Can I drive to Naran in December?

[FaatehRehman]

What do you exactly mean by Do not stress clutch or brake?

By that i meant that three cars went to Murree from Rawalpindi, all manual. One Baleno and two Cuores. Two cars got their clutch burned. You know that smoky burnt smell? All because they were using clutch all along the hill climb. You should use as little as possible without endangering anyone. Half-clutch is the main culprit on hills. When I had a manual I always felt pride in my proper use of clutch and in 8 years of ownership of that car I never had to change its clutch or pressure plate. And I learnt to drive on that car (Cuore).

Anyhow, not stressing brakes means that do not use brake to control your speed unless it is the last resort. Brake is for stopping the car not modulating your speed unless the situation calls for it. Specially going down hill, use your gear to lower your speed. Engine might get loud but your brakes do not over heat that way.

Don't over stress though and try to enjoy the trip.

[FaatehRehman]

Really? Murree is in hills while Naran is in Lower Himalayas, which are quite higher then Murree...

The gradient of the slope and odd sharp turn change the equation. And BTW Murree is just 200 meters lower than Naran. And if you want to challenge your skills then just drive to Highland Meadows (near Islamabad, 4 km from Pir Sohawa I think) .

[axiss.rayil]

Thank you a lot, that was quite detailed reply and very helpful, you mentioned Kalam at a point, by which i think you meant Kaghan. Also in terms of gears, which gear i should be driving at? and how much warmer clothes should we be carrying?

I will suggest to drive a bit through hilly roads for a short trip to have an experience first.
The best place is from Islamabad to Daman-e-Koh or till Pir Sohawa.
If you can travel this 20-30 min drive safely, then you are good to travel till Naran in Mid-December.
Road condition is OK or lets say good. Because now its time for snow at mountains, so there will be no waterfalls you can enjoy on the way.
When you travel from Mansehra to Balakot, 50~60 is the max. speed which can be attained for a few seconds. Mostly you have to drive at 40km/h speed only.
After reaching Kalam, take a break for a while and ask to local people (specially to the drivers) the road condition till Naran. I guess it will be open in Mid-December for sure even if there is light snow.
First drive till Naran. For driving through neelum valley, 4x4 is should be first choice.

[axiss.rayil]

You describe and plan very good, Reading that i felt like actually enjoying those things. About cheaper markets in Peshawar, i don't know the place you mentioned but recently people suggest to go to Shah Alam market in Lahore instead of legendary Barah Markat of Peshawar.

3 days visit suggestion.

Visit Islamabad via M2.

Day 1
Places to go: Daman-e-Koh & Pir Sohawa, Shakar Parian, Faisal Mosque, Blue Area, Shrine Bari Imam. Don?t forget to enjoy delicious dinner of Usmania in Blue Area.

Day 2
Leave early in morning and go to Murree via Motorway. Its super safe & perfect road. Spend day in Murree and come back to Islamabad at evening and enjoy the dinner at Food Street.

Day 3
Leave for Peshawar. Visit University road, Kisa Khawani Bazaar, Karkhano Market. Just a couple of KMs from Karkhano market there is a place where you could see ?Khyber Pass bridge?. Its copy of original and its near at the corner where the road starts for Warsak Dam. Here are the co-ordinates 34.001865, 71.376333. At this place there is little bazaar on the left from where you can enjoy very cheap shopping. Specially Bedsheets, Curtins, Covers, etc. Strange thing is that they accept PK Currency and Afghan Currency both. Lol.

Enjoy a long drive from Peshawar to Lahore via M1 & M2, and take rest.

[axiss.rayil]

That is a brilliant piece of advice. Many others suggested me those when I started driving last year and since I had it in start so I use clutch very little in my routine. Mostly to the main purpose of switching gear.

By that i meant that three cars went to Murree from Rawalpindi, all manual. One Baleno and two Cuores. Two cars got their clutch burned. You know that smoky burnt smell? All because they were using clutch all along the hill climb. You should use as little as possible without endangering anyone. Half-clutch is the main culprit on hills. When I had a manual I always felt pride in my proper use of clutch and in 8 years of ownership of that car I never had to change its clutch or pressure plate. And I learnt to drive on that car (Cuore).

Anyhow, not stressing brakes means that do not use brake to control your speed unless it is the last resort. Brake is for stopping the car not modulating your speed unless the situation calls for it. Specially going down hill, use your gear to lower your speed. Engine might get loud but your brakes do not over heat that way.

Don't over stress though and try to enjoy the trip.

[axiss.rayil]

On the other hand, what is the point of visiting Naran, if not going to Frozen Saif UL Malook. Could that be accessible through Jeep?

if it snows ur best option is to take a 4x4 from kaghan.. i think its just 30 kms from naran ot kaghan.... u cannot drive in ur car....

[tintin1]

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[nasirjavaid]

AOA,

I have a Cultus 2015 model which I had been driving since 1.5 years and it's also total time period since i am driving. I mostly drive within Lahore and once or Twice in a month i travel out of lahore either on Motor Way or G.T. Road. I have drove up to Gujrat and attained 120 km/hour speed maximum.

My question is that, can I drive to Naran in mid december, given the condition that I never drove on slop or mountainous areas. Only slope experience I have is of basements of buildings in Lahore. My vehicle is in good condition but I just need to know if It's alright to drive there .

Also I would like to know which one is safer and easier to drive to Naran or Keran (Neelam Valley).

Regards

No problem driving for the first time there. I drove my cultus 2007 to murree after couple of months I learned driving and believe me it was an amazing experience driving in fog on those roads. I enjoyed driving more than stay there.

Last year I drove to Naran with family and felt no issue being travelling for the first time. I won't suggest going there in June as we went in july and even we didn't needed to use sweaters as it was sunny and hot in direct sunlight while rooms were cold and night was cold too. So december is best choice as you will see snowfall but at the same time driving will be a bit harder due to snow.

[asifcae]

On the other hand, what is the point of visiting Naran, if not going to Frozen Saif UL Malook. Could that be accessible through Jeep?

not by jeep bro.... mayb if jeeps are going til naran hey can move ahead a few kms towards Lake but then ull have to make it on foot

[axiss.rayil]

Cotton Satin sheet for 350? that is insane... how about the quality of the fabric? Those are awesome... what about pure satin sheet? how much that cost from that market? and how come things are so cheap there?

about shah-alam, i guess a big part of Punjab's cosmetic retailers buy products from there and if they are so much harmful to human being then we are in serious waters. I do buy some items from there and the same are available at good stores like Victoria (model town) and Al-Fateh (Gulberg). and it has been a decade to i can vouch about quality of those products. Mostly body wash and body sprays.

[axiss.rayil]

Yeah that is bit challenging, I wanna see snow but it would also make it difficult.

Any set of advice for driving on snow covered or wet roads?

No problem driving for the first time there. I drove my cultus 2007 to murree after couple of months I learned driving and believe me it was an amazing experience driving in fog on those roads. I enjoyed driving more than stay there.

Last year I drove to Naran with family and felt no issue being travelling for the first time. I won't suggest going there in June as we went in july and even we didn't needed to use sweaters as it was sunny and hot in direct sunlight while rooms were cold and night was cold too. So december is best choice as you will see snowfall but at the same time driving will be a bit harder due to snow.

[axiss.rayil]

Thank you a lot.

Yes i meant "Kaghan". thanks for correction.
Car gears persistently need to change while driving those areas. 1st, 2nd & 3rd max.
my car is auto and it shifts automatically and hence saves lot of time for me to enjoy. lol.

[axiss.rayil]

I have one technical question, sometime when you are driving on slope... and there is traffic jam, what should you do there? Because when you pause and pull the hand break up and then there is a little movement and you want to go a little forward, should you race a lot and then release the hand break? or is there any other way?

Usually the car behind you is only a few inches apart and a slight backward slip would damage both cars. and it's slope which is another major issue.

Yes i meant "Kaghan". thanks for correction.
Car gears persistently need to change while driving those areas. 1st, 2nd & 3rd max.
my car is auto and it shifts automatically and hence saves lot of time for me to enjoy. lol.

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[alizai1127]

Definitely you'll push throttle as per requirement before releasing hand break so that car might not Jerk back even a single inch and definitely do use clutch with full control

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