+++ I 100% agree, these chineese junks are nothing more than wastage of time and money, there is no comparison between a US$ 6000 rolex submariner and US$ 60 replica, instead, an original Japanese ORIENT, SEIKO or a CITIZEN is a great choice, off course with a little rise in budget. I bought an orient blue ray (one of the orient divers collection) for around US$ 150. a really great watch with Japanese in-house automatic self winding movement..