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    Default Honda City Fan Club

    (Maintainence schedule added at the end)

    Hi guys..!!! I thought we should have a Fan club for honda city.Theres already a fourm for City but thats dedicated to city steermatic only.in this club,we shall hav steermatic,idsi,cvt nd all models of city and all their variants. Well the history of this car is somewhat like this...


    First generation (1997-2000) On january 22nd 1997,the first Honda City was launched as a sedan.The city was always made for families and not for racing or sports.Thats why they were always equiped with the latest or sometimes firsts in the market.The interior was always very comforting and the seating position is also very comfortable.It had the options of power windows,and side view mirrors for the top model though they were not there in the base model.Power steeing,front seatbelts,digital clock,AC was available in the basic model too.One the outside,it was very elegantly designed.Beautiful,handsome and decent.Under the hood,it had a 1300cc 16valve SOHC engine ,and was the first car to have 16-valve in 1300cc category.


    Second generation (2000-2003) On January 20th 2000, Honda replaced the original City of 1997 with an update.This model of city had the basic shape of its predecessor.but with new crystal head lamps at the front,power side view mirrors and a chrome lining around the rear numberplate garnish.It was the first car in pakistan to have rear crystal headlights.It had two varients. Exi and Exi-s.The Exi had manual windows and side view mirrors,body colored licence plate garnish(not chromed), semi-fabric seat covers, 165/13 tyres,black door mirrors and no high mount stop lamp.But the Exi-s had all these things in it.The outside looked more gracefull with crystal lights and some new lines on the exterior.The engine in both of them were same.But this one had Programed fuel injection(PGM-Fi).There was optional 4-speed automatic transmission available. The engine engine's maximum horse power=90/6400 and maximum torque =11.5/4700 This model was produced until 2003


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    Third generation (2003-2005) On 23rd August 2003, the third-generation Honda City was launched which had a totally new shape.It was a very stylish and aerodynamic shape introduced in pakistan for the first time.It also was the first car to introduce i-dsi (intelligence-dual and sequential ignation) and CVT (continuously variable transmission) in Pakistan.It had an engine which is higly fuel economic and was build specially for better fuel economy.This car was equipped with power windows(pinch free) , power side view mirrors, tilt adjustable steering column and yet another first,the EPS or electriconic power steering.it made the steering very very soft to turn and also it had no oil used in it so it had no maintanence required.Other featrure of this car is that its the first Euro 3 comliant car in pakistan,that means that its very low on harmful emmisions.The EURO 3 emission standard are applicable in Europe from the year 2000, they are considered to be amongst the most strict standards worldwide. The standard limits emissions to 2.1 g/kWh CO, 0.66 g/kWh HC, 5.0 g/kWh NOx, 0.1 g/kWh particles. Another striking feature is, the boot space(400ltrs).it was bigger then any local car availabe at that time.This car was basically meant for families.it had two glove compartments,a big boot,empty space under the rear seats, four glass holders,and also, a smal space provided in the two front doors.And guess what? All of these options were available in the basic version.This city was divided on just the basis of the drive-train.One was manual,and other was automatic. On the outside,this car was designed very sophisticatedly,it looked smaller than other cars in size from outside but is alot more spacious inside.the body design was an immediate hit among fans and poeple who knew somthing about this type of things.Even the side view mirrors are designed to cut through air.


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    Fourth generation (2005-present) In september 2005,the fourth generation City was released.It was basically a face-lifted version on the previous model.it is known as the City ZX in Thailand, India, the New City in Malaysia and City in Pakistan.The most significant changes are a new exterior (new front grille, new headlamps, new fog lights, newtaillights and bumpers). The front end has been extended forward by 65 mm (2.6 in) while the rear has been extended by 15 mm (0.6 in). The VTEC trim have 15 inch alloy wheels as standard equipment. Interior changes are minor but it does include an armrest for the driver.The rest remains almost same as in the previous model. The engine remains the same but the intake manifold has been modified, resulting a 10% temperature drop in the intake air temperature (IAT), the suspension has been upgraded as well. Honda City in Pakistan are using CVT gearbox for both i-DSI and VTEC variants. The CVT-VTEC 1.5L gearbox is equipped with a Simulated 7-Speed Automated Manual Transmission (AMT) using paddle shift buttons. This is very rare for a subcompact of its class.This VTEC variant was called City-steermatic.

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    Steermatic:- The steermatic is basicaly a name of a technology used in the city VTEC 1.5L model.this model had a different engine than the idsi.it had a 1.5L engine with an auto transmission.this was not any other auto transmission.its is steermatic,means that you can change gears just by push of a button on the steering wheel.this is basically used in F1 racing.It has 2 options,either you drive on fully automated CVT option,or you select a virtual manual transmission.For this,you would change the gears when you want with a push of a button.This model also have an opitiron meter and also stock imported 15" alloy rims with bridgestone Potenza tyres. This technology is very sophisticated and advanced,which,sadly was'nt accepted by the buyers in Pakistan because they simply could not understand it and hence,this particular model of city was discontined.


    I-dsi:- I-dsi stands for Intelligence-dual and sequential ignation.In this type of engine,two spark plugs are employed for each cylinder.That makes 8 spark plugs instead of 4 plugs used by most cars.Adding of an additional plug assures complete burning and utilizing the last drop of fuel thrown into the cylinders which would provide you the best performace and better fuel consumption.Not all the times the 8 plugs are working,but when u push your car through high revs or speeds,all of them work simeltaneously and thats when ypu can feel the difference.But theres one drawback in it,this engine is equiped with 8 valves not 16.Hence it decreased the performance and city seems to be out of breath after 5000RPMs,but as this is basically a family car,performance is not the priority.The best thing about this was the fuel economy,about which,you can read the paragraph below.

    Fifth generation (2009 onwards) On 31th january 2009,the fifth generation of the honda City was launched in Pakistan.Which was an immediate hit among the fans.The previous Honda City was criticised due to its shape,but this time the best thing was the shape,which is even more aerodynamic then the previous one and also resembles the big Honda brothers,Civic and Accord.The best thing about the exterior of this City is the front view of the car.The wide,sleek and elegently designed radiator grill gives a refreashing look to the car.The dimesions of the car are almost similar to those of the older model.The sharp lines on the hood gives the city some attitude on the road.The boot space is increased about 25%,from 400ltrs to 506ltrs.But the good news doesnt end there,under the hood,There is a fairly powerful 1.3L SOHC VTEC engine.which produces a healthy 100bhp,enough for a 1.3L car.But dont think that you would have to lose something on the fuel economy side to get this sort of power.The fuel economy is actually improved.Some indian car expert magzines gave the figures of 22km/ltr for the auto transmission,which is the best in its class.The emission standards are improved as well.Previous city was Euro 3 compliant,but the new city is Euro 4 compliant.which means that your car is enviornment friendly.The only thing which you need to be concered about is the interior,which feels abit cramped campared to the previous City,but there is a reason to it.In the pervious city.the hood and the trunk had only a small portion of the exterior length covered,and the cabin was much bigger,which gave nice interior space,but from outside,the car looked ugly to some eyes.To correct this ugliness,the car was redesigned with increased hood and trunk length from outside,this made it look much better but the drawback was the lesser interior space.The second thing was the missing silver portions on the interior bits and panels of the Pakistani City.The interior would have felt lively only if some spots of it would have been in silver color.But you have alot other advantages,like 15" rims,ABS as standard,vtec engine,details of fuel milage on a special screen in the speedometer,huge boot and many other small things. In a nutshel,the new Honda City is much more refined comparitively to the previous one.The basic things which matter alot have been improved like the engine and the exterior design.The ride of the car is also improved,thanks to the small changes in the suspension.All in all,its still a great package if you see it the value-for-money way in Pakistani market atleast.


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    Fuel Consumption:- The 2005 face-lifted Honda City i-DSI achieved an impressive 26.2km per liter of fuel consumption during a challenge in June 2007. The challenge requires the vehicle to be occupied by 4 persons (including the driver), air conditioning being switched on and a load of luggage. The whole route stretched more than 660km that consists of not only highway driving but also hill climbing. ==================================== Source:-My self mostly,wikipedia and Honda atlas.


    In Short:- In short,according to me,all this proves that Honda City has been a great car for a family to have at all times for more than a decade now.It has proven its self to be a complete car one would need at a price tag it is available for.An im one of the thousands of satisfied owners of it for the past one year. Now all we need are your comments and thoughts upon this small wonder.And also do make sure you post some pix of your own city if you have,of any model.Please feel free to express your feelings about this car.

    Maintainence schedule:-

    There have been a lot of queries regarding the maintainence shedule of Honda City. To help find members and guests find this information easily and quickly, i am writing the complete maintainence shedule which i have been following for the past 5 years for my car (180,000kms).Cost of completing the job may/may not be stated. Some of it may not be the same as that in maintainence book provided by Honda people. In that case, i ll state the reason of the difference.Here goes.

    Oils:-
    Havoline formula 10W30 (3.7ltr) and oil filter change @ 3000kms. Cost 1900rs

    Transmission oil (Manual transmission) 2 ltr @ 40,000kms.
    Honda original oil 1980rs (2ltr)
    Good quality Zic/ micking oil 800rs (2ltr)

    Transmission oil ( Automatic transmission) 2lre @ 35,000kms
    Honda CVT oil ONLY (3.2-3.4L.) 1980rs

    Brake oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if padel feels very soft n goes wayy down.
    Honda original oil

    Clutch operation oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if you it shows signs of trouble

    Parts change:-

    Brake pads change:-
    recommended @ 30,000kms
    Can use any good quality pads. (labour 400rs for 4 wheels plus pads, from 500rs to 2500rs)

    Fuel filter change @ 40,000kms (IF driven on petrol)

    Air filter change @ 10,000kms Original Honda filter is best.Good quality guard filter is good too.
    980rs for OEM, 350rs for Guard filter.

    Spark plugs @ 20,000kms Original Honda plugs (8 plugs for idsi. 4 for steermatic, new city ivtec and before-2003 model City)

    Timing belt. Not required. From 2003 onwards, all honda Citys have timing chains instead of belts.They usually last a life time.

    Tune-ups :-

    Throttle body service @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs
    Tappets adjustment / valve clearence @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs

    Brake adjustment front not required after pads change. rear @ 30,000kms (or when front pads changed)

    Expected Life of Some parts:-

    Brake pads 35,000kms if driven aggressively ( cost already mentioned)
    Clutch plate 110,000kms if driven aggressively ( around 2000rs labour and 6000rs for clutch+pressure plate)
    Clutch bearing 150,000kms (So change with clutch plate) (800rs)
    Tuneups can be delayed to 30,000kms IF the car is run in clean enviornment like in Islamabad etc (less dust)
    Engine oil change can be delays to 5,000kms but not good in long run.

    Service Manual Honda City ids-i 2003-2008:-
    http://www.putlocker.com/file/CED54F8B8FB00360

    Tip for keeping automatic transmission (Vario and steermatic) healthy on CNG:-
    Change engine oil at 3,000kms MAX.
    Tranny oil at 30,000kms
    Tune up (throttle and valve clearence) at 20,000kms
    Do NOT ignore idleing problems. Rough idleing means jerks to transmission and thats what kills it on CNG.
    Keep air filter clean and change at 10,000kms max.

    Instrument cluster cleaning DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...ening-cleaning
    Console box opening and spray painting DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...-respray-diy-1
    A/c service, the easy way
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/air...ck-c-service-1
    Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...g-kallar-kahar
    2nd Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...ar-23-dec-12-a

    Thats all for now.
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    yesterday i filled full tank with 190 bar pressure and have done 210 kms average speed of 85-95 (2500 Rpm) on motor way and Lahore Ring Road. I use clean air filter. clean plugs. carb cleaner spray was used through air intake 3 days back. I am quite satisfied with the economical drive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by haa0518 View Post
    hello brothers,

    i really wanted to know the mileage of my vario because since i bought it i did not check the mileage because i had to go out of country anyway. after coming back the first thing i did was to fill the tank till the top and then drive it till the yellow light comes.

    i have no idea how much is the capacity of the fuel tank of Honda City 05 vario. but i suppose it is 42-44 Litres.

    when the yellow light came the car had driven 442.8kms. i am not a harsh driver. no hard braking and my rpm is always less than 3 in-fact less than 2 because i like to drive slow.. please let me know what to do and if this is normal or not. thanks in advance.

    filled the tank to the max
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    needle at F. All set to go.
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    440kms but no yellow light
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    and suddenly mabrook... the yellow light shows up
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    ah dats a poor poor average u r getting

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    Quote Originally Posted by haa0518 View Post
    hello brothers,

    i really wanted to know the mileage of my vario because since i bought it i did not check the mileage because i had to go out of country anyway. after coming back the first thing i did was to fill the tank till the top and then drive it till the yellow light comes.

    i have no idea how much is the capacity of the fuel tank of Honda City 05 vario. but i suppose it is 42-44 Litres.

    when the yellow light came the car had driven 442.8kms. i am not a harsh driver. no hard braking and my rpm is always less than 3 in-fact less than 2 because i like to drive slow.. please let me know what to do and if this is normal or not. thanks in advance.

    filled the tank to the max


    needle at F. All set to go.


    440kms but no yellow light


    and suddenly mabrook... the yellow light shows up
    Lets do the Maths first. In my opinion City Vario 05 should have the same Fuel Tank capacity as 06 Vario/Steermatic Model which is 42 Litre (35 Litre before Orange light comes up and 7 Litres after orange light). This means your average was:
    442.8/35 = 12.64 KM/Litre.

    Now if this was intercity driving then i consider this as a very good average for a Vario and it can be further imporved a bit with proper service/replacement of Air Filter, Throttle Body cleaning and stuff..

    Lets see what the experts say
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    emmm... directly onto the paint... im not sure about it yar, compound is a bit harsh type of thing and im not sure what it will do to not-so-sticky paint... offcourse the spray paint is very different to the car's body paint (for which the compound is actually made)
    why dont u do another project, take the panels out, respray if they have scratches or simply give them a clear coat!!! this opening and fitting back thing is a mess but the result makes one proud

    and yes, avatars become ones identity here ... thats why i havent changed mine for like 4 years now

    yea I m definitely gonna do it again. but this time, I m gonna make it shiny and sparkly like urs... Plus, I have to restore the small chrome bit on the handle...

    also, I've came across a city having METALLIC GREY panels... the one for sale on PW. u also commented in the thread. the colour is black may be but the reflection looks pretty awesome.

    Should I try the colour this time.?

    also, the compound u mentioned id the same. but can it be used to buff plastic surfaces, e.g headlights???

    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    Okay, 3 pics and NO quotes for pix for comments....

    Assembly mai bill pass honay laga hy, anyone who wants to use their "veto power" , come forward

    Oh yes... completely agree... i can do the job with just one AAMIR shot...

    However, DIY ka apna thread hona chahie... thats the best option.

    taa ke is page ke start me index hojaye...



    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    damn, i always take ur posts wrong

    yar the carpet under trunk lid came as stock, i didnt get it as an aftermarket thing ... once again... BU HU HA HA HA

    hahaha! I get it... lets see what i can do... I am planning to sound deaden the trunk by using foam underlay first. If not satisfactory, then dyanamat.

    the underlay will do the job for me I think, i.e the job of the carpet.


    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    hmmm.... so, no A drive, no C drive... in short u recommend yoko advan db... for 8500rs/tire for 15 inch, the price is almost equal to michelen energy tire... people keep on saying that yoko is a very nice brand but perili and michelen are the top 2 that u can get in pakistan... what do u say? ever tried michelen or heard anything about it?
    yaar, when I changed the tyres of the red city, the shop waala offered a michelien tyre for rs 9400. when I inquired abt manufacture, He said it was RUSSIAN... maine kaha yaar ager england, japan, thailand ya kaheen b aur ka hota to main le leta. But, ye RUSSIAN, sorry.

    after hearing it was russian, i didn't bother to check the model. however, I have heard pretty good feelings about the energy saver. as brother salman has suggested...


    Quote Originally Posted by haa0518 View Post
    hello brothers,

    i really wanted to know the mileage of my vario because since i bought it i did not check the mileage because i had to go out of country anyway. after coming back the first thing i did was to fill the tank till the top and then drive it till the yellow light comes.

    i have no idea how much is the capacity of the fuel tank of Honda City 05 vario. but i suppose it is 42-44 Litres.

    when the yellow light came the car had driven 442.8kms. i am not a harsh driver. no hard braking and my rpm is always less than 3 in-fact less than 2 because i like to drive slow.. please let me know what to do and if this is normal or not. thanks in advance.
    hmmm, bro, for ur mileage, I won't say that its bad, but its not satisfactory at all either. the tank capacity of ur city is 42L.

    now that u've averaged 443 kms, lets presume at the time of the yellow light, you had consumed 38 liters. (assuming there were 4 liters back there)

    this comes out to be around 11.4 kPL.

    We have instances of a 1.5L steermatic being driven around 507 kms in one full tank with full intercity, AC, and occasional over speeding to 130, 140kmh.

    urs being an idsi should get more than 550kms in one tank with the drive u've mentioned. Could u please share the mileage of ur car?

    the periodic maintenance u've done so far? The engine oil u use? I presume the model of ur car is around 2004 from the fact that u have an "EPS" light in the fuel gauge cluster. later models came with the universal Electric power steering symbol.

    To have better mileage, u can try the following:

    -change the air filter
    -change the spark plugs and use good quality ones.
    -change the fuel filter and clean the fuel lines.
    -get ur engine tuned up a bit e.g throttle body service, tappets adjustment etc.




    Quote Originally Posted by TarY View Post
    yesterday i filled full tank with 190 bar pressure and have done 210 kms average speed of 85-95 (2500 Rpm) on motor way and Lahore Ring Road. I use clean air filter. clean plugs. carb cleaner spray was used through air intake 3 days back. I am quite satisfied with the economical drive.
    wow bro... u got awesome mileage. but as I don't care about the mileage so much so i get around 150 km per cylinder, maximum filled with 8.6 kg gas at 200 bar pressure (the max allowed these days). Total intercity driving with the maximum gear being deployed the 3rd forward, occasionally, the 4th.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smashhud View Post
    Lets do the Maths first. In my opinion City Vario 05 should have the same Fuel Tank capacity as 06 Vario/Steermatic Model which is 42 Litre (35 Litre before Orange light comes up and 7 Litres after orange light). This means your average was:
    442.8/35 = 12.64 KM/Litre.

    Now if this was intercity driving then i consider this as a very good average for a Vario and it can be further imporved a bit with proper service/replacement of Air Filter, Throttle Body cleaning and stuff..

    Lets see what the experts say
    hmmm, bro, yer right. all citys from 04 to 07 had a 42L tank.


    however, I am not sure when or after how much liters is the yellow light displayed but Jaggi drove his steermatic 507 kms in a tank. his yellow light came on at 490kms.

    I think a vario should do better than that at least...
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    Quote Originally Posted by RollOnBigMaMa View Post
    hmmm, bro, yer right. all citys from 04 to 07 had a 42L tank.


    however, I am not sure when or after how much liters is the yellow light displayed but Jaggi drove his steermatic 507 kms in a tank. his yellow light came on at 490kms.

    I think a vario should do better than that at least...
    Dear.. I agree that Vario should atleast match if not better steermatics performance.. but there are certain factors involved which are variable in nature and can cause the variance..

    On the other hand i think i calculated the average right as the poster suggested that he took the picture and recorded the mileage as soon as the Orange light came on which means he consumed 35 Litres for 442.8 KMs.. 12.64 Km/ltr is a decent average for Both Steermatic and Vario (Intercity only ofcourse)
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    Quote Originally Posted by saadishahid View Post
    First of all, a big thanks to all the active contributors who have made this a great thread for all the city owners.
    I have recently purchased a City 2008 vario and I found it to be an amazing car. Luckily I was able to find one in very good condition with low millage (24k).
    Congratulations sir. u ve got urself a very very nice n clean city cvt and that too, for a very very nice price... infact the car is actually worth more then u bought it for!!!
    Enjoy ur stay here
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    Quote Originally Posted by KLINCH View Post
    hi guys ...
    i need comments regarding how one can improve the milleage of city idsi.
    i ve idsi 2006 and my car is giving maximum 139km to 143km per cylinder in the city without AC..
    max gas filled was 8.7kg.
    new ngk plugs with 1.1mm gap
    new air filter guard 'A' grade.
    tyre pressure 30psi
    tyre size 185/70/13
    tappets condition - loose

    thanks
    Im getting the same mileage here in sargodha, if u're getting this in karachi, u are lucky
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    Quote Originally Posted by haa0518 View Post
    hello brothers,

    i really wanted to know the mileage of my vario because since i bought it i did not check the mileage because i had to go out of country anyway. after coming back the first thing i did was to fill the tank till the top and then drive it till the yellow light comes.

    i have no idea how much is the capacity of the fuel tank of Honda City 05 vario. but i suppose it is 42-44 Litres.

    when the yellow light came the car had driven 442.8kms. i am not a harsh driver. no hard braking and my rpm is always less than 3 in-fact less than 2 because i like to drive slow.. please let me know what to do and if this is normal or not. thanks in advance.

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    Fuel tank of city is 45 ltrs. reserve fuel is 7.8kms. if u got 442.8km is 37.2 kms, that means u got around 12km/ltr. now, for a vario that has been driven locally, 12km/ltr is not bad, but not too good too. u must be aware of the fact that automatic cars dont give as much mileage as manuals.
    i'd say check the air filter, plugs n get throttle body serviced, mileage shud increase for sure... also , try to keep the tire pressure at 28psi atleast.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RollOnBigMaMa View Post
    yea I m definitely gonna do it again. but this time, I m gonna make it shiny and sparkly like urs... Plus, I have to restore the small chrome bit on the handle...

    also, I've came across a city having METALLIC GREY panels... the one for sale on PW. u also commented in the thread. the colour is black may be but the reflection looks pretty awesome.

    Should I try the colour this time.?

    also, the compound u mentioned id the same. but can it be used to buff plastic surfaces, e.g headlights???



    Oh yes... completely agree... i can do the job with just one AAMIR shot...

    However, DIY ka apna thread hona chahie... thats the best option.

    taa ke is page ke start me index hojaye...





    hahaha! I get it... lets see what i can do... I am planning to sound deaden the trunk by using foam underlay first. If not satisfactory, then dyanamat.

    the underlay will do the job for me I think, i.e the job of the carpet.




    yaar, when I changed the tyres of the red city, the shop waala offered a michelien tyre for rs 9400. when I inquired abt manufacture, He said it was RUSSIAN... maine kaha yaar ager england, japan, thailand ya kaheen b aur ka hota to main le leta. But, ye RUSSIAN, sorry.

    after hearing it was russian, i didn't bother to check the model. however, I have heard pretty good feelings about the energy saver. as brother salman has suggested...


    yaar i kinda liked the blackish color paint that guy did on his panels. it was shining twice as much as mine does and it also matches with ur a/c control knob rings etc... but make sure u ll like it before going for it
    and yar that compound cannot be used on headlights, it wud put scratches on the plastic!!

    hhahah... AAMIR shot agreed!!! yar the DIYs shud really have seperate threads and we can put the link in the main post of the thread as i ve done already with 3 of them.

    man that dynamite thing is expensive, that guy was selling 2 pieces for 3000rs, which wud cover just 2 doors. complete car covered wud cost around 15,000kms.

    hahaha... u against russia good


    okay guys, im gonna leave for a few days now. have to attend my first cousin's wedding in gujranwala. wud be leaving in a few hours and will report back on sunday night, may be monday morning... so, for now, ALLAH HAFIZ to everyone.... keep posting
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    Quote Originally Posted by waleed80 View Post
    ah dats a poor poor average u r getting
    i know its a poor avg.. i expected more... atleast 500

    Quote Originally Posted by smashhud View Post
    Lets do the Maths first. In my opinion City Vario 05 should have the same Fuel Tank capacity as 06 Vario/Steermatic Model which is 42 Litre (35 Litre before Orange light comes up and 7 Litres after orange light). This means your average was:
    442.8/35 = 12.64 KM/Litre.

    Now if this was intercity driving then i consider this as a very good average for a Vario and it can be further imporved a bit with proper service/replacement of Air Filter, Throttle Body cleaning and stuff..

    Lets see what the experts say
    yes i also think it can be improved. i assume i will need to do the adjustments you are talking about...

    Quote Originally Posted by RollOnBigMaMa View Post
    hmmm, bro, for ur mileage, I won't say that its bad, but its not satisfactory at all either. the tank capacity of ur city is 42L.

    now that u've averaged 443 kms, lets presume at the time of the yellow light, you had consumed 38 liters. (assuming there were 4 liters back there)

    this comes out to be around 11.4 kPL.

    We have instances of a 1.5L steermatic being driven around 507 kms in one full tank with full intercity, AC, and occasional over speeding to 130, 140kmh.

    urs being an idsi should get more than 550kms in one tank with the drive u've mentioned. Could u please share the mileage of ur car?

    the periodic maintenance u've done so far? The engine oil u use? I presume the model of ur car is around 2004 from the fact that u have an "EPS" light in the fuel gauge cluster. later models came with the universal Electric power steering symbol.

    To have better mileage, u can try the following:

    -change the air filter
    -change the spark plugs and use good quality ones.
    -change the fuel filter and clean the fuel lines.
    -get ur engine tuned up a bit e.g throttle body service, tappets adjustment etc.
    thanks you brother for the advise.. really going to sort these out.. just wanted to ask shall i do it from honda or local mechanis

    Quote Originally Posted by smashhud View Post
    Dear.. I agree that Vario should atleast match if not better steermatics performance.. but there are certain factors involved which are variable in nature and can cause the variance..

    On the other hand i think i calculated the average right as the poster suggested that he took the picture and recorded the mileage as soon as the Orange light came on which means he consumed 35 Litres for 442.8 KMs.. 12.64 Km/ltr is a decent average for Both Steermatic and Vario (Intercity only ofcourse)
    yes i took the pic as soon as the light came. i thought it will at least give 14-15km because i drive on very low rpms.. no aggressive driving or breaking


    thanks to all brothers for the valuable information. lets see if we can reach to some good mileage together..
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    Quote Originally Posted by AK471 View Post
    Have been checking this thread since yesterday, nice discussions, nice display and info. Excellently run by Ahmadbilla bro.

    Let me concede a bit of a secret with respect to my feelings about the City. Yes, I do turn my head a couple of times daily, when catching the looks of a well-shined Honda City on the roads. No doubts, it'a attractive from the front and the sides. Being a Pathan, my complaint has always been about it's rear portion, lol!

    I used to own one in 2006, when the shape had just changed. Still remember the smooth ride, lovely soft steering wheel, maneuverability, snake pattern ride on the hills with smooth, stable, sucked-to-the-road grip. Sold it same year for a bigger vehicle.

    Anyhow, as some of you may know, I need a replacement for the Altis 2011 MT/SR, recently stolen. I doubt there's any match, Altis 2011 is a class for itself of local cars of now. I'm just fighting the Corolla fever, may be able to do so and take a Honda for this time, may even fall back to an Altis again, can't really say.

    My issue is Civic is up for a change. Altis is the thieves honey-comb. Could probably take a City for now, till Civic new version hits the roads. But, then again, another dilemma, coz I heard the City even is up for some interior change to beige from black, what do I do? Does anyone have an idea on when this change in City is likely?

    Finally, kindly post a couple of pics of some of the best, modified City 2011's around here, with a slightly heavier rear portion, lol! How do I manage it a bit "beefier" there, without having to visit Shama Cinema, lolz! Any mods available, to change something upon the bumper, any spoiler for the trunk top, anything that could take the looks off those skinny, angled tail lights? (No offense meant)

    Kindly suggest something that looks "decent" enough, no over do, I'm a family man, just wanna make it look good, in case I do go for it.


    Looking forward to some suggestive inputs.


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    Aoa AK bro... read ur post two days back but te site was loading terribly slow so all I could do was click the like button...

    Well, u already have a pretty awesome reply by ahmad bhai.

    Let me make some of my share.

    first of all, whenever u think of buying a new car, always choose ur own preference and likes. Altis 1.6 is a very hard to resist car despite all the "tin dabba" "crap" "good for nothing' blah blah blah things out there with the people.

    To me, its just like "angoor khattay hain' waala formula. Now that u've had an awesome experience with the altis, it would be really hard to revert to a smaller car whose drive is a lot lot different than the new city.

    City is better than the XLI but not the altis in any way.

    Yer point that altis is the thieves honeycomb is very true. Even thieves look for an altis more than they look for a XLi or a GLi to snatch or steal.

    The point to ponder is "WHAT ACTUALLY MAKES THIEVES TICK???"

    well, here is something as per my own experience and limited knowledge though some of my bros won't agree:

    The reason one knows only when he goes to areas like bilal gunj in search of spare parts like power windows, four spoke steering wheels, back lit optitron instrument clusters for their Xlis and GLis. many other things which are given in altis as standard and are not in XLi and GLi.

    One goes for power windows from toyota dealership, they'll rip u staright off. They charge Rs 65k+ for a tetrad of Altis alloys. Therefore, 98% of our people go to chor bazaars and kaabli markets to buy these things.

    Corollas being run as taxis all over pakistan and by the people who have very limited info about cars, account for over 8 out of every 10 accidented cars on the roads.

    this is where parts like headlights and tail lights come in handy.

    The point of this whole write up is that if ever by any chance, people start purchasing Civic and City instead of corollas, the same will start happening to civics as well. Thieves will very very soon find a way to bypass the honda immobilizer.

    The only way on earth to keep ur car safe at every cost is to make sure she stays in ur eyes all the time and u should be prepared to handle every kind of situation when it comes to.

    These stolen corollas are purchased at high prices in chor bazaars and like in places to convert them to diesel engines,as u mentioned in one place.

    Therefore, do not opt for any car just cz the other one is not too safe to handle. while yer driving a city and an altis vrroooms past u on the highway, every time u'll be remembering ur black beauty and hating ur city.

    My suggestion for u is that go for a JDM imported axio or premio sort of thing if u really don't want to go for altis again.

    otherwise choose civic as it won't make u realize in terms of luxury and performance but then, again, its a GAS GUZZLER and u won't be dong anymore journeys from burhan to islamabad in 3 liters of fuel.

    As far as modding a new city is concerned, no one in my knowledge has been doing it so far. however, IMO u can always search for ideas on the internet and then go for a decent mod.

    Me being a pathan as well, its rear concerns me alot!!! ha ha ha!


    Hope my post is helpful to you somehow.

    Regards...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    Fuel tank of city is 45 ltrs. reserve fuel is 7.8kms. if u got 442.8km is 37.2 kms, that means u got around 12km/ltr. now, for a vario that has been driven locally, 12km/ltr is not bad, but not too good too. u must be aware of the fact that automatic cars dont give as much mileage as manuals.
    i'd say check the air filter, plugs n get throttle body serviced, mileage shud increase for sure... also , try to keep the tire pressure at 28psi atleast.
    thank you ahmad bhai.. just done with changing the air filter.. actually i dont have any idea which air filter to get.. i got the one for 250rs :O i dont know how will it work but the previous air filter was clogged i think the mileage shall definitely improve now..now ill get the throttle body serviced and i will also get the plugs charged...

    then i will fill again to full and then we will check it... thank you guys,.. ill keep you guys updated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by haa0518 View Post
    thank you ahmad bhai.. just done with changing the air filter.. actually i dont have any idea which air filter to get.. i got the one for 250rs :O i dont know how will it work but the previous air filter was clogged i think the mileage shall definitely improve now..now ill get the throttle body serviced and i will also get the plugs charged...

    then i will fill again to full and then we will check it... thank you guys,.. ill keep you guys updated.

    pp pppll ppllug charging..??? dude thats not gonna work.. install new plugs.. i dont think plugs have any sort of charging material.....

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    Hehehe.. I think he meant Plug Changing.. Lets just consider this a typo
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    Quote Originally Posted by KLINCH View Post
    pp pppll ppllug charging..??? dude thats not gonna work.. install new plugs.. i dont think plugs have any sort of charging material.....
    Quote Originally Posted by smashhud View Post
    Hehehe.. I think he meant Plug Changing.. Lets just consider this a typo
    haha no guys i mean plug charging.. this is what local mechanics call... all the plugs are opened and taken to a person with a counter and the he puts the plug into some sort of his local machine and then the plugs are buffed and sanded in that machine i think and then they come out like new.. this is what they call Plug Charging lol
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    I am not tagging any posts here as it would make my reply a marathon one. Now coming to the topic.

    Well to me this 442 km achieved in a tank is good. A city has 42l tank I have the manual and it says so. I dont know when the reserve shows but I think its about 7-8l. Which means 442 in 35l i.e 12.5 per litre. Now the thing is that he was not using his car and if that period is more than 2 weeks, than let me tell you all that petrol has shelf life of 3 weeks after which its hydrocarbons evaporate and a lacquer sort of liquid is left behind, as the hydrocarbons are lesser so the car will consume more fuel so if a person gets a tank filled and uses it through out the month he wont get the same average as a person emptying a tank in 3-4 days. Also some petrol evaporates through the overflow valve so thats why low figures.

    As far as aamir bhai is concerned well he lives in bahria town and its like 10 kms away from thokar and thats almost a highway ride you can literally cruise even I can get 22km per kg these days when I go there. So imagine if his daily run his 50km than 20km he is doing from bahria to thokar which is equivalent to highway so 40% of his driving his like highway thats why he is getting 500+ in a tank fill. These days there are many categories of city drive. There is drive of defence and societies that is called city drive but is light on pocket and than there is drive of areas like montgomery, urdu bazaar and bilal gunj that is immensely heavy on pocket. Although both are city drives but not alike. So one has to compare like with like. I think I have made my point clear

    Also rollon the CNG in lahore and Karachi had lesser hydrocarbons so you get less mileage but in mianwali the hydrocarbons are good so one can automatically get good figures. Just for a test come here and consume a cylinder in city with lahore cng and you will know yourself

    The man with vario who got his tank filled. In which area do you live and after how many days you got tank filled and how many litres went in please reply

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    Quote Originally Posted by a_n_memon88 View Post
    The man with vario who got his tank filled. In which area do you live and after how many days you got tank filled and how many litres went in please reply
    brother i live in Karachi and mostly my drive is of inner city and in traffics. at the time i filled in i paid +- 3,700 PKR to the person and i didn't check how many litres next time i will.. definitely
    i don't drive very rough and no hard braking. i drive slow and on low rpms and here you don't get chance to speed up and in my opinion speed kills so i drive slow.
    also i filled the tank on the 7th of this month and the yellow light came on the 15th of this month.. so its almost 15 days. my running is not too much..

    and i have changed the air filter today.. i went to my mechanic i told him this is the issue he check the air filter and it was clogged like anything. so changed it.. and got the one for 250rupees lol.. i dont know how good will it be and how long will it last.. lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by haa0518 View Post
    brother i live in Karachi and mostly my drive is of inner city and in traffics. at the time i filled in i paid +- 3,700 PKR to the person and i didn't check how many litres next time i will.. definitely
    i don't drive very rough and no hard braking. i drive slow and on low rpms and here you don't get chance to speed up and in my opinion speed kills so i drive slow.
    also i filled the tank on the 7th of this month and the yellow light came on the 15th of this month.. so its almost 15 days. my running is not too much..

    and i have changed the air filter today.. i went to my mechanic i told him this is the issue he check the air filter and it was clogged like anything. so changed it.. and got the one for 250rupees lol.. i dont know how good will it be and how long will it last.. lol
    If you drive in inner city than I would say you are lucky you are getting good mileage. I have been to karachi and actually belong to karachi, karachi traffic is just too much one can get stuck for hours in traffic. As far as filter is concerned i dont think changing it would change the mileage on petrol because the car has maf sensor that senses the airflow and controls the fuel supply accordingly the only difference you will feel is that the cars pick would increase.

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    hello brothers.

    i have again filled the petrol tank but this time what i have done is that i have filled it from Caltex. Last time i filled it from PSO.
    the difference i noticed was that the petrol from PSO caused knocking when the gear was brought to 'D' and when i pressed the accelerator a little knocking again however not after the petrol from Caltex the knocking has gone and i feel power of the engine and Alhamdullilah no knocking. for the record i took the picture and the petrol was filled up to the neck. lets see if we get better mileage now at least i need 480km now

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