2021 Honda City GM6 Dedicated Discussion, Owner/ Fan Club Thread

[itshamzayo]

Seems like a simple marketing mistake. Bigger companies than atlas have made marketing mistakes, it isn't a big surprise.

[itshamzayo]

Sportage test drives were available a full year before its local availability. Didn't like the car much, especially after driving the grand carnival they also had available, which also in my opinion is a great car that is frequently ignored.

On the other hand I don't think atlas ever gave a test drive on their cars. Still the test drive gave me a lot of respect for the company, and their success is proof of their good business qualities. I mean they literally overtook atlas in terms of cars sold. If that isn't a slap to the face of atlas and their fanbois, idk what is.

[muhammadjazlan11]

How much would be willing to pay if I show it to you within a month of launch?

[emzee92]

Atlas employees would definitely get it sooner so that they can sell it on Premium and earn more!

[fazalwahab11375]

Bhai good for you.. Enjoy your new 6TH GENERATION CITY with 7TH GENERATION interior. I am not interested even if ATLAS sell the 8TH GENERATION.

BTW even you don't know how much you will be paying after a month for a product you booked with a down payment .. even you dont know what it is.. what are features and specifications.. So, before asking me..first ask yourself these questions.

[tahausmani]

Thanks for the info
Best wishes for your new ride when it get delivered
I'll check with Honda on Monday and ask why have I been given end December date for a car that I booked on 18th May.
There's a slim possibility that they will say Aspire 1.5 CVT have longer delivery period.
Will keep posted here

[muhammadjazlan11]

LOL. None of us have seen the car and yet here you are already complaining about it. That was my point. You haven't seen the car, you have no reliable information source for these cars yet you are talking about 'False Advertisement'.

As far as the options are concerned, you don't have to be a genius to figure it out. Expect the price to be exactly the same as Yaris, with a few additional features. Cruise we already know about. 7 inch screen and seat height adjuster. As always, the stock navigation will be crap. We literally know so much about the car now, including the fact that its external dimensions will be identical to Honda Grace. In addition, the engine will be much powerful, the CVT system will be nearly identical to BRV with a tuning profile like the Civic. Honda is not stupid. They have put up a strong competition with a very outdated car. Image what they can do with a newer version.

Even if the price for the top of the line variant is 100k more than the Yaris top variant, the additional features plus the power is enough to make it a no brainer. If my budget is 3.1 million showroom price, GM6 Aspire CVT (or MT if you prefer that) is the best choice. If you want cruise control on your Yaris, you need to pay your dealer around 25-80k more, depending on your variant, which is just stupid.

Drawbacks for this City include the shitty head unit (most probably) and the poor MFD display, which will be at least a step above the BRV which is now an older car. Vendors that manufacture and supply these items have all but confirmed this.

I understand that you have your own personal choices, but this City will still dominate the Pakistani market, as the only real competition it has is the Yaris. It's down to personal choice, yes. This is just my opinion.

Expecting the 7th gen is kind of a problem you see. The machinery etc for that chassis would be very expensive and the plant upgrade cost alone would put that car at 3.5 million, which is senseless. Perhaps if our auto industry was taxed less, that expectation would have been realistic.

[umfa85]

I booked my aspire on 17th May morning. Yesterday recieved Honda message for October delivery

[shapeesh]

Atlas is only an assembler, its ability to play with designs are very very very limited. and that is limited to only taking off things, and not putting anything additional.

Car frame machines, is not a thing, the body parts and chasis parts are made in moulds and than welded together with the help of robotic or manual jiggs.

atlas can only fit an interior which is designed by the parent company, atlas cant ask the "local vendors" to shrink the 7th gen interior or any interior as they wont be able to fit it.

Firstly we have been lied by our manufacturers that platform change is very expensive. it is expensive only for the "manufacturers" who have to design, test, record and build it. for an assembler the expense is mostly just the moulds and maybe the new shape jigs.

For any assembler to change from one platform to another, the cost should be pretty similar, the only advantage is if u delay the lauch and are able to introduce an older model, that way you can get a lot of unused and used parts to assemble ti new model. "the concept that one platform is vastly more expensive than another platform of same class is not really true for an assembler if 2nd hand parts (moulds/dyes) is not an option"

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in this case honda is either ignorant or doing false advertising on top of their bullshit marketing strategy.

[fazalwahab11375]

Where is the complain in my comment ? Please jump off your horse and read my comment. The complain is deceptive MARKETTING and false advertising and on basis of the teasers offically released by Atlas.

Bhai I know you booked a vehcile without even knowing the features and no one need to be a genius . Again this does not support any of Atlas behaviour. You dont need to explain the chassis and platforms. Everyone knows about it and even this thread started with that, the opening post, scroll to the first post and read each and every line of it.

Again GOOD LUCK on your GM6 City with GN1 interior.

[zuhaibafzal]

Salute to those guys, who think Atlas will launch 6th gen city with 7th gen interior. Matlub kuch bhe

[muhammadjazlan11]

Buddy I am saying as far as your information goes, the GM6 could come with a GN1 interior. You don't have any accurate information on the car and are complaining about false advertisement. I am not saying that it will come with GN1 interior. I am saying as far as your 'accurate' information goes, it could be happening. Wait for the car to release and then complain about false advertisement. This way you are only adding to the mass confusion Honda Atlas has started. Either report accurate and complete information, otherwise don't. Simple as that...

[muhammadjazlan11]

for an assembler the expense is mostly just the moulds and maybe the new shape jigs.

For an older generation car that is discontinued in a few countries, the jigs should be available at a very low/discounted cost. It is significantly cheaper than getting newer jigs made for the new generations. My guess would be this: Honda waited for the City to be discontinued globally to save the expenses and spend the money on the 11th gen Civic. It should be coming soon to Pakistan, just like the 10th Gen came shortly after launch.

atlas cant ask the "local vendors" to shrink the 7th gen interior or any interior as they wont be able to fit it.

This was just a small comment on how this forum makes a noise about how no one knows about the features of the car and then argues about the supposed features of the car. Its duplicitous and just adds to confusion. It is not hard to wait a few weeks and then complain about false advertisement. I am with you on that. It is deceptive. Making noise about it weeks before the launch won't accomplish anything. If you have a voice with these people, use it wisely. If you keep doing this, no one will listen. Take action when you have basis for actually filing a case.

"the concept that one platform is vastly more expensive than another platform of same class is not really true for an assembler if 2nd hand parts (moulds/dyes) is not an option"

Like this forum describes, there is difference between the current GM3 and the coming GM6 chassis. It makes sense to delay a car to save on costs. GN1 is significantly more expensive than the GM6.

honda is either ignorant

They are 100% lazy. The picture @fazalwahab11375 showed has convinced me that they have just saved time on their marketing images. I thought they had enough sense to picture the model in production. The test mules seemed to back up the images they posted. Disappointed, kind of similar to what happened with BRV. However, this doesn't take away from the fact that a lack of information is the main problem here. Have some patience and wait for the car to launch. I will complain with you if the car is shit, but ffs, wait for the car to launch man.

[zuhaibafzal]

Dude, this is definitely a false advertisement by Atlas marketing team.

[shapeesh]

GN1

How/why is that significantly expensive than gm6?

[muhammadjazlan11]

𝟗𝐭𝐡: The GN1/7th generation City is on an entire new platform and do need major investment and upgrades to assembly plant while GM6/ 6th generation is not very different from the City currently we have as far as platform , engine and some other components . It's easier , quicker and cheaper to develop the GM6. The new platform is not a Plug-&-Play system into existing assembly line. It does need assembly line infrastructure modification which is not cheap. This is also the reason we dont have a 12th generation Corolla yet, which is on a newer TNGA platform and the existing assembly line at Indus just cant start making 12th gen Corolla until the production line is upgraded to the newer platform. Well, it depends on the Atlas or for that matter Indus if they are ready to make these changes and investments on ground.

Here is the first post of this forum for reference. This is why GN1 would be significantly more expensive. 5th gen city had the chassis code GM3 and 6th gen GM6. 7th gen is GN1. The biggest indicator of the difference is the new lettering series

[muhammadjazlan11]

The picture @fazalwahab11375 showed has convinced me that they have just saved time on their marketing images.

Like I said, I agree. The images Mr Fazal posted were enough to convince me.

[fazalwahab11375]

You booked a car and you yourself have no accurate information what you are getting and you are complaining about my comment. You asked me to wait before I make an opinion but you went with a booking without knowing anything about it . Wow..

5TH AND 6TH generation have same platform..just some minor evolutionary updates..

And I am happy that you now agree that ATLAS was lazy with its marketting and false advertising. Now go up and see all chain of comments.. you started bashing me because I was pointing out the same thing which after multiple hours of back and forth discussion you now agree.

Thanks for accepting the facts.

[fastian04]

I also booked 1.2 cvt and i was clearly told that its 6th gen. Atlas is clearly misleading here. After the launch of civicX, i have lost all faith in atlas in terms of their commitment and quality. I only booked city to get the car in earliest possible delivery. Mid September as per dealership. I booked on tuesday right after monday when bookings opened

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