Automobile Manufacturers & The New Auto policy 2021-2025 - Malpractices

[mohummed.ahmed]

Can we have a copy of the full judgement of FTO, please?

[abdulmajidqureshi]

I will share shortly.. but the point is that your argument stands defeated at FTO.. I was informed by the same office that some miscreants are trying to sabotage the consumer case and that I should exercise restraint while sharing contents of the case with them.. as soon as a few formalities are complete, the decision will be public.. I will have it shared through Pak Wheels certainly. Please wait for the next Pakwheels weekly..

[abdulmajidqureshi]

Yes, shortly.. but rest assure the verdict is good news for consumers..

[abdulmajidqureshi]

Perhaps you need to study the FBR and FTO Acts for refunds.

[crema]

A document with no signatures and stamp bears no value, it will not gain any significance by furnishing it at FTO's desk nor it can be presented as mal practice exercise by complainant. In actual it will be a waste of time and energy

These are my neutral remarks, I dont know about the agenda between two of you gentlemen.

[capsat]

i read "recommendations"

nether a " it is decided "
nor a " now instructed to "

i will keep track of this interesting thread, which from day one is quiet amusing for me.

[abdulmajidqureshi]

[abdulmajidqureshi]

[abdulmajidqureshi]

You may please confirm the same from FTO if there are still doubts.. Thank you for your time and attention.

[Xulfiqar]

Dr Asif Mahmood Jah needs to go to school again, The document reads as if it was written by a kid in secondary school.

And I believe that customers are getting back the excess monies without the FTO intervention.

[abdulmajidqureshi]

For your information customers including us got back half of the Impact in the form of unpaid 2.5 FED. This case is about the remaining 4.5% which suzuki had illegally deposited with FBR and didn't pursue in settling it with consumers forcing them to move the issue to FTO. It's written in simple English because as you can see from the posts above that tax/law people in Pakistan struggle with understanding/construing meaning in English.

[capsat]

Good luck, keep thread updated please.

order compliance & execution has significance, however am interested for & when the refund will take place, that is more important.

[abdulmajidqureshi]

@capsat the crow is white here so don't bother.

[uzeemujeeb]

You may please confirm the same from FTO if there are still doubts.. Thank you for your time and attention.

it is a good news over the surface.

implementation will be tricky like trying to extract a single noddle from a plate full of it.
manufacturers deposit taxes based on number 100% payment receipts, on 3rd and 17th of every month.

segregating payment in batch province wise, against the cnic of customer. single cpr is issued with listing of cnic number of customers'.

over that CPR / listing when delivery of vehicle take place an invoice is generated.

it will be a heartwarming news when you actually receive the reimbursement cheque. With your determination am sure you can get the refund soon.

[abdulmajidqureshi]

The people who grilled me initially have removed their posts when I first talked about this idea. They said in all forms and manners of law that my plea was not justified and my contention was illegal. Then they tried to discredit the process and people when it took some time to process.

Alhumdulillah, now we have judgement of FTO. Next step is 45 days away. Do you think that the institution of FTO established over FBR under law since 20 years will pass an illegal or unimplentable order? That too while most of the people at FTO are seasoned bureaucrats mostly retired from customs and FBR? The mechanism and mode is to our understanding complicated since this is the first instance of this sort. But this doesn't mean that our right no matter how small can be usurped, unless we allow.

Regarding impact on car Registration, we have already considered it and have informed ETO. Rest if they are unable to update the data in light of our proposed solution, we have the office of Federal Ombudsman and several other forums to address our grievances. Slow and steady wins the race.

Fact is that the other side has rhetoric and sarcasm while the law is on our side and we will remove all hurdles one by one. There are sufficient provisions in law for it.

[crema]

Gents let your energies channel to further constructive matters, like 1 gentleman brought a relief by getting the FTO judgment, lets move along with other matters, why further nipping is being done.

If there is some other agenda solve it at related platforms.

[capsat]

Suzuki will take another 2 months... so we have to wait for a long time period.

am in no hurry either.

[abdulmajidqureshi]

Which consumer court decision? I never filed a case with the consumer court. Since tax matters aren't the jurisdiction of the consumer court. Before going for that option, I made a detailed study and so didn't join the petition. Nevertheless, the friend who did was the first to recieve his FED back, while we had to wait another month. Had I known Pak Suzuki Lawyers will run my FED cheque in such a haste for a court which doesn't have jurisdiction over the matter, I would have joined the petition also. It is typical of cheaters/charlatans that they wind up matters in haste which have a potency to land them in jail in courts of law. Yet when confronted outside they try to misinterpret court orders and use them for their own benefit.
Last year the President of Pakistan was similarly pleased to uphold over 98.06% of verdicts of FTO in appeal against FBR. While in 87% cases FBR accepted FTO Judgement as such. This means the effectiveness of FTO verdicts is close to 97%. But you may choose to ignore these statistics. Inshallah, when and if FBR goes in appeal I will share the decision of president of pakistan here also, and will not delete any prior comments either.

[abdulmajidqureshi]

https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/94784-LHC-says-president-cant-overturn-Ombudsmans-verdict

Please take out time to read this after you've wasted time in reading the above.

http://fto.gov.pk/Phighlights

[uzeemujeeb]

to my understanding of this thread,

Pak Suzuki deposited the ST at the applicable rate at time of booking., i.e as per law.
at time of delivery the tax rate was reduced.

it is highly unethical of member @abdulmajidqureshi to accuse a multinational car manufacturer for bungling with end user. There are hundreds of vehicles delivered in the same way under the invoicing process. As an individual you managed to catch the taxing figures and raised the query. It is your right as citizen. However, as an individual creating a topic with such false accusation over a free public forum leads no where. (you can read & see war about honda toyota suzuki all over this forum with zero result and threads disappear after a while)

You as the buyer and end user, demand for excess payment of tax refund is genuine, however again the refund is only possible under court instructions. In this case buyer & end user is same so the refund is applicable.

law came into action and the FBR is 'instructed" to process refund in 45 days time.
Implementation & execution of a court order is most sensitive issue in Pakistan, since 1995., it has become more dysfunctional since 18th amendment.

however to process paper work and corrected invoice issuance, re-registration of vehicle will be more time consuming and would cost almost equivalent or more of refund amount.

I recommend to member @hariskhan1989 to restrain aggressive sarcastic approach while addressing other member(s) please. getting personal & targeting an individual over keyboard and an screen is not decent humanly attitude.