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    Default Honda City Fan Club

    (Maintainence schedule added at the end)

    Hi guys..!!! I thought we should have a Fan club for honda city.Theres already a fourm for City but thats dedicated to city steermatic only.in this club,we shall hav steermatic,idsi,cvt nd all models of city and all their variants. Well the history of this car is somewhat like this...


    First generation (1997-2000) On january 22nd 1997,the first Honda City was launched as a sedan.The city was always made for families and not for racing or sports.Thats why they were always equiped with the latest or sometimes firsts in the market.The interior was always very comforting and the seating position is also very comfortable.It had the options of power windows,and side view mirrors for the top model though they were not there in the base model.Power steeing,front seatbelts,digital clock,AC was available in the basic model too.One the outside,it was very elegantly designed.Beautiful,handsome and decent.Under the hood,it had a 1300cc 16valve SOHC engine ,and was the first car to have 16-valve in 1300cc category.


    Second generation (2000-2003) On January 20th 2000, Honda replaced the original City of 1997 with an update.This model of city had the basic shape of its predecessor.but with new crystal head lamps at the front,power side view mirrors and a chrome lining around the rear numberplate garnish.It was the first car in pakistan to have rear crystal headlights.It had two varients. Exi and Exi-s.The Exi had manual windows and side view mirrors,body colored licence plate garnish(not chromed), semi-fabric seat covers, 165/13 tyres,black door mirrors and no high mount stop lamp.But the Exi-s had all these things in it.The outside looked more gracefull with crystal lights and some new lines on the exterior.The engine in both of them were same.But this one had Programed fuel injection(PGM-Fi).There was optional 4-speed automatic transmission available. The engine engine's maximum horse power=90/6400 and maximum torque =11.5/4700 This model was produced until 2003


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    Third generation (2003-2005) On 23rd August 2003, the third-generation Honda City was launched which had a totally new shape.It was a very stylish and aerodynamic shape introduced in pakistan for the first time.It also was the first car to introduce i-dsi (intelligence-dual and sequential ignation) and CVT (continuously variable transmission) in Pakistan.It had an engine which is higly fuel economic and was build specially for better fuel economy.This car was equipped with power windows(pinch free) , power side view mirrors, tilt adjustable steering column and yet another first,the EPS or electriconic power steering.it made the steering very very soft to turn and also it had no oil used in it so it had no maintanence required.Other featrure of this car is that its the first Euro 3 comliant car in pakistan,that means that its very low on harmful emmisions.The EURO 3 emission standard are applicable in Europe from the year 2000, they are considered to be amongst the most strict standards worldwide. The standard limits emissions to 2.1 g/kWh CO, 0.66 g/kWh HC, 5.0 g/kWh NOx, 0.1 g/kWh particles. Another striking feature is, the boot space(400ltrs).it was bigger then any local car availabe at that time.This car was basically meant for families.it had two glove compartments,a big boot,empty space under the rear seats, four glass holders,and also, a smal space provided in the two front doors.And guess what? All of these options were available in the basic version.This city was divided on just the basis of the drive-train.One was manual,and other was automatic. On the outside,this car was designed very sophisticatedly,it looked smaller than other cars in size from outside but is alot more spacious inside.the body design was an immediate hit among fans and poeple who knew somthing about this type of things.Even the side view mirrors are designed to cut through air.


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    Fourth generation (2005-present) In september 2005,the fourth generation City was released.It was basically a face-lifted version on the previous model.it is known as the City ZX in Thailand, India, the New City in Malaysia and City in Pakistan.The most significant changes are a new exterior (new front grille, new headlamps, new fog lights, newtaillights and bumpers). The front end has been extended forward by 65 mm (2.6 in) while the rear has been extended by 15 mm (0.6 in). The VTEC trim have 15 inch alloy wheels as standard equipment. Interior changes are minor but it does include an armrest for the driver.The rest remains almost same as in the previous model. The engine remains the same but the intake manifold has been modified, resulting a 10% temperature drop in the intake air temperature (IAT), the suspension has been upgraded as well. Honda City in Pakistan are using CVT gearbox for both i-DSI and VTEC variants. The CVT-VTEC 1.5L gearbox is equipped with a Simulated 7-Speed Automated Manual Transmission (AMT) using paddle shift buttons. This is very rare for a subcompact of its class.This VTEC variant was called City-steermatic.

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    Steermatic:- The steermatic is basicaly a name of a technology used in the city VTEC 1.5L model.this model had a different engine than the idsi.it had a 1.5L engine with an auto transmission.this was not any other auto transmission.its is steermatic,means that you can change gears just by push of a button on the steering wheel.this is basically used in F1 racing.It has 2 options,either you drive on fully automated CVT option,or you select a virtual manual transmission.For this,you would change the gears when you want with a push of a button.This model also have an opitiron meter and also stock imported 15" alloy rims with bridgestone Potenza tyres. This technology is very sophisticated and advanced,which,sadly was'nt accepted by the buyers in Pakistan because they simply could not understand it and hence,this particular model of city was discontined.


    I-dsi:- I-dsi stands for Intelligence-dual and sequential ignation.In this type of engine,two spark plugs are employed for each cylinder.That makes 8 spark plugs instead of 4 plugs used by most cars.Adding of an additional plug assures complete burning and utilizing the last drop of fuel thrown into the cylinders which would provide you the best performace and better fuel consumption.Not all the times the 8 plugs are working,but when u push your car through high revs or speeds,all of them work simeltaneously and thats when ypu can feel the difference.But theres one drawback in it,this engine is equiped with 8 valves not 16.Hence it decreased the performance and city seems to be out of breath after 5000RPMs,but as this is basically a family car,performance is not the priority.The best thing about this was the fuel economy,about which,you can read the paragraph below.

    Fifth generation (2009 onwards) On 31th january 2009,the fifth generation of the honda City was launched in Pakistan.Which was an immediate hit among the fans.The previous Honda City was criticised due to its shape,but this time the best thing was the shape,which is even more aerodynamic then the previous one and also resembles the big Honda brothers,Civic and Accord.The best thing about the exterior of this City is the front view of the car.The wide,sleek and elegently designed radiator grill gives a refreashing look to the car.The dimesions of the car are almost similar to those of the older model.The sharp lines on the hood gives the city some attitude on the road.The boot space is increased about 25%,from 400ltrs to 506ltrs.But the good news doesnt end there,under the hood,There is a fairly powerful 1.3L SOHC VTEC engine.which produces a healthy 100bhp,enough for a 1.3L car.But dont think that you would have to lose something on the fuel economy side to get this sort of power.The fuel economy is actually improved.Some indian car expert magzines gave the figures of 22km/ltr for the auto transmission,which is the best in its class.The emission standards are improved as well.Previous city was Euro 3 compliant,but the new city is Euro 4 compliant.which means that your car is enviornment friendly.The only thing which you need to be concered about is the interior,which feels abit cramped campared to the previous City,but there is a reason to it.In the pervious city.the hood and the trunk had only a small portion of the exterior length covered,and the cabin was much bigger,which gave nice interior space,but from outside,the car looked ugly to some eyes.To correct this ugliness,the car was redesigned with increased hood and trunk length from outside,this made it look much better but the drawback was the lesser interior space.The second thing was the missing silver portions on the interior bits and panels of the Pakistani City.The interior would have felt lively only if some spots of it would have been in silver color.But you have alot other advantages,like 15" rims,ABS as standard,vtec engine,details of fuel milage on a special screen in the speedometer,huge boot and many other small things. In a nutshel,the new Honda City is much more refined comparitively to the previous one.The basic things which matter alot have been improved like the engine and the exterior design.The ride of the car is also improved,thanks to the small changes in the suspension.All in all,its still a great package if you see it the value-for-money way in Pakistani market atleast.


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    Fuel Consumption:- The 2005 face-lifted Honda City i-DSI achieved an impressive 26.2km per liter of fuel consumption during a challenge in June 2007. The challenge requires the vehicle to be occupied by 4 persons (including the driver), air conditioning being switched on and a load of luggage. The whole route stretched more than 660km that consists of not only highway driving but also hill climbing. ==================================== Source:-My self mostly,wikipedia and Honda atlas.


    In Short:- In short,according to me,all this proves that Honda City has been a great car for a family to have at all times for more than a decade now.It has proven its self to be a complete car one would need at a price tag it is available for.An im one of the thousands of satisfied owners of it for the past one year. Now all we need are your comments and thoughts upon this small wonder.And also do make sure you post some pix of your own city if you have,of any model.Please feel free to express your feelings about this car.

    Maintainence schedule:-

    There have been a lot of queries regarding the maintainence shedule of Honda City. To help find members and guests find this information easily and quickly, i am writing the complete maintainence shedule which i have been following for the past 5 years for my car (180,000kms).Cost of completing the job may/may not be stated. Some of it may not be the same as that in maintainence book provided by Honda people. In that case, i ll state the reason of the difference.Here goes.

    Oils:-
    Havoline formula 10W30 (3.7ltr) and oil filter change @ 3000kms. Cost 1900rs

    Transmission oil (Manual transmission) 2 ltr @ 40,000kms.
    Honda original oil 1980rs (2ltr)
    Good quality Zic/ micking oil 800rs (2ltr)

    Transmission oil ( Automatic transmission) 2lre @ 35,000kms
    Honda CVT oil ONLY (3.2-3.4L.) 1980rs

    Brake oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if padel feels very soft n goes wayy down.
    Honda original oil

    Clutch operation oil
    Keep it topped up and change only if you it shows signs of trouble

    Parts change:-

    Brake pads change:-
    recommended @ 30,000kms
    Can use any good quality pads. (labour 400rs for 4 wheels plus pads, from 500rs to 2500rs)

    Fuel filter change @ 40,000kms (IF driven on petrol)

    Air filter change @ 10,000kms Original Honda filter is best.Good quality guard filter is good too.
    980rs for OEM, 350rs for Guard filter.

    Spark plugs @ 20,000kms Original Honda plugs (8 plugs for idsi. 4 for steermatic, new city ivtec and before-2003 model City)

    Timing belt. Not required. From 2003 onwards, all honda Citys have timing chains instead of belts.They usually last a life time.

    Tune-ups :-

    Throttle body service @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs
    Tappets adjustment / valve clearence @ 20,000kms Cost around 500rs

    Brake adjustment front not required after pads change. rear @ 30,000kms (or when front pads changed)

    Expected Life of Some parts:-

    Brake pads 35,000kms if driven aggressively ( cost already mentioned)
    Clutch plate 110,000kms if driven aggressively ( around 2000rs labour and 6000rs for clutch+pressure plate)
    Clutch bearing 150,000kms (So change with clutch plate) (800rs)
    Tuneups can be delayed to 30,000kms IF the car is run in clean enviornment like in Islamabad etc (less dust)
    Engine oil change can be delays to 5,000kms but not good in long run.

    Service Manual Honda City ids-i 2003-2008:-
    http://www.putlocker.com/file/CED54F8B8FB00360

    Tip for keeping automatic transmission (Vario and steermatic) healthy on CNG:-
    Change engine oil at 3,000kms MAX.
    Tranny oil at 30,000kms
    Tune up (throttle and valve clearence) at 20,000kms
    Do NOT ignore idleing problems. Rough idleing means jerks to transmission and thats what kills it on CNG.
    Keep air filter clean and change at 10,000kms max.

    Instrument cluster cleaning DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...ening-cleaning
    Console box opening and spray painting DIY
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/d-i...-respray-diy-1
    A/c service, the easy way
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/air...ck-c-service-1
    Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...g-kallar-kahar
    2nd Honda City GTG at kallar kahar
    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/get...ar-23-dec-12-a

    Thats all for now.
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    Btw i checked there are two bottles in side bonnet on extreme left side ....one was small in cylindrical shape and other was round bottle..i checked the bigger bottle which is in round shape & there was very less oil in it ...i m having brake oil of guard with me ...but confirm me which is brake fluid bottle
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    Quote Originally Posted by speedster_101 View Post
    Thanks @DeeAar,shahidims and ahmadbila for telling me the colours of new Honda City i-VTEC
    I like red/maroon colour very much. What do you guys say about that colour. What is its exact name, is it Pear Red?
    @Shahidims
    Can you tell me what are the features which are written on website but are not actually provided in the car?
    I personally like White & Gray (Polish Metal).
    I have Polish Metal & will upload pics in a day or two.
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    Salamz All,

    Here are pics of my Ride.
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    @DeeAar
    MashAllah your car is looking very good. Drive safe.
    Also comment on its rear leg space. Is it ample, satisfactory or less?
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    The previous model of Honda City (iDSI) was having 8 sparking plugs.
    Does the new model (i-VTEC) also have 8 sparking plugs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by speedster_101 View Post
    @DeeAar
    MashAllah your car is looking very good. Drive safe.
    Also comment on its rear leg space. Is it ample, satisfactory or less?
    @Speedster_101

    Thanx for comments.

    You can rate it between ample & satisfactory.

    For me its more than ample bcoz I moved from Cuore to City so feel huge difference but for other users it may be in between.

    For plugs difference let MASTER AHMAD to comment but I think new version got 4 of them.
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    @DeeAar. MA wink wink.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeAar View Post
    @Speedster_101

    Thanx for comments.

    You can rate it between ample & satisfactory.

    For me its more than ample bcoz I moved from Cuore to City so feel huge difference but for other users it may be in between.

    For plugs difference let MASTER AHMAD to comment but I think new version got 4 of them.
    Thanks DeeAar for your comment regarding rear leg space.
    Tell me that is this car 1299cc or 1300cc?
    And if it is 1300cc than I think it can not be registered in 1000-1299cc category and in such a case its registration charges would be more than Xli. Please comment.
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    AOA

    is new city's ECU OBD-2 compliant?
    if yes where can i buy this device?
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    Quote Originally Posted by speedster_101 View Post
    Thanks DeeAar for your comment regarding rear leg space.
    Tell me that is this car 1299cc or 1300cc?
    And if it is 1300cc than I think it can not be registered in 1000-1299cc category and in such a case its registration charges would be more than Xli. Please comment.
    @ Speedster_101

    Its 1299 CC.
    Registeration costed me Rs. 32 K plus 2 K charged by Honda Dealer for their service fee ( It includes Tax payment & Number Plate fee ) i.e. a total of Rs. 34 K.

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    I have no idea about this. MASTER Ahmad is requested to update all about this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shazi_00 View Post
    @ahmad
    Bro i m feeling some jerks if i pressed the race pedal less in second gear and even in third ...this behavior is just on CNG although i had done the tunning ...the guy cleaned plugs etc but prob is still there ..this is only when i press race padel less ...but on the other hand on petrol with that much pedal pressed i m not having any problem...
    and second prob how to check brake fluid coz some i times when i press the brake there is some sound like when metal is rubbed with some iron ..but brake is fine no issue in it ..so i thought to see the fluid ..there are two bottles inside i m unable to locate which one is used for brake fluid..kindly help me out.....
    Sorry for late reply.didnt check in on the thread for a while.

    i think this is the usual cng adjustment setting.its hardly a 5min job to be done by an expert cng mechanic but only IF ur cars' throttle body is clean and tappets are well adjusted.if not, u ll need to get that done first (needs to be done every 20,000kms)

    The larger round bottle which u stated in ur next post is the one for brake oil. if the sound is always there when u brake and its a squeeling sound (cheeennnn) then u need to change the brake pads on the front wheels.its an easy and cheap job.labour around 200rs and pads from 500rs-2000rs, all qualities do just fine.and do NOT fill the oil before changing the pads, because when u ll put new pads, the brake cylinder will be pushed back and will automatically rise the level of oil in the bottle.however, if it remains less even after that, then u must top it to the max level.

    as for the 2nd smaller bottle just beside the larger one, its for the oil for operating clutch.most new cars have hydrolic clutches, which means that its operated by pressure of oil (just like brakes) and not by wires.keep that to a reasonable level too.
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    @deeaar
    big bro thanx for compliments im not an expert though.
    talking about ur car, it look really nice and clean.n i just love the seatcovers, they are giving a new life to the interior.a very nice idea of adding the two tone effect to the seats too.
    @speedster
    the rear leg room of this new city is good.better then my idsi (when both front seats moved to full back position) and no, this new ivtec city and even the previous city steermatic both donot have they 8 plug configuration.they have just 4 plugs.
    as for the CC thing, bro no car on earth is complete 1300cc.this new city is 1296cc (most 1300cc cars are actually 1296cc, xli too) the idsi was 1248cc. civic 1.6 is 1598cc or sumthing like that.the tax guys dont let u write the cars as 1296cc cuz they do want more n more cars to fall in upper slabs and hence pay more
    registration charges for new city were 50k plus for isb.i think 56k.

    @my666
    yes, honda city 2003 onwards is OBD-II compliant.
    this can tool is a very nice device, my mechanic has one n he scans my car using this.never asked him where he got it from but i dont think its easily available in pakistan.u ll probably have to get one shipped form sumwhere else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeAar View Post
    @ Speedster_101

    Its 1299 CC.
    Registeration costed me Rs. 32 K plus 2 K charged by Honda Dealer for their service fee ( It includes Tax peyment & Number Plate fee ) i.e. a total of Rs. 34 K.
    interesting. well mine costed me 56000/= for islamabad number (including 8000/= fee of not being resident of Islamabad). m talking abt city 2010.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shahidims View Post
    interesting. well mine costed me 56000/= for islamabad number (including 8000/= fee of not being resident of Islamabad). m talking abt city 2010.
    Yup! thats the price of isb registrations.sindh regt. is cheaper.
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    Thanks Ahmadbila and DeeAar for clearing my confusions about Honda City 2010.
    About leg space I have heard from many people that in new city, the bonnet and diggi is bigger than iDSI and hence the cabin space and leg room is small. So are they referring to front leg space?
    Also on Honda's website they have listed the ground clearance of new city as 160mm which is equal to 6.3 inches. What is the ground clearance in City iDSI and new corolla?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmadbila View Post

    @speedster
    as for the CC thing, bro no car on earth is complete 1300cc.this new city is 1296cc (most 1300cc cars are actually 1296cc, xli too) the idsi was 1248cc. civic 1.6 is 1598cc or sumthing like that.the tax guys dont let u write the cars as 1296cc cuz they do want more n more cars to fall in upper slabs and hence pay more
    registration charges for new city were 50k plus for isb.i think 56k.
    Suzuki Swift is an exception
    It is called 1300cc but actually it is 1328cc
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    guys can you tell me the price of Islamabad regd citi 2010 model.
    thanx
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    Quote Originally Posted by onlyfaith View Post
    guys can you tell me the price of Islamabad regd citi 2010 model.
    thanx
    in my opinion it must not be less than 1250000/= if in very good condition and insured. because it saves registration and insurance cost as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shahidims View Post
    in my opinion it must not be less than 1250000/= if in very good condition and insured. because it saves registration and insurance cost as well.

    @Shahid
    Perfect price quote.

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    For me it may be in between 12.5 to 13 depending on car.
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    Quote Originally Posted by speedster_101 View Post
    Thanks Ahmadbila and DeeAar for clearing my confusions about Honda City 2010.
    About leg space I have heard from many people that in new city, the bonnet and diggi is bigger than iDSI and hence the cabin space and leg room is small. So are they referring to front leg space?
    Also on Honda's website they have listed the ground clearance of new city as 160mm which is equal to 6.3 inches. What is the ground clearance in City iDSI and new corolla?
    Front leg room is certainly lesser then idsi! im not saying that u dont feel comfortable or u ll be cramped if u are tall, im just saying that the space in idsi is more then a tall n heavy person needs, in new city, its enough.feel the difference
    as for ground clearence, i think idsi had 160mm too but new city hits bumps a bit more then idsi.dont know why, may be the configuration is so that the lowest part is in the middle of front and rear wheels or sumthing like that.
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