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    Default 12 HT price?

    Salam..Guys what is the price of 12 HT engine in immaculate condition these days??
    and where to get it from?? Suggestions


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    Very rare engine nowadays. Easier to find a good condition 1HZ....
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    Will not be less than 2.5 lacs, including turbo (gear not included). Turbo only is around 45000

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    hmm. and what about multivavle??
    also whats the difference between 1hd t and 1hd ft? @noman8ff @suhaib Kiani

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    I personally think that a 1HZ is a lot more refined than a 12H-T or a 2H, and if I am not wrong the former being the direct injection.

    12H-T is also known for its high fuel consumption...now if you can avoid a 12H-T, go for a 1HZ, your life will be a lot better.
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    and how much will 1 HZ cost??

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    Quote Originally Posted by hsumbal1 View Post
    I personally think that a 1HZ is a lot more refined than a 12H-T or a 2H, and if I am not wrong the former being the direct injection.

    12H-T is also known for its high fuel consumption...now if you can avoid a 12H-T, go for a 1HZ, your life will be a lot better.
    I am not quite sure what refinement you are referring to, since both are straight sixes with a good bit of balance built into the design. By no means a 1HZ is substantially more fuel efficient than a 12H-T. A factory spec 12H-T is very good on fuel contrary to what many say here. More importantly, especially since it is a TD all the economy is under the right foot. Also, it is alot more powerful and a treat both on and off road. Some say that it is 'over powered'. I say there is really no such thing as an overpowered engine/vehicle. It feels so off road because its throttle tune is not asymmetric like on the 1HZ and the 1HD-T/1HD-FT.

    Also, its the 12H-T that is direct injected and not the 1HZ.
    Flat six flattening things out!

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    Quote Originally Posted by HamzahF View Post
    I am not quite sure what refinement you are referring to, since both are straight sixes with a good bit of balance built into the design. By no means a 1HZ is substantially more fuel efficient than a 12H-T. A factory spec 12H-T is very good on fuel contrary to what many say here. More importantly, especially since it is a TD all the economy is under the right foot. Also, it is alot more powerful and a treat both on and off road. Some say that it is 'over powered'. I say there is really no such thing as an overpowered engine/vehicle. It feels so off road because its throttle tune is not asymmetric like on the 1HZ and the 1HD-T/1HD-FT.

    Also, its the 12H-T that is direct injected and not the 1HZ.
    @HamzahF bhai..Loved the sentence " It feels so off road because its throttle tune is not asymmetric like on the 1HZ and the 1HD-T/1HD-FT. "
    I am just in love with 12 HT but the damn thing is so expensive!
    Bhai do you have a good HJ 61 in mind. original non body changed.. @noman8ff

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    Quote Originally Posted by HamzahF View Post
    I am not quite sure what refinement you are referring to, since both are straight sixes with a good bit of balance built into the design. By no means a 1HZ is substantially more fuel efficient than a 12H-T. A factory spec 12H-T is very good on fuel contrary to what many say here. More importantly, especially since it is a TD all the economy is under the right foot. Also, it is alot more powerful and a treat both on and off road. Some say that it is 'over powered'. I say there is really no such thing as an overpowered engine/vehicle. It feels so off road because its throttle tune is not asymmetric like on the 1HZ and the 1HD-T/1HD-FT.

    Also, its the 12H-T that is direct injected and not the 1HZ.
    I am afraid I do not know the technical side of both these engines, but I have driven both and I can easily say that 1HZ feels a lot better. Currently I am running it in my 40, and on highway it is returning me the millage which I think is phenomenal for a 4.2 liter lump. And it is quieter too as compared to a 12H-T
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    Quote Originally Posted by hsumbal1 View Post
    I am afraid I do not know the technical side of both these engines, but I have driven both and I can easily say that 1HZ feels a lot better. Currently I am running it in my 40, and on highway it is returning me the millage which I think is phenomenal for a 4.2 liter lump. And it is quieter too as compared to a 12H-T
    Dear Sir please share the mileage of 1HZ I am a big fan of it, an optimum choice of fuel efficiency without compromising output.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hsumbal1 View Post
    I am afraid I do not know the technical side of both these engines, but I have driven both and I can easily say that 1HZ feels a lot better. Currently I am running it in my 40, and on highway it is returning me the millage which I think is phenomenal for a 4.2 liter lump. And it is quieter too as compared to a 12H-T
    The 12HT is mucho older than the 1HZ and the one in Sumbul's 40 which is probably out of a 70 or 100 series UN type vehicle. As much as I am a fan of the older Toyota diesels I don't think its fair to compare a 12HT out of an 60 series to a 1HZ out of a 100/105 series....
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    Guruus!! please someone find me a good HJ61???

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    Quote Originally Posted by gallian007 View Post
    Guruus!! please someone find me a good HJ61???
    My advice would be buy some govt auction vehicle and restore it. It is cheaper and easy. Finding a good kept hj61 is hard and if there any it will set you back around 7.5 minimum.
    What i would to is get a govt acution vehicle + 1hd-ft engine auto trans and 80 series tubes with diffs. Re do suspension and bit of body work and i am good to go.
    But thats what i think and its wht i only think lol.

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    This vehicle to you really huge and if you want resonable clearence minimum it should have 33" tires and appropriate suspension lift to fit them. And atleast i cant live with it as a daily driver.

    I would look for a 3 door 70 series with original 12ht or 13bt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gallian007 View Post
    Guruus!! please someone find me a good HJ61???
    Quote Originally Posted by qwertypoiu View Post
    My advice would be buy some govt auction vehicle and restore it. It is cheaper and easy. Finding a good kept hj61 is hard and if there any it will set you back around 7.5 minimum.
    What i would to is get a govt acution vehicle + 1hd-ft engine auto trans and 80 series tubes with diffs. Re do suspension and bit of body work and i am good to go.
    But thats what i think and its wht i only think lol.

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    This vehicle to you really huge and if you want resonable clearence minimum it should have 33" tires and appropriate suspension lift to fit them. And atleast i cant live with it as a daily driver.

    I would look for a 3 door 70 series with original 12ht or 13bt.
    Sir I am ready to pay 7-7.5 provided its a good car and non body changed. Actually I want to buy it for my father. He is sick and cannot travel in small cars. also as my budget is limited, HJ 61 seem to me as the best option(otherwise I would love to go for a 80 for my father if I had money)
    Keeping budget aside, we just love HJ. Btw I do own a BJ61 but us ka wo maza nahein.

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    1hd-t gives me 7km/l in urban n depending on ur driving style gives up to 9.5-10 km/l on long route !

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    Quote Originally Posted by hsumbal1 View Post
    I am afraid I do not know the technical side of both these engines, but I have driven both and I can easily say that 1HZ feels a lot better. Currently I am running it in my 40, and on highway it is returning me the millage which I think is phenomenal for a 4.2 liter lump. And it is quieter too as compared to a 12H-T
    Sire, a diesel is only as good as the compression ratio it manages. The 1HZ you drove was newer which is why it is likely that it was managing good/factory compression numbers. The 12H-T being a lot older was probably a bit down on compression due to the wear accumulated over the years. Add to this the fact that being a TD it came with 16 something : 1 compression ratio whereas the 1HZ being NA comes with 20 something : 1. So you can very well see how age and wear would have lead to the feel you got when you drove it. I am not even talking about the turbo on the 12H-T which seems to be the Achilles heel on this motor.

    Having said that, both engines in near factory condition, the 12H-T absolutely blows the 1HZ away on road especially when the turbo starts playing. Off idle though, the 1HZ MIGHT push your back to the seat a bit more, again due to a higher CR. To make up for the lag, Toyota offered the 12H-t with a 2 something transfer ratio in low range which makes up plenty for any off-turbo gutlessness that you might worry about while crawling, in fact many people observe that this engine is too jumpy off road.

    With regard to the sound it makes, I'll have you know that you might be liable to persecution for committing blasphemy . What gear/diffs are you turning with your 1HZ in the 40?
    Flat six flattening things out!

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