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    Default help required: civic vti 02 or vti oriel 05

    assalam o alaikom brothers.

    dear fellows, i need ur honest opinion on a matter for that m v confused. the matter is i own a 2002 rose mist vti prosmatic ug (leather interior) totally in genuine condition ma sha ALLAH, only bumpers sprayed, 67k on the odo, honda maintained and without cng. i have this car for about 2 years, i bought it from 1st owner. now, the confusion is about that one of my friend is selling his 2005 eagle eyes vti oriel 2005 prosmatic in black colour, 44k on the odo bumper to bumper genuine. not a single scratch ma sha ALLAH. that too without cng, honda maintained throughout. now, i have following querries in mind if ur valuable suggestions solve them:

    1. is it wise to sell mine n go for 05 oriel, i have friends who r willing to get my car anytime so no issue with sale in sha ALLAH.
    2. i intend to keep the car for longer term either of them so does both of them have same build quality exterior and interior wise.
    3. i have driven that car also, there's hardly any difference in drive other than 05 civic being a bit heavier and its driving seat posture is a bit raised as compared to mine 02 civic.
    4. i keep my cars with great care, so interior of my civic seems no fading in future in sha ALLAH, including auto gear lever, but as interior of 05 civic in longer run, i have doubts in mind that its silver finish around gear and hand brake lever may fade(as now, its almost new) and hand brake lever chrome ring may break because i have seen many civics with broken chrome ring which seems of low quality. any idea??
    5. there's neither any work nor need in both the cars ma sha ALLAH
    6. quality and maintenance issues???
    so please guide me what to do?? in sha ALLAH my car has buyers of above 800k and that 05 civic has price tag of about 1.2 million.. i like that car v much so intend to go for that. n yes both the cars are khi registered. please brothers help me to decide better keeping in view that i intend to keep the car not to change on frequent basis...

    thanks

    looking forward for ur valuable inputs


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    There is no difference in engine or any other thing except head lights and interior and this is relly very hard to find a low mileage genuine eagle eye these days you should go for it if you are willing to upgrade your model. The interior won't fade if you mantain regularly and take care. I've seen broken handbrake chromes of abused cars only. BOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by kskhan86 View Post
    assalam o alaikom brothers.

    dear fellows, i need ur honest opinion on a matter for that m v confused. the matter is i own a 2002 rose mist vti prosmatic ug (leather interior) totally in genuine condition ma sha ALLAH, only bumpers sprayed, 67k on the odo, honda maintained and without cng. i have this car for about 2 years, i bought it from 1st owner. now, the confusion is about that one of my friend is selling his 2005 eagle eyes vti oriel 2005 prosmatic in black colour, 44k on the odo bumper to bumper genuine. not a single scratch ma sha ALLAH. that too without cng, honda maintained throughout. now, i have following querries in mind if ur valuable suggestions solve them:

    1. is it wise to sell mine n go for 05 oriel, i have friends who r willing to get my car anytime so no issue with sale in sha ALLAH.
    2. i intend to keep the car for longer term either of them so does both of them have same build quality exterior and interior wise.
    3. i have driven that car also, there's hardly any difference in drive other than 05 civic being a bit heavier and its driving seat posture is a bit raised as compared to mine 02 civic.
    4. i keep my cars with great care, so interior of my civic seems no fading in future in sha ALLAH, including auto gear lever, but as interior of 05 civic in longer run, i have doubts in mind that its silver finish around gear and hand brake lever may fade(as now, its almost new) and hand brake lever chrome ring may break because i have seen many civics with broken chrome ring which seems of low quality. any idea??
    5. there's neither any work nor need in both the cars ma sha ALLAH
    6. quality and maintenance issues???
    so please guide me what to do?? in sha ALLAH my car has buyers of above 800k and that 05 civic has price tag of about 1.2 million.. i like that car v much so intend to go for that. n yes both the cars are khi registered. please brothers help me to decide better keeping in view that i intend to keep the car not to change on frequent basis...

    thanks

    looking forward for ur valuable inputs
    Brother the question is what difference you will pay to upgrade to your friend's 05 Oriel.

    Interior material and silver lining is same and will not fade for 10 years easily.

    You will get:

    front double beam headlight
    rear crystal lights
    Sunroof
    Driver seat height adjustment.
    Map lights
    Kenwood MP3 Player with 10 CD Changer
    Better beige interior
    Better colour black vs Rosemist
    optitron meters
    Reverse chime in "R" mode.
    Better 7 spoke alloys with 185/65R15.

    You will lose:

    High tax 2,500/year for 02 VTi to 5,800/year for 05 VTi.
    UG Leather interior.

    I say if the trade-in will cost you 100-150K then it might be feasible.

    For more than 150K its useless to tradein vehicles.

    "i have driven that car also, there's hardly any difference in drive other than 05 civic being a bit heavier and its driving seat posture is a bit raised as compared to mine 02 civic."

    I cant understand that statement 02 VTi and 05 VTi should be identical even the springs and damping rates are same.

    The difference in drive could be due to driver seat position, different size of tyres, steering rack and power steering / suspension conditions.

    If by heavier you mean it was slow or shifting gears late then it is not a good sign.

    The simple trick to test these cars is is to take both cars on a highway / freeway street on Sunday and check which car takes the lead upto 140km/hr in 'D' . Then repeat the process by locking the transmission in 'D3" and finally lock the transmission in "2nd" gear upto 100km/hr. It will give you an apple to apple comparison of engine and transmission condition of both cars.

    The hard way is to take both the cars to Honda dealership and ask them for compression check of all 4 cylinders and RPM test of Transmission shift in each position. They will charge Rs. 3,000/-

    I dont know who will pay 1.2M for a 2005 Civic not even in Punjab as its KHi number and non transferable.

    Just Call Honda South Karachi they have sold a similar car (my car) for 860,000 in December 2013 it was a 2005 December VTi Oriel Prosmatec UG version 82,000 km with Continental ContiPremiumContact5 tyres which alone worth 12K/tyre.

    Both Honda Sharah-e-Faisal and Honda Drive Inn have a dozen 2005 Prosmatec for sale all Honda maintained for Banks / Multinationals selling for 840K for petrol cars with no touchup or just bumper change. CNG models 2004-06 and repaint cars are selling for 800K max.

    I had a 2006 June VTi Oriel Prosmatec UG with just 40,000 km on odometer. Sold the car to a PW member in 2012 because my neighbor bought a black Steermatic and he used to intentionally regularly overtake me from the wrong side on my daily route to office and home and I could not do anything to stop him.
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    ^^ bradpit bro

    thanx alot brother, i ve talked to honda drive in guy as per ur recommendation to inquire about any car.. he is the one to whom we both take the cars for regular maintenance. but at present, there's no such car available, and secondly he has said that such available cars are not at par as far as these two cars condition is concerned.

    secondly brother, for how much u sold ur 2006 oriel, 40k driven?? so i may have an idea. and was it bumper to bumper in original paint??

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    ^^^ bradpit bro

    there's was no issue of suspension or engine either.. by feeling heavy i meant that its gas pedal had a more firm feeling than mine as mine is a bit softer.. thats it..

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    Meray bhai dono cars superb hyn but i think main issue yeh hy k aap k 4 lacs uss me add kernay parein *** ager aap 2002 laytay hyn tu aap k wohi paisay save ho jain *** jo aap k business me profit ka inshallah bais bannay *** ager aap status type dekhain tu 2005 best rahay ge aur mazeed aap ko 10 years tak koi parts problem nhi ho ge.waisay ager paisay kam wali car layni hy tu 02 the best hy aur ager easily extra hyn tu ap 05 lain inshallah Allah aap k naseeb me handaana karay aamin

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    bro i already own this 02 wali.. but i like that 05 too much because of its shape and beige interior.. so thats y confused

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    02 is better n since u dont have an isuue in ur car keepp itt.

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    there is difference in engines. The new model has a sensor at the exhaust which gives a little better fuel economy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Retaliator View Post
    there is difference in engines. The new model has a sensor at the exhaust which gives a little better fuel economy.
    bro which model has got which sensor?? do u mean to say that eagle eyes civic has got some sensor, if so then it would definitely b o2 sensor. anyhow i dont know about presence of any sesnor. may some other fellow shed some light over it

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    ^yes the eagle eye.
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    any more valuable inputs from pakwheels members

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    Listen to ur heart & get civic 05 ..
    Nothing is expensive thn ur happiness ..

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    ok hopefully in sha ALLAH m going for then civic 05...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kskhan86 View Post
    ok hopefully in sha ALLAH m going for then civic 05...
    Brother what sre you being offered for your 02 civic in khi ?

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    my couleague is getting it. 830k.. its an exceptional car, seems like brandnew

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    Quote Originally Posted by kskhan86 View Post
    my couleague is getting it. 830k.. its an exceptional car, seems like brandnew
    If your 2002 model is selling up for 830k then how come can you get an 05 in 800k ? This guy is insane please don't follow him. Try getting the eagle eye near 1.1 million

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    yeah i would get eagle eye near 1.1 in sha ALLAH

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