8th Gen Civic "Viper"

[irfansiddique]

intahaa ho gayee intazar ki aye nah kuch khabir ROCKMARS pixs ki

[airomerix]

Foud bhai how much is this grill costing you? And is your importing importing them in bulk or just one piece for you?

[khurram_aziz]

intahaa ho gayee intazar ki aye nah kuch khabir ROCKMARS pixs ki

ye hame hai yaqi, bevafaa vo nahi
phir vajah kyaa hui, itazaar ki

[fouadbakht]

The guy is expected to visit Thailand, Japan and Dubai. I order one for myself but i'm sure he'll bring along 2-4 pieces. The grille comes along the bumper (as I've seen it). I think it should cost me around 25k or something. They don't quote prices unless they get their hands on the stuff. But he has promised me that the bumper will be in originbal packing with Honda part number for verificatio. Its unpainted. SO lets see. He said it will take about a month or so. I'm not in a hurry as the budget is exhausted right now.

[khurram_aziz]

IMHO, not a bad idea. The uplifted shape is also good (front). What do you think guys?? Need some help here.

Ringed here and there, this new Altis 1.6 is not "Cruisetronic"; its simple "ECT Automatic". No confirmation on Cruise Control; but Tiptronic is removed :-! So there is nothing interested in it; except bigger engine; which is still smaller than Civic..."I am sticking to Civic VTi"

Got two good news; one from Lahore and one from local Atlas dealer. My car is loaded from factory and I will hopefully get it tomorrow or maximum day after tomorrow! And it will have pre 26th April invoice; i-e 16.85. The local dealer sales man informed that they bribed the dispatcher in factory (10k each car he told) and they are getting just 6 cars as their last delivery in April. Lucky me; my car is included. Now plant is closed and new deliveres will be after plant start working again.

He asked that I will have to give them 10k but I refused saying I dont want to be part of any bribery. However I am happy that my 40k are saved and in this happiness I offered him a lunch on Sunday instead!

[fouadbakht]

ye hame hai yaqi, bevafaa vo nahi
phir vajah kyaa hui, itazaar ki

Sir I want you to get the right information, unbaised. I'm still testing the rockmars. My review, with pics is almost ready. Only the video remains. Will do it today insha Allah. Secondly, I called tracking world office in Lahore. They are giving the Honda OEM unit to end user for 78k with warranty. Honda is now asking for 85k. Honda and Rockmars are very close in performance, funcionality and accuracy. I mean it would have been difficult for us to choose had both been available in open market with same price tag.

[fouadbakht]

ringed here and there, this new altis 1.6 is not "cruisetronic"; its simple "ect automatic". No confirmation on cruise control; but tiptronic is removed :-! So there is nothing interested in it; except bigger engine; which is still smaller than civic..."i am sticking to civic vti"

got two good news; one from lahore and one from local atlas dealer. My car is loaded from factory and i will hopefully get it tomorrow or maximum day after tomorrow! And it will have pre 26th april invoice; i-e 16.85. The local dealer sales man informed that they bribed the dispatcher in factory (10k each car he told) and they are getting just 6 cars as their last delivery in april. Lucky me; my car is included. Now plant is closed and new deliveres will be after plant start working again.

He asked that i will have to give them 10k but i refused saying i dont want to be part of any bribery. However i am happy that my 40k are saved and in this happiness i offered him a lunch on sunday instead!

(h) congatulations

[khurram_aziz]

^^ Thank you...Fouad Bh abb rims ka bandobast karein

[fouadbakht]

Foud bhai how much is this grill costing you? And is your importing importing them in bulk or just one piece for you?

BTW the new grille will not fit in the existing model bumpers. You gotta change the bumper too. The new grille and front intake is more Accordish if you look closely with a wider and larger intake.

[fouadbakht]

^^ Thank you...Fouad Bh abb rims ka bandobast karein

Will do Insha Allah. Btw check your inbox

[rohaansaeed]

Great project @fouadbakht !

MashAllah Viper looks really good !

Oh and sir, you got school going kids, please stop smoking (Don't Mind)

[fouadbakht]

Great project @fouadbakht !

MashAllah Viper looks really good !

Oh and sir, you got school going kids, please stop smoking (Don't Mind)

Thanks Rohan, btw, I smoke and mod my Viper without my family noticing.

[fouadbakht]

In The Blue Corner....Honda Sat Nav

In The Red Corner....Rockmars Sat Nav

[fouadbakht]

APPEARANCE/FIRST LOOK
Aesthetically, I liked both. However you can’t get best of both worlds in a single package else customize/design your own and get it manufactured in China.

Honda Sat Nav. The sharp edged enclosure bezel of Honda Unit protrudes out of the main dashboard giving a more visible/noticeable look. Buttons on the Honda unit are laid out at the bottom in a single row with a small hole for the option of resetting the unit. A remote sensor and mic are also visible. An aftermarket iPod lead comes out from the rear through the dashboard and sticks out in the console below. CD/DVD is slot loading but located at the top, slightly unconventional.

Rockmars Sat Nav. The unit without any protrusion is perfectly embedded in the main dashboard giving a noticeable yet subtle look as if the dashboard curve or flow is unhindered yet the screen is inset. Large easy to read buttons are arranged on both sides of the screen which with the dim switch and its words/separations illuminate in bright blue at night complementing the colour scheme of the speedometer and RPM meter cluster. In the front mic, IR receiver, reset switch are present. The CD is conventionally front slot loading to which we are more accustomed to. The slot is illuminated with blue light points at each end as sort of markers for unmistakingly inserting/ejecting CD/DVD at night. There is a front USB and a SD card slot (where the GPS maps are loaded). A black aftermarket USB lead is supplied white can be connected in front.

[fouadbakht]

Build Quality
Honda Sat Nav. Made up of matching dashboard material with excellent colour matching. The panel looks and feels solid. The buttons are firm to the touch, though slightly congested and small as compared to Rockmars. Since OEM therefore no issues of fitment. During driving the driver has to be able to concentrate on the road and buttons simultaneously due to their arrangement and layout/smaller size but still it’s no big deal.

Rockmars Sat Nav. Made up of matching dashboard material with accurate colour matching. The build quality is very solid and material definitely looks scratch resistant. The buttons are firm to the touch, they illuminate brightly and due to their comparatively large size, the driver can fiddle with them without going wrong in a situation when he is looking at the road simultaneously. Its a bolt to bolt/grip to grip fitment so again, like Honda's, no issues.

[fouadbakht]

Graphic User Interface
One important thing to understand is that both units are running Win-CE5 at their cores. This OS from Microsoft is basically designed for mobile devices. There might be one odd function disabled or locked by default from either of the manufacturer but that does not mean that both the units are incapable of running all apps. For more details I think Khurram Aziz is the man.

Honda Sat Nav. Elegant (User Interface) UI. No lags between menus and very responsive. Every option is accessible from the main screen such as USB, DVD, CDC, iPod, TV, Bluetooth, SD card, Radio and GPS Nav etc. However, I noticed that the system doesn’t let you tweak much with technicalities. But in some sub menus, Honda takes the lead.

Rockmars Sat Nav. Again, functionality wise, there’s not much difference though the User Interface is difference. In some places you find the Honda GUI to be more appealing whereas at some points you feel Rockmars GUI ahead. Simple, if not elegant GUI, the menus open up instantly and are very snappy. All options are accessible from the main screen such just like Honda GUI. This unit really lets you play with the technicalities.

[autophile]

Nice comparison/review

[fouadbakht]

Display. Both are 7” and almost identical, TFT LCD with 840 x 400 pixels resolution. Though there is no word from either of the vendor about 16:9 video playback and I didn't have a widescreen movie DVD handy so can't endorse it as such but my experience says they both are capable of 16:9 video playback. Quality of both displays is adequate with Honda's unit producing sharper colours but lacking in brightness department. Rockmars unit was able to take up the brightness and contrast pretty well but some colours washout issue was noticed. Both displays can be termed adequate or decent but not outstanding or good enough to come even close to Sony, Pioneer, obviously. Touch interface performance or sensitivity was equally good on both displays. You really don’t have to finger a point thrice to get to the desired menu. Viewing angles are average with both units but bearable.

Bluetooth. Works well on both units. Pairing is a breeze and rest phonebook options are the same. With Rockmars, I did see an option of Bluetooth call recording which I didn’t find on the Honda unit. Generally while both the same yet the Rockmars menu and Bluetooth capability was impressive.

Audio. Both units suffer from average audio quality for the music lovers. At least I immediately noticed a "slight" degraded audio quality the moment Kenwood box was removed and Rockmars installed and fired up. Above average for me as I am no audiophile. But replacing stock speakers with good ones would sort out the issue considerably.

[fouadbakht]

NAVIGATION

I know this is what most of you guys have been waiting for the most. The wait is over. Honda Sat Nav is powered by Trakking World with two years warranty. Rockmars is with 1 year warranty and powered by Navi Tel and free map updates for one year after that Rs.2000/- per update. I'm not worried much about the updates. In Pakistan, we can't even repair the existing roads properly, let alone constructing new ones. Trakking World is a familiar name as well as Naqsha.Net and Pak Navi. Now I really don't know what the heck is wrong here as so many companies out there are giving each other a run for their profits but frankly none out of them is at par with the detailed maps you get internationally. Luckily, things have progressed to the extent that you can safely navigate in most of the cities. IMHO I did not find any difference in details, functionality, ease of use between both units except for the GUI. I forgot to test the Honda's unit for Day/Night modes, a very important feature (Honda Sat Nav users please let us know) but frankly they both are same in accuracy, details and directions. Some pics for your information include sub menus. There were dozens of sub menus available which I could not photograph.

[khurram_aziz]

sabar ka phal metha hota hey

Very thorough and nice comparison...unfortunately all images are not loading in the cellphone..but reading the text even..i can feel you have not left any thing uncovered

Great review...