11th Generation Civic Owners/ FanClub Discussion Thread

[fastian04]

I refuse these crossovers anyday na drive na maza na response. Its all personal choices

[wasiqshahab94]

Probably the accessories shops would get those chrome pieces to give more of an accord kind of look which will be great

Honda has an OEM accessory for that in Thailand. Doesn't look that better to be honest.

i think the face needs a complete overhaul, like the Chinese integra.

[pwuser151967054480]

Looks good imo. Chinese integra is definitely better looking though.

[pwuser151967054480]

Just because everyone is buying them doesn't make them any good. Also no one is arguing that crossovers will fall out of favour any time soon, but also I don't think that they'd be able to completely kill off civic and corolla sales.

[fastian04]

Absolutely, not everyone needs an uchii car. Aesthetics and fun also matters

[Deadly_Flame]

Fun? Fact of the matter is that for majority of us Fun is usually traveling fast in a straight line. In Pakistan to exploit the actual advantage of a sedan over a crossover is in the North. And that's what, one or two trips per year for the majority. Furthermore, in order to really feel that advantage in the north, you need to put some effort into the corners, that is some very specific niche of drivers.

So the fun part/advantage you are peddling for sedans doesn't apply to a vast majority of drivers in Pakistan.
It's not just the uchii car that's making the crossovers appealing, it's the features, the quality and the price competitiveness with the sedans.

The features and the quality needs to improve drastically on the sedans now that there is competition. I hope that the new civic will match if not exceed the build quality of the crossovers. Pretty sure they will at least offer competitive features for it to remain viable. All in all the new crossovers have definitely helped the auto market in Pakistan and we should be thankful.

[waqasahmed03]

^^ but at the same time both tucson and sportage are dumb with pathetic oldish interiors.

why dumb:

less or no parkign sensor.
no adaptive cruise control.
no TPMS
no front cameeeeras!!
bad navigation screens.

other issues:

theoretically not much road clearance then corolla.
wheel bases is smaller then both corolla and civic so it means leg space is compromised.
travelling north and fear of hailstorm these days
not stable at 150 on motorways as compared to sedans
fuel milege for daily use

( I wish MG has a badge of KIA or Hyundai )

[Deadly_Flame]

Interiors being oldish is something pretty subjective. I agree, they are but, aesthetics is not just about designs, the quality is equally important. You get that quality in the crossovers and it makes up for the lack of design. I'll just add my opinion here now, if it were me I'd be willing to slightly compromise the design in favor of quality. The amount of trade off one is willing to make between the two is purely personal. Also corolla's interior is pretty meh, civic is another story.

The dumbs you are referring to applies to the sedans as well. As for navigation, Sportage has apple carplay and android auto haven't personally used them extensively. But I am pretty sure they are better than what tracking world offers.

Corolla's road clearance is not bad and if the crossovers offer slightly better clearance then is it not a bonus? I am not sure I agree with the leg space argument. I've sat in all and leg space is better than the sedans. I'd be surprised if it's just placebo.

[darthvader]

As someone who drives every year to the North on my Civic, I can tell you it’s not fun. I don’t know where you got that idea from. You’re constantly on the lookout for bumps that could bottom out the car. That’s also one of the reasons why crossovers are getting popular here.

[fastian04]

Again its all personal preferences. Not everyone travels north twice every year. I personally visit quite often and rented suv gives me peace of mind. One can easily goto hotel and park car. Get any suv on rent and voilaa. I m someone who wont dare taking any crossover to some terrain suitable for suv. Till all hotels and stays, no sedan has any clearance issues. Be it naran or even swat/kalam. A 4x4 remains the ultimate choice going upwards. Why ruin fuel on crossover in city with boring non responsive drive( all existing 2000cc) ones. The turbo crossovers are even shittier

[waqasahmed03]

in fuel on c

these cross overs are NOT SUV material. a corolla with nylon ropes on front wheel is way ahead of HTRAC in snow. clearance is also almost the same. sportage and tucsons have to have a veeeeeeeeery customized type of terrain to proove themselves any better then sedans.

the thing is that crossover are sligthly better in offroad; but the whole calculation is about .5 to 1 million difference in price. the debate is; is it really worth the extra money which comes with a collatoral of bad mileage and less joys on motorways??

[pwuser151967054480]

By that logic Elantra should be much more preferred than Sportage and Tucson as it has the same quality but much better price. Unchi car factor is definitely working a lot in their favour and lucky motors and nishat are taking full advantage, considering that Elantra, Sportage and tuscon internationally are around the same price range.

[waqasahmed03]

^^

precisely. because the only thing sportage has extra from elantra is the moon roof. moon roof should cost under 100k. plus 100 k for height. logically not much difference.specially if the length and wheelbase of sportage is smaller then elantra.

[pwuser151967054480]

Funny thing is current corolla x has a pretty bad ground clearance. I compared directly against civic and it's definitely worse on the corolla due to the ricer body kit. Non X corollas have much better ground clearance. Our company uses either rented non X glis or our company car grande X for northern trips. The X hits the bottom a lot more on those roads.

The extra ground clearance should definitely help the crossovers a lot. Haven't heard bottoming out complaints on them. It's an undeniable advantage, but definitely not worth the extra 1 million rupees.

[Deadly_Flame]

I don’t know where you got that idea from.

Is it your MO to get in everyone's face?

As someone who drives every year to the North on my Civic

I am sad that I am gonna take the bait. Ah well, you should be better equipped than others to throw the car in corners and enjoy it (that is if you are someone who wants to take advantage of a sedan's stability over a crossover). Besides, the fear of an unknown bump is not as great as you make it out to be. If you travel north a lot, you should know the patches where you can push the care and patches where you'd want to be a little more cautious. Sawat-Kalam have good roads bar a few small patches. Murree-Nathiagali also have good road infrastructure to enjoy a sedan if you want. Naran-Kaghan-Gilgit-Hunza, is not bad either, not as good but enough to allow one to enjoy a sedan, if one wishes.

Again its all personal preferences.

Exactly, my point was that the advantage of a sedan over a crossover you are pointing to is not there in most of the cases and where it is, there is a further decline in the number of people who actually enjoy/utilize the said advantage. Just to clarify, I am just making the case as to why the crossovers are so popular and the advantage that a sedan offers is not something that majority of the people who own sedans themselves, exploit. Removing these parameters, makes it very clear why crossovers are a good choice. As for the rest of your comment, I agree with it totally, if and when the quality of sedans matches that of the crossovers here.

I really hope Atlas with 11th gen ups the game and offers competitive quality and features. I would definitely prefer a good quality turbo 11th gen over crossovers any day of the year. I am in love with the interior.

[fastian04]

Time will tell, abhi buhat time hai

[waqasahmed03]

bhi buhat

civic must remain 5 lac less then the front wheel drives if it comes without honda sensing. i am a honda x user. if civic becomes 5 mil without honda sensing, if will go for tucson/sportage. i need a change.

[Deadly_Flame]

It's not just the uchii car that's making the crossovers appealing

Le dot

It's an undeniable advantage, but definitely not worth the extra 1 million rupees.

Yea, but it isn't the only advantage is it?
P.S: The X corolla is just hideous.

[pwuser151967054480]

Yes lol definitely agreed on the corolla x looks. But the crossovers aren't lookers by any means.

The other advantages are the same in Elantra. So you're basically paying 1 million extra just for the ground clearance. And Elantra would have the inherent sedan advantages of better fuel economy, performance and handling. Also I'm assuming cheaper part prices.

[Undeadking0001]

That's just you being extra cautious with your civic X which you have every right on a 4 million car bought by blood and sweat but there is no pothole that a Tucson can take that a Civic cannot
As for the driving dynamics it is def not just corners where no local car can even match a civic idk about Sonata tho Haven't driven it yet but ik no hatchback or CUV does.
Drove a friend's Tucson and well:
1) Pathetic interior quality especially on the doors
2) Squishy brakes
3) Dead acceleration
I was literally 100% on board to getting a Tucson but after testing the AWD and FWD variants i just went with an MG instead. If given the Choice i would still go for a civic than a Tucson