Any Problem Regarding Batteries

[yasiraza1185]

Dear sir
The prices you have given are very low , in karachi due to shortage of the stock, the prices are way to high, everyone here is selling way to high then the official retail price of the battery, what do you have to say about this matter? and every retailer is getting different discount from the main dealer, the main dealer or the distributor blackmales the retailer by saying kai the company is not giving the regular discount, if you want the big ups battery you have to buy 5 or 6 small batteries to get one big ups battery , what is this nonsence going on with you company people and the main dealers?

dear sorry to say but u are not up to date, i have given current prices plus the UPS season is almost over and in fact small batteries are now out of stock plus current prices of UPs batteries are normal now for example NS200 batteries was sold on 15000 to 16000 in summer but now u can easily get it at 12500 to 13000.
demand aur supply mein kafi dafa buhat difference hota hai, jiski waja sey dealers charges more, for example company manufacture 100 batteries and market demand is 1000, this was the situation this year. plus we didnt fluctuate the discount during summer season, batteries were supplied to the trade on the same rate as in winter........... Company didnt charge extra money not even a single penny during this season

[dms664]

i work at Exide Batteries As an Asst. Manager Marketing KPK Region, so if any Pak Wheeler Need any kind of help regarding batteries, i m here to help, GOd Bless u all

Sir I have one Exide 200 ups battery
It was purchased in May 2010,it has worked great rather still it is in operation but now its backup time has reduced so can u give me some tips to bring it back to its past glory or do I need to buy a new battery now?
I am located in Peshawar.

[addy80]

dear sorry to say but u are not up to date, i have given current prices plus the UPS season is almost over and in fact small batteries are now out of stock plus current prices of UPs batteries are normal now for example NS200 batteries was sold on 15000 to 16000 in summer but now u can easily get it at 12500 to 13000.
demand aur supply mein kafi dafa buhat difference hota hai, jiski waja sey dealers charges more, for example company manufacture 100 batteries and market demand is 1000, this was the situation this year. plus we didnt fluctuate the discount during summer season, batteries were supplied to the trade on the same rate as in winter........... Company didnt charge extra money not even a single penny during this season

well then its company fault, when the company knows every year that the demand is bigger in ups batteries is more than the smaller one's then the company should make bigger batteries more then the smaller one, so that the dealers and distrubutors can sell the batteries to the retailers at normal rates, i am not out of date, the real thing is you came to this forum is to promote your dealer from which you can also earn some percentage or give more percentage to the dealer so you can achieve the target and you and the dealer can earn easy money, thats what you poeple do and by the way at what trade percentage are your dealers or distributors giving to the retailers? are they giving 3, 5 or 7 % trade discount on batteries?

[yasiraza1185]

Sir I have one Exide 200 ups battery
It was purchased in May 2010,it has worked great rather still it is in operation but now its backup time has reduced so can u give me some tips to bring it back to its past glory or do I need to buy a new battery now?
I am located in Peshawar.

get it checked from a battery dealer it may need charging, if the problem persists u will have to replace it, where do u live at peshawar

[Vaqas1]

Why dont you ask the so called best EXIDE to introduce deep cycle batteries in Pakistan? Why label truck batteries as UPS batteries?

Like all other business and brands in Pakistan these battery manufacturer's are no different. Their main purpose is to earn as much money as possible with battery that can last for at least 6 months. Warranty of 6 Months is a joke and even that is not 100% replacement a company that only trust its product to last for 6 months without trouble how can we expect it to run for years?. I remember phoenix introduced 1 year replacement warranty and at that time their product was very good.

[yasiraza1185]

well then its company fault, when the company knows every year that the demand is bigger in ups batteries is more than the smaller one's then the company should make bigger batteries more then the smaller one, so that the dealers and distrubutors can sell the batteries to the retailers at normal rates, i am not out of date, the real thing is you came to this forum is to promote your dealer from which you can also earn some percentage or give more percentage to the dealer so you can achieve the target and you and the dealer can earn easy money, thats what you poeple do and by the way at what trade percentage are your dealers or distributors giving to the retailers? are they giving 3, 5 or 7 % trade discount on batteries?

but if all the companies in pakistan manufacture 500 batteries and demand is 1500 batteries than nobody can do anything, u need to understand the production constraints, and in fact almost all the lead accumulators have doubled their production, Alhamdulialah i m getting enough from my company so i dont need any percentage from anyone and for ur kind information Exide sells more than 50% batteries in the market and dont need the kinda of tricks u have mentioned above to achieve our targets
trade discount varies from territory to territory and retailers to retailers depending on how much batteries he is selling
and by the way if some one try to correct u dont take it by heart

[yasiraza1185]

Why dont you ask the so called best EXIDE to introduce deep cycle batteries in Pakistan? Why label truck batteries as UPS batteries?

Like all other business and brands in Pakistan these battery manufacturer's are no different. Their main purpose is to earn as much money as possible with battery that can last for at least 6 months. Warranty of 6 Months is a joke and even that is not 100% replacement a company that only trust its product to last for 6 months without trouble how can we expect it to run for years?. I remember phoenix introduced 1 year replacement warranty and at that time their product was very good.

we have industrial cells but currently being used purely for corporate level like in Grid stations and telephone exchange etc and those cells expected life is around 10 years but they are very much costly. in my opinion the UPS segment is a newer one and if i m not wrong it started to rise in 2008,, plus i think the manufactures/ owners are not investing in it bcoz if the electricity problem in pakistan is solved than their invest will be of no use...
before the start of UPS season this year Exide only allowed free replacement for 1 month only, and from march onward 6 months free guarantee was introduced, so dont u think that it means that we have improved our quality, and there are lots of factor involved in performance of a battery especially points like battery Maintenance and its prerequisite which Mr. Zulfiqar and Talha Waleed have explained in very detail and u can see in this threads that people batteries have lost much longer when they did proper maintenance

[addy80]

but if all the companies in pakistan manufacture 500 batteries and demand is 1500 batteries than nobody can do anything, u need to understand the production constraints, and in fact almost all the lead accumulators have doubled their production, Alhamdulialah i m getting enough from my company so i dont need any percentage from anyone and for ur kind information Exide sells more than 50% batteries in the market and dont need the kinda of tricks u have mentioned above to achieve our targets
trade discount varies from territory to territory and retailers to retailers depending on how much batteries he is selling
and by the way if some one try to correct u dont take it by heart

Dear sir
these kind of tricks do come from your sales department and i am very well sure you know it too, you are not accepting thats a different matter, why do you give more trade discount to the retailer who is selling more , why not keep everyone equal? the customer complains about the price kai wahaan sai itnai kee mil rahee hai, aur app price zada bata rahaii hein, i know some battery shop peoples who can't compete with the other bigger shop located near them, well its a silly policy of yours company to give more incentive to the shop which is selling more battery than the others , like the other pakwheel member said Like all other business and brands in Pakistan these battery manufacturer's are no different. Their main purpose is to earn as much money as possible.

[yasiraza1185]

Dear sir
these kind of tricks do come from your sales department and i am very well sure you know it too, you are not accepting thats a different matter, why do you give more trade discount to the retailer who is selling more , why not keep everyone equal? the customer complains about the price kai wahaan sai itnai kee mil rahee hai, aur app price zada bata rahaii hein, i know some battery shop peoples who can't compete with the other bigger shop located near them, well its a silly policy of yours company to give more incentive to the shop which is selling more battery than the others , like the other pakwheel member said Like all other business and brands in Pakistan these battery manufacturer's are no different. Their main purpose is to earn as much money as possible.

wo to her aik business ka purpose hota hai profit kamana, oo bhai if a retailers sells 150 batteries and the other sells 20 why should they be given same discount, and the difference between the discount of a big retailer and a small retailer is not more than 2%, or 2 % ka mutlab hai k 50 sey 60 rupees ka difference, plus a retailer selling 150 batteries per month have invested a million rupees in the business while the other selling 20 batteries only 1 lakh, to solve the issue to which u r pointing out we issue company printed price lists and in most cases we go and visit market to market and fix prices for them and nobody sells batteries less than that so the profit margin of all the retailer is good enogh, Company chahay jitna bhi discount dey agar dealers apas mein competition karen gey to unki profitability utni kam ho gi, and one last thing i m not here to apply any tricks so dont worry about that i m here to help and to learn

[Xulfiqar]

to be very honest ....i didnt, and there is a big reason behind i.e not a single manufacturer in pakistan has done any kinda work on that plus it doesnt seem to be their priority, for example i m in this company for last 5 years and u r the 1st one who has asked me about cca or CA, but from now on for my own knowledge and experience i m working on that and i know with the support of people like u on this forum i will try to improve my technical skills
plus in the current situation i want to help as many people as i can, like i have talked to our distributors in KP region about electrolyte with distilled water and all of them agreed

if what you say is true then the entire business model of battery manufacture in Pakistan is either corrupted, bad or just trying to get away with inferior products. CCA, CA and RC are the universally understood factors of battery rating, just like any motor manufacturer provides you watt rating, any lube manufacturer provides scar test result, TBN rating, flash point, shear strength,,, any cable manufacturer tells you the limiting ampacity of a cable.. They dont just write the model no. and never tell you what it means, How would you like if Atlas Honda sold you a 50cc motorcycle and you assumed it was a 125cc because they would not tell you.

A battery manufacturer is bound to disclose the CCA, CA and RC of SLI (starting, lighting and ignition) batteries - which is all what the Pakistani manufacturers produce. You may slap, CNG, UPS or even write "tight maal" on the battery - it doesnt make it a worthwhile input.

Lets for arguments sake beleive that you dont have any documentation of production or any testing (I wonder how Exide got the ISO standards) how do you guys actually test a battery if its bad. e.g. If I take a brand new Exide Brand suzuki mehran battery and connect it to a boat trolling motor and lug it for 20 minutes, It will completely kill the battery. I carry it to your authorised shop to get a brand new replacement - HOW do you test it and against what sort of data - as you claimed that no manufacturer has bothered with such data.

I may sound rude - but I do know that Exide Pakistan have some sort of "muscle" license to prevent battery imports. I have seen this in person where a person from Exide Pakistan Ltd was arguing of "fektary, mulaazmeen etc etc" and could not answer that they do not produce similar batteries that were being imported by a certain business owner. In short the guy had no idea of any sort of battery chemistry, rating, shape, purpose or use. Later on the customs official got some phone calls, some transfer of money and the goods of the businessman who was importing the Varta and Bosch batteries were put on hold for about a year, storage costs and battery decay caused the guy to never do business in Pakistan - and he literally left the country after a couple of years.

Reason to ask these ratings is that SLI batteries have purpose to start an engine from cold, as soon as they fire they get recharged. They usually die if deep cycled like what a UPS does to a battery. similarly a deep cycle battery is pretty useless in a vehicle.

[Xulfiqar]

It may sound rude - but I always tell everyone I meet to understand the very basic blocks of what business they are in. Its the key to success, This does not mean that if you are in marketing you are not supposed to know technical details about your product - YOU SHOULD - it provides you selling tools that can really help you in filling voids in the market.

[roonjha]

I agree with Xulfiqar. everyone here in pakistan wants to make money no matter how does he make, by any any means hook or crock

[yasiraza1185]

@Zulfiqar: no i really like what u have said above, u are such a nice interpretor of technical details, and that " tight Maal" is under consideration for Up coming car battery season
what i think, untill and unless there is any check from the govt side the same practice will continue
what do u mean by "If I take a brand new Exide Brand suzuki mehran battery and connect it to a boat trolling motor and lug it for 20 minutes, It will completely kill the battery".
as for as i m getting it this process will completely discharge the battery, it can be recovered with re-charging it btw correct me if i am wrong, plus if u bring that battery to any Main Dealer shop 1st of all they check the s. gravity of the electrolyte through hydro meter and in the above case since the battery is completely discharged the specific gravity will be down so in the next step the battery will be put on Charging and once the desired s. gravity (1.250) is achieved then the battery is further checked through battery load tester or wire for any short circuiting or Dis-connection. and if it isnt short circuit and dis-connection, why would any dealer accept ur guarantee claim
once again thanks a lot for sharing your experiences, and knowledge, wish to learn from u so many things about cars, God bless u

[waqasbee4]

Sir, Can I get Imported Exide Inva Tubular Batteries from a dealer in Rawalpindi or Islamabad?

Links:
http://www.exideindustrialbatteries.com/pdf/INVATubuler.pdf
http://www.exideindustrialbatteries.com/pdf/EL%20Tubular.pdf

Heard some dealers in Lahore are importing them from India.
Could not find in Rwp/Isb

[mhmmd_Waqar]

I am having problem while starting my car (Santro exec) at least once in a day. Also there is a lot of white powder I can see around both the terminals. Do I need to change my car battery? Secondly please let me know which brand and how much amp (44, 48 or 50) is best suitable for my 1000cc.

Thanks in advance.

[yasiraza1185]

I am having problem while starting my car (Santro exec) at least once in a day. Also there is a lot of white powder I can see around both the terminals. Do I need to change my car battery? Secondly please let me know which brand and how much amp (44, 48 or 50) is best suitable for my 1000cc.

Thanks in advance.

pour some hot water on both the terminals to remove the sulphasion (white Powder) and it might be one of the cause of ur problem i.e starting problem. check ur battery from battery dealer for any short circuit or dis-connection, btw how old ur battery is...?
Exide and AGS are best brands available at the local market place, Exide Ns50ZL or AGs GL-50 will be suitable for ur vehicle

[atif11]

what is the model no. for 80amp battery (fb , exide , AGS) and price ?
and where can i found authorized dealer in islamabad ?
how can i get discount ?

[Xulfiqar]

@Zulfiqar: no i really like what u have said above, u are such a nice interpretor of technical details, and that " tight Maal" is under consideration for Up coming car battery season
what i think, untill and unless there is any check from the govt side the same practice will continue
what do u mean by "If I take a brand new Exide Brand suzuki mehran battery and connect it to a boat trolling motor and lug it for 20 minutes, It will completely kill the battery".
as for as i m getting it this process will completely discharge the battery, it can be recovered with re-charging it btw correct me if i am wrong, plus if u bring that battery to any Main Dealer shop 1st of all they check the s. gravity of the electrolyte through hydro meter and in the above case since the battery is completely discharged the specific gravity will be down so in the next step the battery will be put on Charging and once the desired s. gravity (1.250) is achieved then the battery is further checked through battery load tester or wire for any short circuiting or Dis-connection. and if it isnt short circuit and dis-connection, why would any dealer accept ur guarantee claim
once again thanks a lot for sharing your experiences, and knowledge, wish to learn from u so many things about cars, God bless u

I believe you are assuming that lead antimony batteries can survive multiple deep discharge, They cannot, If I put it on a boat trolling motor and run it for 30 minutes - it will surely die, because after Ive run the motor, I will then attempt to start the diesel engine with it. When I take it back it will show full discharge and even casing bulge. Nothing can get it back to life.

The process of your dealers and Exide itself checking the batteries are honest very very silly. They do not check the standing voltage, surface charge, load test or anything - they only check the SG with a hydrometer that is not known to be accurate, try it on some bulbs and hand it back to the customer. That is equal to you taking your car to Honda complaining of low power and check light on, The service manager comes out, starts car and says ITS OK ITS STARTING, PLEASE LEAVE.

I dont get why everyone in Pakistan thinks that the government should step into everything, we have democracy not dictatorship. If you as a person from the company is saying this then I am thinking that your firm also wants to cheat customers by selling bad goods because there is no check and balance. Where did the "self respect" go - and where did the "muslims are honest people" notion go? (I wrote this because everyone on PW wants to be a molana sb for some reason)

anyway - please get us the technical specs.

[Xulfiqar]

pour some hot water on both the terminals to remove the sulphasion (white Powder) and it might be one of the cause of ur problem i.e starting problem. check ur battery from battery dealer for any short circuit or dis-connection, btw how old ur battery is...?
Exide and AGS are best brands available at the local market place, Exide Ns50ZL or AGs GL-50 will be suitable for ur vehicle

Please do not do that,

to rid of the white corrossion, take a mug of water and dissolve a tablespoon of baking soda in it, remove the battery terminals and dunk them in the water solution, it will remove all corrossion, use an old toothbrush to scrub them clean. Clean off the battery posts with a wire brush and install the terminals - coat with baking soda mixed petroleum jelly not grease.

[margallar]

and how do we remove terminals?