Can an unmarried couple hangout together privately in lahore? This may seem like a stupid question

[Nabs]

so you don't care about other children but your own? what about all those dying of hunger, war and disasters? anyway, lets not go there.

I care, but I am not responsible for their suffering. Their parents are, for bringing them into this existence. You bring a life here, you're responsible for all the tears shed from cradle to the grave.

[Nabs]

Tell me your reasons to marry

You love somone so much that you want to spend the rest of your life with them.

[s55]

I agree partially.

[s55]

and how do you love someone before getting married?

how can you spend life with someone 24/7 without love?

[khurem]

umm I don't think they are in heaven. They don't exist yet simply. Fate has everything written, if indeed it is destiny that you will have children, then they will be born. If it is not, if you keep your firm stance on this throughout your life, then they wont exist anywhere whether heaven hell or earth.

So that sacrifice that you mentioned does not exist. It is just that you are sacrificing your desire to be a father over your fear that they may suffer during life or in afterlife, if you do become a father.

Maybe you are just taking too much responsibility over other's deed. If it is intended that a soul will come on the earth, there is nothing you or anyone can do to stop him from coming. Plus every soul is different, and they will be held responsible for the stuff they do, not their parents.

[ali454]

Souls are in heaven before they are born into this world. Thats what my Qari saheb told me or was he playin?

[zxmco125]

ok at the age after 18 not doing work and thinking that this work is small its not up to my standard after 4-5 years you will suffer without personal funds than you blame your parents?

Parents take care of child's its no matter what age they are. Also its not your mistake if you born poor but if you die poor its your own mistake.

When you have this much faith in ALLAH that you will have kids there in heaven. Than you should also have to believe this rizq sbka likha hua... kisi ka zyda or kisi ka kam..

Also i say "No human can copy anyone. If you want to act like your someone than you can't be ditto copy you might be end up little higher or little lower. Exact level can't reachable by human. We all are different with different thinking. We human have uniqueness"

[khurem]

Yeah, seems so. The judgment day will decide where they go.

Btw out of curiosity if you get to meet that Qari Sahab again ask him whether unborn kids of an atheist who is ridiculing the concept of God or a Jew/Hindu are also in heaven (until they are born)?

[Nabs]

If fate has everthing written, then there is no free will. By that logic you can't blame people who do evil. Their fate is already written, they are helpless in doing evil.

[khurem]

People normally confuse destiny with free will. Presence of one does not mean absence of the other.

Free will concept is the main essence on which Islam is based. People will be judged based on their choices, and the use of the free will. No one is helpless as anyone can change their course of life.

P.S. I think I mentioned in my previous post as well that your kids wont exist if you keep your resolve of not having them and also mentioned that every person is responsible for his/her actions. So no denying free will there.

[Nabs]

If they don't exist, then they are still better off not existing than being forced into this life with hardships. No life, no pain.

[s55]

nab bhai honestly aap ko seene se lagakar rone ka dil chah raha hai.. I feel you bro

[user-xxx]

Numerous people especially muslims are massacred every day which is a suffering upon them so are you saying that muslims or humans should stop breeding to end the sufferings !

[s55]

Numerous people especially muslims are massacred every day which is a suffering upon them so are you saying that muslims or humans should stop breeding to end the sufferings !

You see all the war-torn countries and you see young kids as young as infants are being killed but question is those countries are at war for a few years and they are still producing kids? why not just wait for the war to be over and then plan kids? why have them come into the world, die and cry over their death?

[ashbal]

Ye kdr sy kdr pohnch gya hai topic?

[user-xxx]

21 topon ki salami to you thinking

[user-xxx]

22

[user-xxx]

23 to your head

[zia1288]

@MODS @fazalwahab11375 i guess the main post has been replied. Further unnecessary discussion is not required any more. Kindly sweep the thread.

[ivtec3]

Numerous people especially muslims are massacred every day which is a suffering upon them so are you saying that muslims or humans should stop breeding to end the sufferings !

You see all the war-torn countries and you see young kids as young as infants are being killed but question is those countries are at war for a few years and they are still producing kids? why not just wait for the war to be over and then plan kids? why have them come into the world, die and cry over their death?

Baat toh gehri ki hay aap ne