beetle) which may make your care more likely to fall on its side in a tight turn..
    everyone must've seen a suzuki crapbolan flip over!
    Due to the way a beetle suspension is set up it's nearly impossible to flip one. They'll understeer and prevent a flip.
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    hehehehe mine over steers a LOT! it's so fun and wayward! like driving a boat on the road! more like a hovercraft but yeah it understeers too.
    still I feel like it could flip.
    I understand the new GT tires (6 ply tires) give you an amazing ride. You can barely feel the cats eyes! Is this true?

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    Default Wheel Tuck (normally known as 'flipping over') in an Early Beetle (Pre-66) & its Cure

    Quote Originally Posted by Storm View Post
    Due to the way a beetle suspension is set up it's nearly impossible to flip one. They'll understeer and prevent a flip.
    Wheel tuck (flipping over) in Swing Axle early bugs (pre 66) is a reality. We already have had a thorough discussion on this on my thread, on page 31 onwards. ( https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...31#post2735561 )

    Thereby, we also have discussed Z-bars and Camber Compensators to keep early bugs from wheel tuck (flipping over).

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    Quote Originally Posted by reezvaan View Post
    Wheel tuck (flipping over) in Swing Axle early bugs (pre 66) is a reality. We already have had a thorough discussion on this on my thread, on page 31 onwards. ( https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...31#post2735561 )

    Thereby, we also have discussed Z-bars and Camber Compensators to keep early bugs from wheel tuck (flipping over).
    Wheel tuck becomes a reality only after modification or if you drive like a lunatic, either way if the car flips then most likely you deserved it. :p

    Z bars and camber compensators are awesome ideas but honestly we shouldn't be pushing our bed to a point where we'd need them.
    1. A car is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it, 2. Resale wont save your life in an accident, 3. Genius has limits, stupidity has none, 4. Never argue with an idiot, they will bring you down to their level & beat you with experience, 5. Growing old beats the alternative -- dying young! 6. انّا للہ و انّا الیہ راجعون

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    Quote Originally Posted by Storm View Post
    Wheel tuck becomes a reality only after modification or if you drive like a lunatic, either way if the car flips then most likely you deserved it. :p

    Z bars and camber compensators are awesome ideas but honestly we shouldn't be pushing our bed to a point where we'd need them.
    Total stock (non-modified) suspension on early bugs (specifically pre-66) had the probability of wheel tuck and the flaw was known/realized by VW and was under research to be eliminated ever since 61/62.

    Therefore, as first real measure (a stock modification), VW undertook suspension modification on 66s, and chose to add Z-bars (search Z-bars on rear axles on VWs anywhere, either on google/the samba for more details). Before that there were no such measures on the swing axles and therefore there was probability of wheel tuck specially when driving at high speeds on curves and steep inclinations.

    However later bugs are saved from this curse and introduction of IRS was the real fix that VW could offer to its customers as wheel tuck eliminator.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raheeljessa View Post
    hehehehe mine over steers a LOT! it's so fun and wayward! like driving a boat on the road! more like a hovercraft but yeah it understeers too.
    still I feel like it could flip.
    I understand the new GT tires (6 ply tires) give you an amazing ride. You can barely feel the cats eyes! Is this true?
    Sounds like shiney roads and old tyres to me. Which tyres are refering to when you said GT?

    Quote Originally Posted by reezvaan View Post
    Total stock (non-modified) suspension on early bugs (specifically pre-66) had the probability of wheel tuck and the flaw was known/realized by VW and was under research to be eliminated ever since 61/62.

    Therefore, as first real measure (a stock modification), VW undertook suspension modification on 66s, and chose to add Z-bars (search Z-bars on rear axles on VWs anywhere, either on google/the samba for more details). Before that there were no such measures on the swing axles and therefore there was probability of wheel tuck specially when driving at high speeds on curves and steep inclinations.

    However later bugs are saved from this curse and introduction of IRS was the real fix that VW could offer to its customers as wheel tuck eliminator.
    This is what happens when the car had more power than the chassis can handle. Granted the pre 66 stuff isn't my forte so I can understand my mistake but the conversation which i was taking part with earlier was about 1303s so for some reason I was stuck in IRS mode,.... D'OH!
    1. A car is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it, 2. Resale wont save your life in an accident, 3. Genius has limits, stupidity has none, 4. Never argue with an idiot, they will bring you down to their level & beat you with experience, 5. Growing old beats the alternative -- dying young! 6. انّا للہ و انّا الیہ راجعون

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    Quote Originally Posted by raheeljessa View Post
    hehehehe mine over steers a LOT! it's so fun and wayward! like driving a boat on the road! more like a hovercraft but yeah it understeers too.
    still I feel like it could flip.
    Yea!! they understeer and then oversteer and spin out straight into a concrete divider but refuse to flip ...or even lift a wheel!!:O

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    Quote Originally Posted by rebel View Post
    Yea!! they understeer and then oversteer and spin out straight into a concrete divider but refuse to flip ...or even lift a wheel!!:O
    Oh it drifts when you put power and understeers when you dont but the opposite side DOES lift when you get some grippy tarmac! scary stuff!
    It happened the first time i drove the bug cos I had no idea! but being a regular drifter It was awesome fun! decided not to try it again though, may damage the axle right?

    GT tire is a new korean tire (i'm told) its 4 or 6 ply and is really heavy but gives a very smooth ride!

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    ya, hitting dividers not a good idea.......and/or roundabouts
    http://groups.google.com.pk/group/vwcop

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    Quote Originally Posted by reezvaan View Post
    Total stock (non-modified) suspension on early bugs (specifically pre-66) had the probability of wheel tuck and the flaw was known/realized by VW and was under research to be eliminated ever since 61/62.

    Therefore, as first real measure (a stock modification), VW undertook suspension modification on 66s, and chose to add Z-bars (search Z-bars on rear axles on VWs anywhere, either on google/the samba for more details). Before that there were no such measures on the swing axles and therefore there was probability of wheel tuck specially when driving at high speeds on curves and steep inclinations.

    However later bugs are saved from this curse and introduction of IRS was the real fix that VW could offer to its customers as wheel tuck eliminator.
    Here is a pretty handy discussion thread on what I have been referring to over the samba forums:
    TheSamba.com :: View topic - Z-bar vs. Camber Convertor vs. sway bar

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    Quote Originally Posted by mohsinikram View Post
    the above pics were taken five years ago....current ones are as follows...
    Volkswagen Club of Pakistan (VWCOP) - 290133
    Do I see an LPG Cylinder up in there or is it something else? If its an LPG Cylinder, it means she has been off road for under a decade and that is interesting little fact that she has been strolling KHI roads not too long ago. Beside this fact being interesting, it could be a nightmare too at the same time, for the fact that 1500cc motor that has been running on the LPG (and who knows how long & how many miles) you might have shocking news waiting for you inside when you re-do the motor. I dont think there would be any juice left in the motor so better make up your mind.

    B/w @mohsinikram, what is the current status on de-rusting this beauty?

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    what a place to put the cylinder, its like cooking gas or a bomb...

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    Fun thing, interesting thought and pretty handy source for enhanced VW logo recreation.

    Recreated-Vintage VW Logo Specification Poster For Download | your creative logo designer

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    Quote Originally Posted by reezvaan View Post
    Here is a pretty handy discussion thread on what I have been referring to over the samba forums:
    TheSamba.com :: View topic - Z-bar vs. Camber Convertor vs. sway bar
    Still so much to learn!

    Which models came with the Z-bar? Mine is a standard '69 but it does not have one. Is it supposed to?

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    Quote Originally Posted by haywirehiatus View Post
    Which models came with the Z-bar? Mine is a standard '69 but it does not have one. Is it supposed to?
    66 & 67. No your 69 Std. is not supposed to have the Z-bars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by haywirehiatus View Post
    Which models came with the Z-bar? Mine is a standard '69 but it does not have one. Is it supposed to?
    Had it been a US spec it'd be running IRS
    1. A car is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it, 2. Resale wont save your life in an accident, 3. Genius has limits, stupidity has none, 4. Never argue with an idiot, they will bring you down to their level & beat you with experience, 5. Growing old beats the alternative -- dying young! 6. انّا للہ و انّا الیہ راجعون

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    Quote Originally Posted by haywirehiatus View Post
    Which models came with the Z-bar? Mine is a '69 but it does not have one. Is it supposed to?
    blame the mechanic or the previous owner. Most mechanics in Pakistan consider it a nuisance and discard it. It is usually the rubber bushings and snubbers that wear out over time and then the bar rattles. Not able to find replacements, the complete assemblies are chucked out.

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