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    I bought this car 5 months back. It had been running very good, until last month when it started to have heating issues. Got the radiator serviced two times, no good! It would actually loose a lot of water from the radiator and through out a lot of bubbles. My mechanic told me that it might be related to a blown gasket. So I had him open up the engine. The gasket was blown plus, my worst nightmare... the engine head's exterior edges were worn out and rusted


    I had him fix the head by applying Magic Depoxi. But even that hasn't solved the problem, my radiator would still loose a lot of water. I have completely stopped using the AC now days, (think about the hot weather!! ).


    So I just need your honest expert opinion on what to do or whats the best solution? I have the following in my mind:

    1. Sell out this one with/without having the problem fixed/li
    2. Have the engine's head fixed by latthe machine (would that fix the problem, and would I be able to turn on AC?? )/li


    Also if I get it fixed as I mentioned above, how long lasting would that solution be? I have already invested in getting the issue fixed, but have just lost a lot of money!


    Thanks, a lot! waiting for your suggestions. Need help


    Sarfaraz

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    sarfraz bro sell it without repairing it.from ur post i think
    ye gari ap ke dil se utar chuki hai

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    very true billa! main kafi badgumaan ho chuka hoon

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    Did u check thermostat and fan speed?
    Suggestions required

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    panic: not specifically. When my car would run out of water, it would turn off and the yellow LED would turn on. The temperature bar shows normal temperature (around half). If I would just try to start the car right after, it wouldn't start. If I let it cool for like 10 min, and fill the water up again, It would start up.

    I believe the fan speed is fine. BTW how do I determine if the fan is upto the speed?

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    Dear Sarfraz , AOA
    Bro first of all i suggest to visit any Honda Dealer and see what they say/diagnose?
    Secondly i doubt your car engine may had a heat up which damaged the head Gaskit.
    You have not mentioned engine temprature indicator level? thirdly fan speed can be one of the problem.
    Please also check temperature sensor of the radiator.
    lastly u asked about fixing the problem by lathe machine yes this is the best solution of your problem and definetly its long lasting. there is no issue with that.

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    Hi Usman thanks.

    So I had my car checked up by a Honda 2S dealer on computer. They say that its the CKP (crank shaft position? ) sensor thats faulting. Also that my radiator cap's valve was out of order (not working) and they had changed my radiator cap. I'll have the CKP sensor replaced on saturday, and will let you guys know if that resolved the issue.

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    y didnt u get the head faced when it was open?

    if its to bad to be machined or fixed get a kabli head(simple)

    if the CKP is malfunctioning why isnt the engine check light on ?
    Life is short and very unpredictable just like a Quarter mile .....

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    panic: not specifically. When my car would run out of water, it would turn off and the yellow LED would turn on. The temperature bar shows normal temperature (around half). If I would just try to start the car right after, it wouldn't start. If I let it cool for like 10 min, and fill the water up again, It would start up.





    i was about to tell u the same... u r havin problem in ur crank shaft sensors... they work fine when u start the car but when it starts to get heat up they stop working... i had same problem wd my 01 vti prosmatec... get em changed frm sun honda dealer... it il resolve ur problem...
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    @ hash4u...





    sir i dn thnk the prob is wd head gas kit... otherwise temperature gauge shdnt stay in the mid... by yellow check light i guess he means the engine check light...
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    missed reading his reply in the middle

    Agree with maaddyy
    Life is short and very unpredictable just like a Quarter mile .....

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    @sarfarazsoomro yar exactly same thing happened to my car 3 dayz bak!! my khyber was making bubbles in the radiator and the car was heating up wid and widout ac.i just noticed tat the water level is also dropping.finally i saw my self tat only HOUSE PIPE was torn.

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    Hmm what kind of mechanic you got? who fixed ur car's rusted head with Magic i mean us ko tu litar marna chaheya.


    As Hash said get your car's head surfaced from a good kharadia if head is badly wraped than you can get a qabli one for your car paisa tu lag jaye gey but ek dafa sub fit hojaye ga plus when you open up the engine if possible Ring Dal do engine ka original so for 3 to 4 years sukoon hojaye ga.


    you know why head was rusted? Because the previous owner was not using coolant in the car always use coolant in the car this will prevent these aluminium heads to get rusted and use only caltex coolant or DK.


    If money is the prob tu phir sale kardo lekin i feel you should get it repaired lekin koi acha mechanic dondho yaar aisa na ho jo bar bar head he kholta rah jaye.
    Speed costs money, how fast can you afford to go.

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    vaqas, maddy, hash, zeej, thanks for the replies bros.

    As I mentioned above that I had it checked up by a good honda pitstop dealer in Karachi. I told them the entire story, they checked if the gasket is burnt/ or the head/block is rusted. According to them if the gasket/head/block have problems, the radiator will sprout water up with the radiator cap open on selfing the car. They said it's working fine. I believe the earlier fix is still intact has taken care of the issue. So the only issue according to them, when they checked it up on computer was with the CKP sensor. I will have it replaced InshAllah tomorrow.

    I also wanted to know whether the coolant would eat up the magic that was put on earlier, since it contains chemicals? I am using normal pet water in the radiator.

    "you know why head was rusted? Because the previous owner was not using coolant in the car always use coolant in the car this will prevent these aluminium heads to get rusted and use only caltex coolant or DK."

    Vaqas1: I believe the previous owner had been using hard water (khara pani) in the radiator

    Thanks,
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    Ok guys heres the update.

    The sensor I had been talking about wasn't CKP instead it was TDP (Top Dead Point) sensor. After changing the sensor, we took the car out for a test drive (cng+ac), and just after like 5 KM, the temperature bar would show over heating. I stop the car and park it on a side, turn the ac off and keep the engine running, the temperature came back to normal in 5 min.

    Back in the workshop after the 1st test drive we had to fill up around 500 ml of water in the radiator. The mechanic checked for any leaks but didn't find any. After that we took the car out for another test drive, and this time we drove over 30 KM (cng+ac), without the car showing a little sign of over heating. So I was happy that the problem had finally been resolved. I made the payment. On my way back home, after a while the car would again start over heating, as soon as the temperature bar would cross half, I turned the AC off(just the AC and I keep on driving), and the temperature came back to normal in 2-3 minutes. When the temperature would come back to normal I would again turn the AC on, and I tried the routine like 6-7 times, and each time the same behaviour. Reaching home, and letting the car cool down, I had to put around 1 Ltr of water in the radiator again :-s

    So I know that I have been writing very lengthy descriptions, but I would just like to know what might be the problem that the temperature would stay normal without AC and with AC the car would loose water and eventually temperature would rise.

    Thanks for your help,
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    Does it decrease water without AC On? Check it. If it does, definitely there's problem with head facing/gasket..... If it doesn't, there may b following problems......

    1. May b some blockage in cooling system.
    2. May b filter (bottle type) is chocked.
    3. Wrong type of gas is used in cooling system
    4. Cooling system is over-filled with gas.
    5. Radiator might have some blockage

    Now 1st of all check, whether it decreases water without AC or not. If it does, head facing/gasket is problem, if not, get cooling system and radiator serviced

    Now as u said u r not using coolant.... Use it. I was having the problem of little heat up with (not much) with AC and after that, decreased water level in radiator but not that much, just about a cup of tea. Serviced the radiator, put coolant in it.... Every problem is gone Shukar Alhamdo Lillah. Its about 2 weeks ive done this and till now ive not put a single drop of water in radiator. AC full time ON in peak hours like dopeher k 2-3 baje and roaming in local
    Suggestions required

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    Thanks, panic, I'll perform these tests tomorrow morning InshAllah.
    As for using coolant, I'll also be putting it in tomorrow.

    Thanks,
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    well jo lag raha hai that is gaskit prob. Waisa bhi Depoxi seal wala totka max 1 month he chalna tha in ur case it failed early.
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    Vaqas1: yep it looks like that yar, but kal bus aakhri test karta hoon. The only thing thats itching me is that there are no bubbles, water sprouts i.e the indicator that head gasket might be the issue.

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    Hello guys,

    So panic, today I drove more than 280 KM (140 x 2) (without AC) on super highway. So after 140 KM stopped the car; let it cool down for 25 min and check the water. It had lost water and I had to fillup around 600ml of water to get the radiator full again. Driving back and now at home I haven't yet checked the water level as the car is still hot but I am sure it would have lost some water coz when I turned the AC on for a while (15 min) the temperature started to rise, so I had to turn the AC off and the temperature returned to normal.

    So, what does it look to you guys? a head gasket issue? I read somewhere that if the head gasket is blown the car would throw colored exhaust from the silencer. What do you think? Is it possible that the thermostat valve might be faulting??

    Thanks,
    Sarfaraz

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