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    Default Axio cvt problems (rumors/reality)?

    i finally decided to get toyota axio x or g over new honda city but some body who sold two axios warned me that cvt transmission in axios making errors after sm time. He said that it get hard , stuck and am weird sounds.

    Is this real that axios got these kind or errors after sm time?

    Axios owners and others professionals i need ur suggestion and opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Majidkhan567 View Post
    how much toyota dealership will charge for checking everything ?
    My friend recently got his car checked he paid 5k.



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    Quote Originally Posted by SER_GTR View Post
    Messed Up CVT ...You Are Ruined......

    In Simple...Its Car To Drive With Light Foot And Like A Good Working Gentleman...A Good Family Man .....!!

    Maintain It And It Will Serve You Good....You Try To Become FNF PEDAL To METAL STYLE On Every Traffic Signal And You Will End Up With Issues Soon.....!

    The Good Thing I Like About CVT Is Their Smooth Comfy butter Ride ...But You Need To Be Calm ....You Just Can't Sit On Throttle Driving CVT's....! For That Stick Shift Is Always Best
    R u saying that cvt only meant for gentle drive and not for hard foot? Even for sm time time when needed? Bro i dont think that cvt is that sensitive !


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    Quote Originally Posted by StrikerX View Post
    Look, CVT demands maintainence while most people totally neglect it here which results in DAED gaddi and a dent in your pocket. Rule # 1 in my book is to carry out thorough routine maintenance jobs on the car when buying a used one, PKDM or JDM.

    Replace the CVT oil every 35-40k km and make sure the procedure to replace is followed correctly and you won't be complaining later on about DAED gaddi.

    Axio itself is a treat to drive, there's no way its drive can be compared to PKDM city or corolla (I've driven both if someone's wondering). Those who have driven the car will know what I am talking about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vajih102 View Post
    Vot is DAED?

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    Haha, its a DOTA2 term. DAED = Dead
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    Quote Originally Posted by shan85 View Post
    R u saying that cvt only meant for gentle drive and not for hard foot? Even for sm time time when needed? Bro i dont think that cvt is that sensitive !


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    If you ever see the temperature spike of the CVT fluid when you really beat on the transmission like full throttle driving uphill with 4 passengers and 3 suitcases above 140 km/h you will know what SER is talking about - your CV transmission life would be ended in a few hours. The CVT fluid sees about 140C temperatures with hard acceleration. Similar situation with shifting A/T would be pretty under control.

    The reason manufacturers chose CVT is that its far far cheaper to manufacture and they sell the whole trans as replacement - so more money in their pockets. econocars are made to make money for the manufacturer - not to satisfy anyones dream of racing it.

    The other silly part I hate about CVT is that - the smaller the engine - the more stupid its drive logic. For me - hand me a shifting automatic anyday over a CVT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SER_GTR View Post
    Messed Up CVT ...You Are Ruined......

    In Simple...Its Car To Drive With Light Foot And Like A Good Working Gentleman...A Good Family Man .....!!

    Maintain It And It Will Serve You Good....You Try To Become FNF PEDAL To METAL STYLE On Every Traffic Signal And You Will End Up With Issues Soon.....!

    The Good Thing I Like About CVT Is Their Smooth Comfy butter Ride ...But You Need To Be Calm ....You Just Can't Sit On Throttle Driving CVT's....! For That Stick Shift Is Always Best

    Cannot be explained better (Y)
    Get over the fact that Xli lacks power windows, Its an Xli because it lacks thoose features or else it would be a Gli or an Altis if had all the goodies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xulfiqar View Post
    If you ever see the temperature spike of the CVT fluid when you really beat on the transmission like full throttle driving uphill with 4 passengers and 3 suitcases above 140 km/h you will know what SER is talking about - your CV transmission life would be ended in a few hours. The CVT fluid sees about 140C temperatures with hard acceleration. Similar situation with shifting A/T would be pretty under control.

    The reason manufacturers chose CVT is that its far far cheaper to manufacture and they sell the whole trans as replacement - so more money in their pockets. econocars are made to make money for the manufacturer - not to satisfy anyones dream of racing it.

    The other silly part I hate about CVT is that - the smaller the engine - the more stupid its drive logic. For me - hand me a shifting automatic anyday over a CVT.
    So u means that latest civic and grande which comes with cvti also will face the same problems?

    So what left to drive then? I guess i have to drive my manual reborn for the rest of my life :p


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    Quote Originally Posted by Xulfiqar View Post
    If you ever see the temperature spike of the CVT fluid when you really beat on the transmission like full throttle driving uphill with 4 passengers and 3 suitcases above 140 km/h you will know what SER is talking about - your CV transmission life would be ended in a few hours. The CVT fluid sees about 140C temperatures with hard acceleration. Similar situation with shifting A/T would be pretty under control.

    The reason manufacturers chose CVT is that its far far cheaper to manufacture and they sell the whole trans as replacement - so more money in their pockets. econocars are made to make money for the manufacturer - not to satisfy anyones dream of racing it.

    The other silly part I hate about CVT is that - the smaller the engine - the more stupid its drive logic. For me - hand me a shifting automatic anyday over a CVT.
    A Good Automatic Is More Heavy And Robust COmpared To CVT's......Yes CVT's Are Smooth But They Can't Take Beating......
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    Quote Originally Posted by shan85 View Post
    R u saying that cvt only meant for gentle drive and not for hard foot? Even for sm time time when needed? Bro i dont think that cvt is that sensitive !


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    What I Mean Is It Can't Take Beating As SOme People Want From It.....!

    Also It Need Special Maintenance COmpared To M/T And A/T
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    If you compare it to power steerings - its like EPS - manufacturers love it because it does 2 things

    1 - increase fuel economy
    2 - very cheap to produce
    3 - very cheap to install and control

    People try to palm the steering wheel which overheats and shuts it down, then they have to visit a workshop again and pay money, In HPS - all that would do is slightly heat up the oil - which would be cooled down very quickly anyway.



    Ever wonder why names like Allison, ZF, Aisin etc dont use CVT in trucks?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xulfiqar View Post
    If you compare it to power steerings - its like EPS - manufacturers love it because it does 2 things

    1 - increase fuel economy
    2 - very cheap to produce
    3 - very cheap to install and control

    People try to palm the steering wheel which overheats and shuts it down, then they have to visit a workshop again and pay money, In HPS - all that would do is slightly heat up the oil - which would be cooled down very quickly anyway.



    Ever wonder why names like Allison, ZF, Aisin etc dont use CVT in trucks?
    So bro what do u suggest to buy ? I mean any preferences over cvt?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Xulfiqar View Post
    If you ever see the temperature spike of the CVT fluid when you really beat on the transmission like full throttle driving uphill with 4 passengers and 3 suitcases above 140 km/h you will know what SER is talking about - your CV transmission life would be ended in a few hours. The CVT fluid sees about 140C temperatures with hard acceleration. Similar situation with shifting A/T would be pretty under control.

    The reason manufacturers chose CVT is that its far far cheaper to manufacture and they sell the whole trans as replacement - so more money in their pockets. econocars are made to make money for the manufacturer - not to satisfy anyones dream of racing it.

    The other silly part I hate about CVT is that - the smaller the engine - the more stupid its drive logic. For me - hand me a shifting automatic anyday over a CVT.
    140C is the upper limit/threshold of the CVT oil? Usually the CVT temp stays near coolant temperature, <100C. Never really looked at the CVT temp after a long drive
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    What I am getting from the above is that if one wants to drive auto but drive having fun/aggressiveness, normal AT is better and more robust than CVT. CVT is only if you want to get from point A to B while remaining within the speed limit and driving economically. With regards to transmission maintenance, MT > AT > CVT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StrikerX View Post
    Look, CVT demands maintainence while most people totally neglect it here which results in DAED gaddi and a dent in your pocket. Rule # 1 in my book is to carry out thorough routine maintenance jobs on the car when buying a used one, PKDM or JDM.

    Replace the CVT oil every 35-40k km and make sure the procedure to replace is followed correctly and you won't be complaining later on about DAED gaddi.

    Axio itself is a treat to drive, there's no way its drive can be compared to PKDM city or corolla (I've driven both if someone's wondering). Those who have driven the car will know what I am talking about.

    https://www.pakwheels.com/forums/whe...a-corolla-axio
    Axio is a perfect car, so light and effortless with excellent fuel economy, CVTs are introduced because they are light in weight, and demand less maintenance comparatively, Even the oil change duration is more, I myself changed CVT oil in my city vario once at 80,000km and again at 1,60,000 km, car was mostly driven on m2. The car remained in power at any rpm range and was an excellent hill climber BTW, Went to places where even civics said no.
    It is just that the manufacturer is as dumb as the mechanics here because it is not written clearly in any manual how to change CVT oil in a car. How much to add etc. Even my city vario had ATF written on the dip stick while the internet and company says its CVT. The idiots used a dipstick from the ATF transmission. Googled it to know it was an international problem.

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    If CVT is so delicate then y toyota has introduced top of the line Corolla Grande with CVT-i peddle shifter?

    Here in Pakistan stupid road side mechanics use AFT in CVT then say "CVT bakwas hai"

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    When i had a vitz; i had to replace the fly wheel(i dont know if that is what its called) along with the torque converter as both had cracked and subsequently broken into pieces.

    I wonder how did that happen? Wrong oil by previous owner and maybe a very very long change interval?

    CVT in 1.0 litre vitz is a nightmare in my opinion. You never feel any push from the engine. Always feels under powered.

    Rest Vitz is a great car but the transmission kills it in 1.0 litre.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xulfiqar View Post
    vilayatee acha hota hai.

    people think they are getting a great deal on these orphaned cars - they really sting when you suffer a big repair specially on the body.
    So you are saying that its better to go for locally made cars with cheap quality and parts ??????

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArslanNawaz View Post
    Still better than any zero meter suzuki and honda city.
    Try driving a jdm then ill see how you're views get changed


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    Quote Originally Posted by StrikerX View Post
    140C is the upper limit/threshold of the CVT oil? Usually the CVT temp stays near coolant temperature, <100C. Never really looked at the CVT temp after a long drive
    transmission temperature remains a bit lower than coolant temperature as its design also dissipates heat into its casing etc. transmission temperature vs longevity is not linear - its more of a squared situation.

    under extreme temperature the transmission life comes down from 10,000 hours to about 10 hours in a matter of minutes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xulfiqar View Post
    transmission temperature remains a bit lower than coolant temperature as its design also dissipates heat into its casing etc. transmission temperature vs longevity is not linear - its more of a squared situation.

    under extreme temperature the transmission life comes down from 10,000 hours to about 10 hours in a matter of minutes.
    Gotcha, thanks for the explanation.
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