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    Default Honda City Fan Club

    (Maintainence schedule added at the end)

    Hi guys..!!! I thought we should have a Fan club for honda city.Theres already a fourm for City but thats dedicated to city steermatic only.in this club,we shall hav steermatic,idsi,cvt nd all models of city and all their variants. Well the history of this car is somewhat like this...


    First generation (1997-2000) On january 22nd 1997,the first Honda City was launched as a sedan.The city was always made for families and not for racing or sports.Thats why they were always equiped with the latest or sometimes firsts in the market.The interior was always very comforting and the seating position is also very comfortable.It had the options of power windows,and side view mirrors for the top model though they were not there in the base model.Power steeing,front seatbelts,digital clock,AC was available in the basic model too.One the outside,it was very elegantly designed.Beautiful,handsome and decent.Under the hood,it had a 1300cc 16valve SOHC engine ,and was the first car to have 16-valve in 1300cc category.


    Second generation (2000-2003) On January 20th 2000, Honda replaced the original City of 1997 with an update.This model of city had the basic shape of its predecessor.but with new crystal head lamps at the front,power side view mirrors and a chrome lining around the rear numberplate garnish.It was the first car in pakistan to have rear crystal headlights.It had two varients. Exi and Exi-s.The Exi had manual windows and side view mirrors,body colored licence plate garnish(not chromed), semi-fabric seat covers, 165/13 tyres,black door mirrors and no high mount stop lamp.But the Exi-s had all these things in it.The outside looked more gracefull with crystal lights and some new lines on the exterior.The engine in both of them were same.But this one had Programed fuel injection(PGM-Fi).There was optional 4-speed automatic transmission available. The engine engine's maximum horse power=90/6400 and maximum torque =11.5/4700 This model was produced until 2003


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    Third generation (2003-2005) On 23rd August 2003, the third-generation Honda City was launched which had a totally new shape.It was a very stylish and aerodynamic shape introduced in pakistan for the first time.It also was the first car to introduce i-dsi (intelligence-dual and sequential ignation) and CVT (continuously variable transmission) in Pakistan.It had an engine which is higly fuel economic and was build specially for better fuel economy.This car was equipped with power windows(pinch free) , power side view mirrors, tilt adjustable steering column and yet another first,the EPS or electriconic power steering.it made the steering very very soft to turn and also it had no oil used in it so it had no maintanence required.Other featrure of this car is that its the first Euro 3 comliant car in pakistan,that means that its very low on harmful emmisions.The EURO 3 emission standard are applicable in Europe from the year 2000, they are considered to be amongst the most strict standards worldwide. The standard limits emissions to 2.1 g/kWh CO, 0.66 g/kWh HC, 5.0 g/kWh NOx, 0.1 g/kWh particles. Another striking feature is, the boot space(400ltrs).it was bigger then any local car availabe at that time.This car was basically meant for families.it had two glove compartments,a big boot,empty space under the rear seats, four glass holders,and also, a smal space provided in the two front doors.And guess what? All of these options were available in the basic version.This city was divided on just the basis of the drive-train.One was manual,and other was automatic. On the outside,this car was designed very sophisticatedly,it looked smaller than other cars in size from outside but is alot more spacious inside.the body design was an immediate hit among fans and poeple who knew somthing about this type of things.Even the side view mirrors are designed to cut through air.


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    Fourth generation (2005-present) In september 2005,the fourth generation City was released.It was basically a face-lifted version on the previous model.it is known as the City ZX in Thailand, India, the New City in Malaysia and City in Pakistan.The most significant changes are a new exterior (new front grille, new headlamps, new fog lights, newtaillights and bumpers). The front end has been extended forward by 65 mm (2.6 in) while the rear has been extended by 15 mm (0.6 in). The VTEC trim have 15 inch alloy wheels as standard equipment. Interior changes are minor but it does include an armrest for the driver.The rest remains almost same as in the previous model. The engine remains the same but the intake manifold has been modified, resulting a 10% temperature drop in the intake air temperature (IAT), the suspension has been upgraded as well. Honda City in Pakistan are using CVT gearbox for both i-DSI and VTEC variants. The CVT-VTEC 1.5L gearbox is equipped with a Simulated 7-Speed Automated Manual Transmission (AMT) using paddle shift buttons. This is very rare for a subcompact of its class.This VTEC variant was called City-steermatic.

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    Steermatic:- The steermatic is basicaly a name of a technology used in the city VTEC 1.5L model.this model had a different engine than the idsi.it had a 1.5L engine with an auto transmission.this was not any other auto transmission.its is steermatic,means that you can change gears just by push of a button on the steering wheel.this is basically used in F1 racing.It has 2 options,either you drive on fully automated CVT option,or you select a virtual manual transmission.For this,you would change the gears when you want with a push of a button.This model also have an opitiron meter and also stock imported 15" alloy rims with bridgestone Potenza tyres. This technology is very sophisticated and advanced,which,sadly was'nt accepted by the buyers in Pakistan because they simply could not understand it and hence,this particular model of city was discontined.


    I-dsi:- I-dsi stands for Intelligence-dual and sequential ignation.In this type of engine,two spark plugs are employed for each cylinder.That makes 8 spark plugs instead of 4 plugs used by most cars.Adding of an additional plug assures complete burning and utilizing the last drop of fuel thrown into the cylinders which would provide you the best performace and better fuel consumption.Not all the times the 8 plugs are working,but when u push your car through high revs or speeds,all of them work simeltaneously and thats when ypu can feel the difference.But theres one drawback in it,this engine is equiped with 8 valves not 16.Hence it decreased the performance and city seems to be out of breath after 5000RPMs,but as this is basically a family car,performance is not the priority.The best thing about this was the fuel economy,about which,you can read the paragraph below.

    Fifth generation (2009 onwards) On 31th january 2009,the fifth generation of the honda City was launched in Pakistan.Which was an immediate hit among the fans.The previous Honda City was criticised due to its shape,but this time the best thing was the shape,which is even more aerodynamic then the previous one and also resembles the big Honda brothers,Civic and Accord.The best thing about the exterior of this City is the front view of the car.The wide,sleek and elegently designed radiator grill gives a refreashing look to the car.The dimesions of the car are almost similar to those of the older model.The sharp lines on the hood gives the city some attitude on the road.The boot space is increased about 25%,from 400ltrs to 506ltrs.But the good news doesnt end there,under the hood,There is a fairly powerful 1.3L SOHC VTEC engine.which produces a healthy 100bhp,enough for a 1.3L car.But dont think that you would have to lose something on the fuel economy side to get this sort of power.The fuel economy is actually improved.Some indian car expert magzines gave the figures of 22km/ltr for the auto transmission,which is the best in its class.The emission standards are improved as well.Previous city was Euro 3 compliant,but the new city is Euro 4 compliant.which means that your car is enviornment friendly.The only thing which you need to be concered about is the interior,which feels abit cramped campared to the previous City,but there is a reason to it.In the pervious city.the hood and the trunk had only a small portion of the exterior length covered,and the cabin was much bigger,which gave nice interior space,but from outside,the car looked ugly to some eyes.To correct this ugliness,the car was redesigned with increased hood and trunk length from outside,this made it look much better but the drawback was the lesser interior space.The second thing was the missing silver portions on the interior bits and panels of the Pakistani City.The interior would have felt lively only if some spots of it would have been in silver color.But you have alot other advantages,like 15" rims,ABS as standard,vtec engine,details of fuel milage on a special screen in the speedometer,huge boot and many other small things. In a nutshel,the new Honda City is much more refined comparitively to the previous one.The basic things which matter alot have been improved like the engine and the exterior design.The ride of the car is also improved,thanks to the small changes in the suspension.All in all,its still a great package if you see it the value-for-money way in Pakistani market atleast.


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    Fuel Consumption:- The 2005 face-lifted Honda City i-DSI achieved an impressive 26.2km per liter of fuel consumption during a challenge in June 2007. The challenge requires the vehicle to be occupied by 4 persons (including the driver), air conditioning being switched on and a load of luggage. The whole route stretched more than 660km that consists of not only highway driving but also hill climbing. ==================================== Source:-My self mostly,wikipedia and Honda atlas.


    In Short:- In short,according to me,all this proves that Honda City has been a great car for a family to have at all times for more than a decade now.It has proven its self to be a complete car one would need at a price tag it is available for.An im one of the thousands of satisfied owners of it for the past one year. Now all we need are your comments and thoughts upon this small wonder.And also do make sure you post some pix of your own city if you have,of any model.Please feel free to express your feelings about this car.

    Maintainence schedule:-

    There have been a lot of queries regarding the maintainence shedule of Honda City. To help find members and guests find this information easily and quickly, i am writing the complete maintainence shedule which i have been following for the past 5 years for my car (180,000kms).Cost of completing the job may/may not be stated. Some of it may not be the same as that in maintainence book provided by Honda people. In that case, i ll state the reason of the difference.Here goes.

    Oils:-
    Havoline formula 10W30 (3.7ltr) and oil filter change @ 3000kms. Cost 1900rs

    Transmission oil (Manual transmission) 2 ltr @ 40,000kms.
    Honda original oil 1980rs (2ltr)
    Good quality Zic/ micking oil 800rs (2ltr)

    Transmission oil ( Automatic transmission) 2lre @ 35,000kms
    Honda CVT oil ONLY (3.2-3.4L.) 1980rs

    Brake oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if padel feels very soft n goes wayy down.
    Honda original oil

    Clutch operation oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if you it shows signs of trouble

    Parts change:-

    Brake pads change:-
    recommended @ 30,000kms
    Can use any good quality pads. (labour 400rs for 4 wheels plus pads, from 500rs to 2500rs)

    Fuel filter change @ 40,000kms (IF driven on petrol)

    Air filter change @ 10,000kms Original Honda filter is best.Good quality guard filter is good too.
    980rs for OEM, 350rs for Guard filter.

    Spark plugs @ 20,000kms Original Honda plugs (8 plugs for idsi. 4 for steermatic, new city ivtec and before-2003 model City)

    Timing belt. Not required. From 2003 onwards, all honda Citys have timing chains instead of belts.They usually last a life time.

    Tune-ups :-

    Throttle body service @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs
    Tappets adjustment / valve clearence @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs

    Brake adjustment front not required after pads change. rear @ 30,000kms (or when front pads changed)

    Expected Life of Some parts:-

    Brake pads 35,000kms if driven aggressively ( cost already mentioned)
    Clutch plate 110,000kms if driven aggressively ( around 2000rs labour and 6000rs for clutch+pressure plate)
    Clutch bearing 150,000kms (So change with clutch plate) (800rs)
    Tuneups can be delayed to 30,000kms IF the car is run in clean enviornment like in Islamabad etc (less dust)
    Engine oil change can be delays to 5,000kms but not good in long run.

    Service Manual Honda City ids-i 2003-2008:-
    http://www.putlocker.com/file/CED54F8B8FB00360

    Tip for keeping automatic transmission (Vario and steermatic) healthy on CNG:-
    Change engine oil at 3,000kms MAX.
    Tranny oil at 30,000kms
    Tune up (throttle and valve clearence) at 20,000kms
    Do NOT ignore idleing problems. Rough idleing means jerks to transmission and thats what kills it on CNG.
    Keep air filter clean and change at 10,000kms max.

    Instrument cluster cleaning DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...ening-cleaning
    Console box opening and spray painting DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...-respray-diy-1
    A/c service, the easy way
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/air...ck-c-service-1
    Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...g-kallar-kahar
    2nd Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...ar-23-dec-12-a

    Thats all for now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by waleed80 View Post
    Does city have h4 headlight bulbs or h7
    Well ! I've already told you Before the Procedure How to know about it ! Well NO PROBLEM Yaraa!!
    Ask ahmad_yar He can Confirm you for Sure!!
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    Salam every one...

    Can u tell me from EXIS or IDSI i mean 2000 to 2002 and 2003 to 2005 which model is best of honda city? i am planning to buy one of them.. need ur advice..

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    Quote Originally Posted by rizwan_fca88 View Post
    Salam every one...

    Can u tell me from EXIS or IDSI i mean 2000 to 2002 and 2003 to 2005 which model is best of honda city? i am planning to buy one of them.. need ur advice..
    WS,
    at least i wont recommend 10-12 year old car in any circumstances no matter what, yes i do have 2k model but this line cant be denied the new the better, so you should goto IDSI or even if your budget allows you go for facelift DISI 2k6 plus models, and @huzaifaa is the exact person for you for all queries regarding purchase thingy and @ahmedbila is the man for review on keeping one for long time, hopes that answer your query.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skt_Z4 View Post
    i cnducted a test rite now for AC of city 08
    initial state, at thermstat at Mid cooling
    fan at 1, comprsr remained ON for 1 min nd some sec. while at Fan 2,compresor remained ON for 2 mins.
    afterwards cmpressor remains off for 5 sec each time,nd ON for 12-15 sec for Fan at 1 and ON for 25-35 sec at Fan at 2.

    almost same timing was for cooling at max.
    moeed bhai nice testing but i am confuse now , thermostate interlink with fan ? or with thermostate dial ?
    further when my fan was 1 speed and thermostate at max car cabin was chill but when fan was at speed 2 and thermostate at mid level cabin was not that much cold

    moeed bhai , ahmad bhai and all experts pls advise
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skt_Z4 View Post
    Well ! I've already told you Before the Procedure How to know about it ! Well NO PROBLEM Yaraa!!
    Ask ahmad_yar He can Confirm you for Sure!!
    moeed bhai ku muje merwa rahe ho bhai ? ask me anything about car detailing but in tech matters i am ZERO
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    Quote Originally Posted by rizwan_fca88 View Post
    Salam every one...

    Can u tell me from EXIS or IDSI i mean 2000 to 2002 and 2003 to 2005 which model is best of honda city? i am planning to buy one of them.. need ur advice..
    depends on ur budget, if u have a budget of less then 800k then go for city exis. u ll get one in excellent condition. if u have more then 900k then go for city idsi. u CAN find idsi in less then 800k too but the condition would be bad so i wont recommend that.

    as for pure comparison of both the cars, well, both have their positive and negative points. idsi is more economical, quieter, roomier cabin, bit more modern but city exis is faster, has better brakes, rides more stable and is simpler to maintain. but if budget was not an issue n i had to chose, i'd take the idsi...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmad_yar View Post
    moeed bhai nice testing but i am confuse now , thermostate interlink with fan ? or with thermostate dial ?
    further when my fan was 1 speed and thermostate at max car cabin was chill but when fan was at speed 2 and thermostate at mid level cabin was not that much cold

    moeed bhai , ahmad bhai and all experts pls advise
    jazakallha

    Ahmad bhai, certainly there is a connection between the fan speed and the time that the compressor stays on. dont play with the thermostat knob, let it stay at the start (i.e. the coolest setting) and plan with the fan speed. at speed 1 u ll notice that the compressor will stay on only for a few seconds (after the cabin has been chilled once) and at fan speed 3 or 4 the compressor will stay on for a much longer time...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skt_Z4 View Post
    i cnducted a test rite now for AC of city 08
    initial state, at thermstat at Mid cooling
    fan at 1, comprsr remained ON for 1 min nd some sec. while at Fan 2,compresor remained ON for 2 mins.
    afterwards cmpressor remains off for 5 sec each time,nd ON for 12-15 sec for Fan at 1 and ON for 25-35 sec at Fan at 2.

    almost same timing was for cooling at max.
    im not sure but i think the thermostat has nothing or hardly anything to do with the length of time the compressor stays on. the following is totally based on my opinion and can be wrong....
    wat i believe is that thermostat knob, if set anything above the chillest temperature will route some of the air to the heater pipes, some of the a/c cooling will be lost and thats how temperature will reduce. but it has no direct connection with the compressor interval...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmad_yar View Post
    moeed bhai , ahmad bhai and all experts pls advise
    jazakallha
    well Im not an expert.. jus engineering student.. so experimnts krta rehta hu
    my experiment might be prove wrong by an EXperT :/
    Ahmad bhai has explained well.. so i think there is no need to explain further..!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post
    Ahmad bhai, certainly there is a connection between the fan speed and the time that the compressor stays on. dont play with the thermostat knob, let it stay at the start (i.e. the coolest setting) and plan with the fan speed. at speed 1 u ll notice that the compressor will stay on only for a few seconds (after the cabin has been chilled once) and at fan speed 3 or 4 the compressor will stay on for a much longer time...
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    two days back my car was parked in the garage and due to heavy winds the gate opened by itself and hit the car at rear and has put a dent in its boot near number plate my car is insured and i took it to honda guys today but they say that althogh the bump is small (around 2 inches), the whole boot will have to be repainted i m severely depressed. please advise me what to do. no paint has been removed at all though, but the location is exactly the left lower corner of number plate. rather, the number plate itself took some brunt of the swing or the damage could have been severe. advise please. shall i get the boot repainted after getting the car repaired or shall i leave it as such

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    ^^^^ the car is 2012 city (MT) delivered just 2 months back

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    Quote Originally Posted by waleed80 View Post
    two days back my car was parked in the garage and due to heavy winds the gate opened by itself and hit the car at rear and has put a dent in its boot near number plate my car is insured and i took it to honda guys today but they say that althogh the bump is small (around 2 inches), the whole boot will have to be repainted i m severely depressed. please advise me what to do. no paint has been removed at all though, but the location is exactly the left lower corner of number plate. rather, the number plate itself took some brunt of the swing or the damage could have been severe. advise please. shall i get the boot repainted after getting the car repaired or shall i leave it as such
    Unfortunate Accident.. But my advice would be to leave it as it is.. Lets see what the experts suggest
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    Quote Originally Posted by smashhud View Post
    Unfortunate Accident.. But my advice would be to leave it as it is.. Lets see what the experts suggest
    yeah....there are three options
    1. cover the bump up with pakwheels sticker
    2. get the bump removed from honda and get the whole boot repainted from them (car is insured)
    3. look for the BEST paint shop in Islamabad/pindi and get the work done from them (please suggest which place to go for)

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    ^^ sir ji aise hi rehne dein batour nazar watoo, na yeh kissi ko bura lage ga na hi iss se aap ki gari ki khub soorti kam ho gi, trust me hota hai but no need to do any thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mahmood View Post
    ^^ sir ji aise hi rehne dein batour nazar watoo, na yeh kissi ko bura lage ga na hi iss se aap ki gari ki khub soorti kam ho gi, trust me hota hai but no need to do any thing.
    this is what my parents are telling me too. i would post the picture here when i get home from office

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    Thanks mahmood bhai for ur advice... I will definitely go for IDSI...

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    Quote Originally Posted by waleed80 View Post
    two days back my car was parked in the garage and due to heavy winds the gate opened by itself and hit the car at rear and has put a dent in its boot near number plate my car is insured and i took it to honda guys today but they say that althogh the bump is small (around 2 inches), the whole boot will have to be repainted i m severely depressed. please advise me what to do. no paint has been removed at all though, but the location is exactly the left lower corner of number plate. rather, the number plate itself took some brunt of the swing or the damage could have been severe. advise please. shall i get the boot repainted after getting the car repaired or shall i leave it as such
    damn it! bad!! i remember a complete 40kg cupboard fell on my car's rear fender, it was lying in the garage when we were shifting home but it only hit the last inch of the lowest area of fender and then rested on the tire.

    these honda guys are always looking to rob anyone who steps into their place... who says patches cant be painted? i ve seen some (master) painters paint small patches with perfection. perfect paint matching.

    anyways, if u want to stay away from paint, get it dry dented if u can. it ll pop out the dent but there may be a rough patch. get it painted if u arent satisfied with the finish...
    When the power of love exceeds the love for power, the world will finally know peace=Every man is guilty of all the good he didn't do

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    Today, around 10am in the morning i got a call from a fellow pw member "SKILL" . he said he was on the way to sargodha and wanted to see if we can meet so i said SURE.... after 45 minutes we were having having a gud gup shup while having some light snacks. Thank you for remembering me Hamid bhai, was a pleasure meeting you

    Moral:- Agar koe sargodha k aas paas say guzar rha ho or mujhy call kar k mulakat kar lay tou mai khhaa nai jata
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